We would also see a necessity of values in universe that is not designed since the resulting features of the universe are necessarily dependent on those values.
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Seeing no order or necessity in the values that are found in the universe.
Really? The scientists who are top in their field see design,
Are you saying that design is a strictly human construct?
OnceCould you elaborate on this falsification?
Of course there is order in the universe. That order could come from God, physical processes or a combination of both. The existence of order cannot falsify or support ID.Seeing no order or necessity in the values that are found in the universe.
We would also see a necessity of values in universe that is not designed since the resulting features of the universe are necessarily dependent on those values.
bhsmteOnce Of course there is order in the universe. That order could come from God, physical processes or a combination of both. The existence of order cannot falsify or support ID.
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And that is where you are being dishonest. They do not support intelligent design.
I have given quotes that show they do see design,
I have made certain to not misrepresent them in that they do not feel it is actual design.
And, you connect this "appearance" of design to a God, based on faith, correct?
I make a reasoned and rational conclusion based on the scientific evidence based on my personal experience with God. If you wish to call it faith that is fine with me.
The fine tuning that we see in the values and necessity of those in not only the existence of the universe but intelligent life of this universe work together as a whole.
Should the values be different we know that this universe could not exist nor intelligent life.
The scientists claim that another universe might exist with different values but not that they would support intelligent life.
I make a reasoned and rational conclusion based on the scientific evidence based on my personal experience with God.
I want to make this very very clear... I was referring to the appearance of design in the universe and not actual design.
My point is that the APPEARANCE OF DESIGN is SUPPORTIVE of design.
You have given quotes showing that it only appears to be designed, but that there is no evidence for actual design. Please try to accurately represent their position.
You misrepresent their position when you say that they see design.
When you say something is supportive, you are saying that it is evidence. The appearance of design is not evidence of actual design. Please try to use words honestly.
Your conclusion is nothing but the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.
Texas sharpshooter fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You assume that the outcome seen in this universe was the goal.
That is simply untrue:
From Paul Davies Book "Cosmic Blueprint"..."There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all .. . It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature's numbers to make the Universe ... The impression of design is overwhelming."
You make the assumption that there is no goal,
that the appearance of design must be an illusion.
To do this you ignore the elements in nature and our universe that do appear to be designed so point that finger right back to you.
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