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exodus19 said:why do you think that babylon has seven heads, which heads can they be.
notice the address to the 7 churches in rev 2 & 3
You have actually answered your own question without realizing it.......
Seven heads of the beast represent all those which have received the Mark of the beast i.e the false church.
Mark.
exodus19 said:why do you think that babylon has seven heads, which heads can they be.
ross3421 said:Seven heads of the beast represent all those which have received the Mark of the beast i.e the false church.
Read Revelation 17 and 18. This is not talking about a false religion.
ross3421 said:Do you understand?
ross3421 said:There will be no religion on the earth at this time, but the worship of a king whom all those on earth believe is Christ.
Babylon is the kingdom of Satan on earth, a counterfeit kingdom. The 7 heads represent those inhabinants a false church the 10 horns represent 10 of the 12 tribes of Israel.
Do you understand?
Mark.
Interesting thread. Thought I would bump it up as that 1000yr period has caused a lot of confusing in Christianity [the jews and muslims don't believe that book is inspired, so no debating with them on it]. Anymore thoughts?ross3421 said:Does Christ come to set up a temporal kingdom? Apart from all the scriptures which state otherwise whereby Christ states his kingdom is ETERNAL . Study the following....
Heaven and earth destroyed upon Christ's return
2pe 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
This destruction is immediate and thus the replacement must be immediate thus no earth nor heaven would exsist during a supposed 1000 year. In addition, if you agree that there is a new heaven and new earth for the 1000 years then you are saying that destruction to the old earth and heaven happens twice or that it happens a 1000 years later but scripture does not back this.
Mt 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Satan destroyed upon Christ's return
2th 2:8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:2th 2:9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
We see both Satan (the Wicked) and his son of perdition both destroyed upon Christ's return so how can this happen 1000 years later.?
Death is destroyed upon the return of Christ.
1co 15:23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.1co 15:24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.1co 15:25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.1co 15:26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Christ currently reigns on the right hand and upon his returns he will destroy death itself hence there will nor can there be death any longer during a so-called 1000 years.
The resurrection of both believer and the ungodly occur on the same day.
Joh 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 12:48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Re 11:18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Again the resurrection of all occurs with in the same time frame and not 1000 years apart. A futher study also shows that all appear at the Great White Throne, the believers (small and great) and those dead which come up from the sea.
Study the events in chapter 20 closely and you should notice a inkling that these events have happened previously.
Satan is cast into and ascends out from the pit prior to the 1000 years
Rev 12:9,12 - and that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast into the earth. (v.12) ..woe unto the inhibitors of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 17:8,10 - the beast which thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition ..and when he cometh, he must continue for a short space.
Rev 11:7 - and when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit ..
Satan is loosed for a little season prior to the 1000 years
Rev 6:11 - and white robes were given unto everyone of them, that they should rest for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that they should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Rev 12:12 - ..for the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 17:10 - ..and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Also, this would mean that the 1000 year reign would actually be 1000 plus as Satan is loosened after a 1000 years? Ops! How long is this "little season" supposed to be after the 1000 years ?
Gog and Ma-Gog gathered to battle prior to the 1000 years
Ezek 38:16-22 - and thou shall come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land: it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, o Gog, before their eyes ..(v.18) and it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, that my fury shall come up in my face ..(v.20) ..and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. (v.22) ..and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
Furthermore, there can be no battle during a supposed 1000 years.....
Mic 4:3And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Went up on the breadth of the earth prior to the 1000 years
If one ponders this phrase and they went up on the breadth of the earth, one understands that something or someone must come from beneath the earth! But how can this be? Here underlies a great mystery, Satan's main weapon of attack; to indwell mankind with demonic spirits for his will. This same tactic was used prior to the flood, and we know what God did to the earth after that; he destroyed it! Lets look into detail of this demonic assault prior to Christ appearing.
Rev 9:2 - and he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Here we see the bottomless pit opened allowing them to come up on the breadth of the earth.
Rev 9:3 - and there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as scorpions of the earth have power.
First thing to understand is that locusts (the species) comes from beneath the earth when they come into being. Second, these are no ordinary locusts, they have power like scorpions and in Luke 10:17-20 we read;
and the seventy returned again with joy, saying even the devils are subject unto us though thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you ..
These locusts are demonic spirits; devils!
Rev 16:13,14 -and I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and to the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God almighty.
Fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them prior to the 1000 years
This in Rev 20:9 is none other than his return, the second coming of Christ!!!
Revelation chapter 20 is rehash of prior events. These events will not happen twice.
1000 years is being used as a metaphor as should not be taken literal
Christ will come and set up an everlasting not temporal kingdom.
In Christ, Mark.
ross3421 said:1000 years is being used as a metaphor as should not be taken literal
ross3421 said:Study the events in chapter 20 closely and you should notice a inkling that these events have happened previously.
ross3421 said:these events have happened previously.
Well bro, the time line for Daniel 11 and 12 and the 70 weeks is looong past, so something is not "Jiving" with Scriptures, wouldn't you say? Help me out on Daniel 11 over here pweeese. I do hate contradictions in the Bible, so I like to clear them up so I can tell the Atheists and Muslims that the WHOLE Bible is the True Word of God. Thanks.DeaconDean said:So I guess when the Lord revealed to Jeremiah that Israel would go captive into Babylon for seventy years and then at the end of those seventy years He would punish Babylon (Jer. 25;11-12) that also is just a metaphor, and God doesn't give timelines as the real thing only to be taken as metaphors?
,
Dan 10:14 "Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision [refers] to [many] days yet [to come."]
Daniel 9:24 70 7's, he is decreeing [#2852] on your people and on a city of a holy of you, to shut up[#03607] the transgression[#06588] and finish[#08552] sealing[#02856] up sin["02403] and to atone/cover[#03722] over iniquity[#05771] and come into/enter[#0395] in righteousness[#06664] of eons[#05769] and to seal up[#02856] vision[#02377] and prophet[#05030] and to annoint[#04886] holy[#06944] holy ones[#06944] .
PP's feel a lot of it is past, historicists feel it is happening over time, some futurists feel it is ALL future. Too confusing for me bro. Reve lation shows 2 "endtimes", the Bible only shows ONE.Just The Facts said:Hi Little
lets cut to the chase.
Did Rev 19:11 get fulfilled in the first century.
interpreter said:I agree that the Day of the Lord is a thousand years long. (See II Peter 3:8). It includes a glorious 1000-year reign of Jesus and the Church, followed by a destruction of the Earth by fire from heaven.
I would like to point out a few other 1000-year reigns. First, the kingdom of Israel lasted approximately 1000 years (until the destruction of the Temple in 70AD).
Second, the first Christian kingdom, the Byzantine empire, lasted well over 1000 years. In the historist view, St. Constantine and his sucessors are the 1st horseman of the Revelation. (Constantine rode a white horse and conquered with a bow). It is also worth noting that the square miles encompassed by the New Jerusalem is the same as the area ruled by Constantine and the first Christian empire.
Third, the 2nd Christian kingdom, the Holy Roman Empire, also lasted over 1000 years, from 800 to 1806. That supports the view that Chrarlemagne and his sucessors are the 2nd horseman. (Charlemagne rode a red horse and conquered with a "great sword"ie, lance).
Any thoughts on the 3 thousand-year reigns so far?
Barry
Tell that to the jews who were in it and may be in it again.A Brother In Christ said:yet there is scripture in the OT that states that the dead sea is healed while Israel is in the kingdom..ezek 47:1-10
but what ever
let alone that Matt 24:21 that states that the effect of the great tribulation will never again happen yet almost 2 thousanded years from Christ death 50 million plus people died during WWII ...so 70 AD destruction of the Jersalam ...do not cut the cake
LittleLambofJesus said:Tell that to the jews who were in it and may be in it again.
yet there is scripture in the OT that states that the dead sea is healed while Israel is in the kingdom..ezek 47:1-10........but what ever
let alone that Matt 24:21 that states that the effect of the great tribulation will never again happen yet almost 2 thousanded years from Christ death 50 million plus people died during WWII ...so 70 AD destruction of the Jersalam ...do not cut the cake
Tell that to the jews who were in it and may be in it again.
It willA Brother In Christ said:yet 3 million vs 50 million in a tribulation
yet the dead sea is not healed...
we are not there Yet the GREAT TRIBULATION will be much worst
I would disaggree with most of your interpritations of these scriptures and your final assesment i will respond with more detail later there is a vast amount of scripture describing the 1000 year reign in both the old testiment and the new but i will need to compil this info for you.ross3421 said:Does Christ come to set up a temporal kingdom? Apart from all the scriptures which state otherwise whereby Christ states his kingdom is ETERNAL . Study the following....
