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Is there Objective Morality?

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by zippy2006, Sep 3, 2021.

Is there an objective morality?

  1. Yes

  2. No

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  1. stevevw

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    But because there are physical reasons for the way light waves work, pigmentation, and eye cone function the interpretation is restricted to a certain range. Its not as if one person can see blue and the other red under normal circumstances without some problem in the eye cones or other mechanisms.

    The spectrum range for blue is completely different to red. You can't imagine or interpret red out of blue. There may some variance in the same colour between people because they will end up interpreting blue with a slightly different shade within the blue range. But that's still the same colour and usually has a logical reason such as differences in illumination due to time of day or the position someone is viewing things from.
     
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  2. Ken-1122

    Ken-1122 Newbie

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    Interesting theory. Do you know of any evidence to support this theory?
     
  3. Kylie

    Kylie Defeater of Illogic

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    The eye will receive the same signals, but that doesn't mean the brain is going to interpret them the same way.

    Your Color Red Really Could Be My Blue
     
  4. Chriliman

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    Imagine someone associating the intensity of red with cold, or the calm of blue with hot. Crazy
     
  5. Ken-1122

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    If this were true, I can't think of a way it can be proven so it is all just speculation.
     
  6. Hans Blaster

    Hans Blaster E pluribus unum

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    Red stars are cooler than blue stars. A lot cooler.

    We (most humans, not astronomers) only think of red as "hot" because the things in our personal experience that glow with their own heat (rather than reflected light) like fires, embers, hot pokers, stove burners, etc. are red because they are just hot enough to glow in the red part of the spectrum (rather than in the IR where we glow). Blue things (or blue/white things) tend to be cooler than fire: water, ice, the air (sky).

    In short: Red *is* cooler than blue for object glowing by their own heat.
     
  7. .Mikha'el.

    .Mikha'el. Young Fogie Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    It's a faulty analogy. It's unquestionable that Henry Ford and the company that bears his name exist. One can't say the same about a divine being. The second one leaves the world of fact and enters into the realm of faith, objectivity no longer applies.
     
  8. stevevw

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    I think colours like red are also signals that represent important signs for creatures for example to avoid or be attracted to. No just red but many colours in nature. So its important that all creatures can perceive the same colours as a matter of survival even.

    Another fascinating thing about colour is that some creatures can mimic colours as though all living things perceive colour the same. The colour they reflect just happens to be the colour that saves them or allows them an advantage.

    So colour becomes an important part of survival. Imagine if creatures seen different colours for these vital colours in nature. It would be a matter of life and death if colour is an individual perception. It seems creatures can naturally reflect the exact colours that have important meaning and all other creatures understand this.
     
  9. Kylie

    Kylie Defeater of Illogic

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    I don't think so. All we need to to have the association that a certain colour carries a certain meaning. We both associate red with danger, even if what you call red is more like my blue.

    Again, this doesn't require perception of colour to be objectively the same. A green insect on a green leaf may be hard to see, but if the colour I call green appears to you the way orange appears to me, it's still an insect that matches the colour of the leaf it's on.
     
  10. stevevw

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    I don't know about that. I don't think colours work in isolationbut rather in combinations and contrasts with the environment. Red is a vivid colour and its combination with say black is what signals the danger or attraction. I don't think blue is as vivid and contrasts as well. A creature would be at some disadvantage compared to creatures that see the vivid contrast.

    But I think this is seeing colour in isolation. Its not just the specific leaf and insect involved in colour experience and perception but also the background and surrounding environment which is also coloured. I would imagine changing one basic colour would have some knock-on effect on its combination with other colours and the environment which perhaps causes some disadvantage.
     
  11. stevevw

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    Yes I've read this article. But they are talking about how the eye cones that are tuned to the specific frequency waves for red are out of sequence and instead tune into blue on the spectrum. Its not as if people with the usual eye cones for receiving light frequencies for red can just interpret red as blue because the same signal has not gone to the brain in the first place.
     
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