Is there really a deep state?

[Broken Fence]

Please no flaming. Please breath before you post. Can we have a loving conversation?

I am really considering not voting. First time in 20 years. I wonder how many other Americans feel this way?

Is there really a deep state? Do we really have all the facts? This is confusing?

"We are now in a full-blown national security crisis," Brennan said.


'The deep state is 100% true': Trump is launching an all-out assault on the US intelligence community

 

[timothyu]

Sounds like the deep state accusing the right of being the deep state. Who are the billionaires and who controls the media? Who is pointing the finger elsewhere while the US is being destabilized from within, not only by who but who is funding the movement?

 

[Broken Fence]

Sounds like the deep state accusing the right of being the deep state. Who are the billionaires and who controls the media?

That is a really good question. I am so confused. Right says this, left says that. I really don't know what to think anymore. I wonder how many Americans feel the way I do? For the first time in 20 years I am considering not voting at all.

 

[timothyu]

Both sides take money from the same sources and both sides are used by those same sources for agendas that are outside the realm of the nation. It doesn't really matter who you vote for. As the last few months and especially as the last month shows, what has occurred is beyond the scope of traditional politics, Globalization has overtaken nationalism. Those who control the purse strings control the world, not just a country. These faux grassroots movements are funded by big money. The right/ left paradigm which voters follow is but a front, a distraction to give people the impression they actually have control. Throughout history people are there to be manipulated, not to partake in matters of the elite.

 

[Broken Fence]

Both sides take money from the same sources and both sides are used by those same sources for agendas that are outside the realm of the nation. It doesn't really matter who you vote for. As the last few months and especially as the last month shows, what has occurred is beyond the scope of traditional politics, These faux grassroots movements are funded by big money. The right/ left paradigm which voters follow is but a front. Throughout history people are there to be manipulated, not partake in matters of the elite.

That is really informative. Thank you for replying. I never really thought that could be both sides working towards the middle. Where does that leave Americans?

 

[revybub]

I believe there is. And there are members in it from both main parties.

 

[Broken Fence]

I believe there is. And there are members in it from both main parties.

That is so crazy. What are normal people to do then?

 

[timothyu]

Where does that leave Americans?

The same place as everyone else. Borders are made for the people. The Deep State formerly known as the establishment, knows no borders and neither do their financially transactions. They see themselves as a world government over nations where nations as a result of the new order have become akin to what states or provinces used to be in comparison to their federal counterparts.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Please no flaming. Please breath before you post. Can we have a loving conversation?

I am really considering not voting. First time in 20 years. I wonder how many other Americans feel this way?

Is there really a deep state? Do we really have all the facts? This is confusing?

"We are now in a full-blown national security crisis," Brennan said


'The deep state is 100% true': Trump is launching an all-out assault on the US intelligence community

I would suggest that it's kind of naive to think that a nation can rise to such international prominence like America has (A) without help and (B) without a core component of the government dedicated to ensuring their own continued existence.

Sounds like the deep state accusing the right of being the deep state. Who are the billionaires and who controls the media? Who is pointing the finger elsewhere while the US is being destabilized from within, not only by who but who is funding the movement?

Not sure if these are sincere questions or rhetorical ones. But sadly, they probably can't be answered on this forum. The information is certainly available to be found. But the problem (as you may know) is that the answers all lead to rather inconvenient places no matter which side of the aisle you're on.

I will say tho that this isn't specifically an ideological issue. I don't think it's a question of one side of the aisle being The Good Guys and the other side of the aisle are The Bad Guys.

 

[timothyu]

That is so crazy. What are normal people to do then?

Either prepare for global oppression as never seen before or try to stop it now before it is too late. The Bible already has the spoiler so be alerted. You may have noticed freedom of speech has been bypassed by those who cry bigotry or false news. You may have noticed the dismantling of the rule of law. You may have noticed people willingly giving up their hard fought for freedoms over fear and false promises.

 

[Blade]

Deep sate yeah. Been there before I was born. Now I can't speak for who does takes what. It would be nothing more then speculation. And speculation.. be silly to think ALL do it. They don't. I know one congress man that never did. And loved Jesus! And looked passed everything the left said about Trump.. duh he saw it all. But Trump stood for something we have not seen in so many years.

To just stand up for all those babies that get killed. He does. On and on. To not vote..we would have already voted. So.. who was the late president that allowed preachers in to pray for him? Trump has let that happen so many times. Just listened to one that was there. Saying.. "what no one shares is when we were praying for him.. he was crying". HAHA Trump is what Trump is. Look what GOD uses!