Heaven and earth destroyed upon Christ's return
2pe 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
This destruction is immediate and thus the replacement must be immediate thus no earth nor heaven would exsist during a supposed 1000 year. In addition, if you agree that there is a new heaven and new earth for the 1000 years then you are saying that destruction to the old earth and heaven happens twice or that it happens a 1000 years later but scripture does not back this.
Mt 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Satan destroyed upon Christ's return
2th 2:8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:2th 2:9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
We see both Satan (the Wicked) and his son of perdition both destroyed upon Christ's return so how can this happen 1000 years later.?
Death is destroyed upon the return of Christ.
1co 15:23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.1co 15:24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.1co 15:25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.1co 15:26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Christ currently reigns on the right hand and upon his returns he will destroy death itself hence there will nor can there be death any longer during a so-called 1000 years.
The resurrection of both believer and the ungodly occur on the same day.
Joh 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 12:48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Re 11:18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Again the resurrection of all occurs with in the same time frame and not 1000 years apart. A futher study also shows that all appear at the Great White Throne, the believers (small and great) and those dead which come up from the sea.
Study the events in chapter 20 closely and you should notice a inkling that these events have happened previously.
Satan is cast into and ascends out from the pit prior to the 1000 years
Rev 12:9,12 - and that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast into the earth. (v.12) ..woe unto the inhibitors of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 17:8,10 - the beast which thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition ..and when he cometh, he must continue for a short space.
Rev 11:7 - and when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit ..
Satan is loosed for a little season prior to the 1000 years
Rev 6:11 - and white robes were given unto everyone of them, that they should rest for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that they should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Rev 12:12 - ..for the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 17:10 - ..and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Also, this would mean that the 1000 year reign would actually be 1000 plus as Satan is loosened after a 1000 years? Ops! How long is this "little season" supposed to be after the 1000 years ?
Gog and Ma-Gog gathered to battle prior to the 1000 years
Ezek 38:16-22 - and thou shall come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land: it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, o Gog, before their eyes ..(v.18) and it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, that my fury shall come up in my face ..(v.20) ..and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. (v.22) ..and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
Furthermore, there can be no battle during a supposed 1000 years.....
Mic 4:3And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Went up on the breadth of the earth prior to the 1000 years
If one ponders this phrase and they went up on the breadth of the earth, one understands that something or someone must come from beneath the earth! But how can this be? Here underlies a great mystery, Satan's main weapon of attack; to indwell mankind with demonic spirits for his will. This same tactic was used prior to the flood, and we know what God did to the earth after that; he destroyed it! Lets look into detail of this demonic assault prior to Christ appearing.
Rev 9:2 - and he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Here we see the bottomless pit opened allowing them to come up on the breadth of the earth.
Rev 9:3 - and there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as scorpions of the earth have power.
First thing to understand is that locusts (the species) comes from beneath the earth when they come into being. Second, these are no ordinary locusts, they have power like scorpions and in Luke 10:17-20 we read;
and the seventy returned again with joy, saying even the devils are subject unto us though thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you ..
These locusts are demonic spirits; devils!
Rev 16:13,14 -and I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and to the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God almighty.
Fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them prior to the 1000 years
This in Rev 20:9 is none other than his return, the second coming of Christ!!!
Revelation chapter 20 is rehash of prior events. These events will not happen twice.
1000 years is being used as a metaphor as should not be taken literal
Christ will come and set up an everlasting not temporal kingdom.
In Christ, Mark.
LittleLambofJesus said:It willDid Jesus lie to the jews?
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Dan 10:14 "Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision [refers] to [many] days yet [to come."]
Daniel 9:24 70 7's, he is decreeing [#2852] on your people and on a city of a holy of you, to shut up[#03607] the transgression[#06588] and finish[#08552] sealing[#02856] up sin["02403] and to atone/cover[#03722] over iniquity[#05771] and come into/enter[#0395] in righteousness[#06664] of eons[#05769] and to seal up[#02856] vision[#02377] and prophet[#05030] and to annoint[#04886] holy[#06944] holy ones[#06944] .
Be back where?A Brother In Christ said:hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things in which it was impossible for God to lie...
1 thes 5:25 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.read your context in luke ...
time of the gentiles fulfilled then Jews will be back.
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