Its simple.. as the Father.. He will give you a peace. Ask from your heart. At the start when one became president they would go pray. yeah.. things have really changed. WE DONT GIVE UP OR IN! If we don't vote.. who wins? We vote.. we stand together and pray for them!

Its going to get allot better. REV will happen. But this world will see GOD LOVES THEM! And the greatest harvest is coming

 

[Broken Fence]

The same place as everyone else. Borders are made for the people. The Deep State formerly known as the establishment, knows no borders and neither do their financially transactions. They see themselves as a world government over nations where nations as a result of the new order have become akin to what states or provinces used to be in comparison to their federal counterparts.

True I don't think I have ever seen an incumbent attacked by his own party and administration as much as now.

 

[timothyu]

I don't think it's a question of one side of the aisle being The Good Guys and the other side of the aisle are The Bad Guys.

Exactly. Pawns never are.

 

[Tom 1]

Please no flaming. Please breath before you post. Can we have a loving conversation?

I am really considering not voting. First time in 20 years. I wonder how many other Americans feel this way?

Is there really a deep state? Do we really have all the facts? This is confusing?

"We are now in a full-blown national security crisis," Brennan said.


'The deep state is 100% true': Trump is launching an all-out assault on the US intelligence community

What would be the difference between the normal, functioning apparatus of the state in any country, as in this article, and what people call ‘the deep state’?

 

[Broken Fence]

I would suggest that it's kind of naive to think that a nation can rise to such international prominence like America has (A) without help and (B) without a core component of the government dedicated to ensuring their own continued existence.

Not sure if these are sincere questions or rhetorical ones. But sadly, they probably can't be answered on this forum. The information is certainly available to be found. But the problem (as you may know) is that the answers all lead to rather inconvenient places no matter which side of the aisle you're on.

I will say tho that this isn't specifically an ideological issue. I don't think it's a question of one side of the aisle being The Good Guys and the other side of the aisle are The Bad Guys.

Thank you for replying. I see your point. There has to be some common ground somewhere. How do we the people with our government move forward?

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Of course there's a deep a state. Political decisions are not made entirely by elected officials or people appointed by them. The bulk of government positions are composed of career bureaucrats who, while elected leaders come and go, pursue their own political policies independent of which party controls the government. This is what we call "the deep state".

 

[timothyu]

What would be the difference between the normal, functioning apparatus of the state in any country, as in this article, and what people call ‘the deep state’?

Remember when first the Soviets with their military might, then America went to Afghanistan and made no headway fighting those with antiquated weapons and rocks? People need to stop thinking of government in the old ways in the same way they needed to stop thinking military might was fancy weaponry.

 

[Broken Fence]

Deep sate yeah. Been there before I was born. Now I can't speak for who does takes what. It would be nothing more then speculation. And speculation.. be silly to think ALL do it. They don't. I know one congress man that never did. And loved Jesus! And looked passed everything the left said about Trump.. duh he saw it all. But Trump stood for something we have not seen in so many years.

To just stand up for all those babies that get killed. He does. On and on. To not vote..we would have already voted. So.. who was the late president that allowed preachers in to pray for him? Trump has let that happen so many times. Just listened to one that was there. Saying.. "what no one shares is when we were praying for him.. he was crying". HAHA Trump is what Trump is. Look what GOD uses!

Its simple.. as the Father.. He will give you a peace. Ask from your heart. At the start when one became president they would go pray. yeah.. things have really changed. WE DONT GIVE UP OR IN! If we don't vote.. who wins? We vote.. we stand together and pray for them!

Its going to get allot better. REV will happen. But this world will see GOD LOVES THEM! And the greatest harvest is coming

Very positive and comforting. Thank you for replying.

 

[Broken Fence]

Either prepare for global oppression as never seen before or try to stop it now before it is too late. The Bible already has the spoiler so be alerted. You may have noticed freedom of speech has been bypassed by those who cry bigotry or false news. You may have noticed the dismantling of the rule of law. You may have noticed people willingly giving up their hard fought for freedoms over fear and false promises.

Yes I have, which is why I am at loss.

 

[Broken Fence]

What would be the difference between the normal, functioning apparatus of the state in any country, as in this article, and what people call ‘the deep state’?

That is a good question. Have we always had a deep State in politics? And I just never realized.

 

[Tom 1]

Remember when first the Soviets with their military mite, then America went to Afghanistan and made no headway fighting those with antiquated weapons and rocks? People need to stop thinking of government in the old ways in the same way they needed to stop thinking military might was fancy weaponry.

Can you explain what you mean?