Is there evidence of something beyond nature?

[EternalDragon]

Engineered ignorance to accommodate creationism is a blight on the US and should be seen as a form of child abuse.

I've heard of the same rants from the scientific community when Andreas Vesalius tried to publish a book to correct to misconceptions of Galen's medical teachings which were mostly incorrect about the human body. Yet were taught from for years as fact during the 1400-1500's in major universities.

 

[lasthero]

I've heard of the same rants from the scientific community when Andreas Vesalius tried to publish a book to correct to misconceptions of Galen's medical teachings which were mostly incorrect about the human body. Yet were taught from for years as fact during the 1400-1500's in major universities.

Who made these rants?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I am not trivializing it but child abuse comes in many forms both physical and mental and deliberately retarding a child's mind in order for it to believe in a myth can well be considered child abuse.

I don't think you have to (the word you used) a child's mind to teach them about God. You just........teach them about God. Besides, if you actually (the word you used) their minds you probably couldn't teach them anything, including the theory of evolution.

 

[EternalDragon]

Who made these rants?

A teacher at the University of Paris named Sylvius and other doctors and professors. If you ever studied the history of medicine you would know what I am talking about.

 

[EternalDragon]

Unfortunately yes you do, you tell a child about Santa Claus but you must indoctrinate a child about Gods.
Then as the child get's older you stop telling them about Santa but you keep indoctrinating them about Gods.
It's fear that keep children believing in Gods, the fear of punishment for something they didn't do.
Only in religious circles would scaring a child half to death be considered to be good for them, religion is a sickness.

Is this what you think goes on in Christian homes? You are quite mistaken. For myself I chose not to lie to my kids about someone coming into the house and putting presents under the tree. As my wife and I were the ones doing it.

As for the bible, they were exposed to it but given the chance to make their own choice. I know of no born again Christians that force any personal choices on their kids.

According to the bible everyone is guilty of sinning. So yes, there would be consequences to that sin. There is nothing scary about the possibility of God existing nor about punishment as God's son already paid that penalty. All you need to do is ask for forgiveness with an open heart.

 

[Split Rock]

If that is natural then we can certainly be unnatural. We can break rules and we can be immoral.

For highly intelligent social animals to have rules is completely natural. It is also natural for some individuals to break those rules. Nothing unnatural about it.

 

[Split Rock]

Engineered ignorance to accommodate creationism is a blight on the US and should be seen as a form of child abuse.

Back with yet another sock-puppet, consol? Have you no shame?

 

[Gracchus]

Often the morals we claim animals have are our interpretation of an animal's behavior. (This would included rape., murder, etc.)

One of the first things impressed upon the students in the animal behavior class I took, was that we should not project human motives on non-human animals.
After some study of the behavior of animal behavior and its causes, I realized that it was also a mistake to project "human motives" onto human behavior. Humans like to rationalize their behavior, but it is just animal behavior.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Unfortunately yes you do, you tell a child about Santa Claus but you must indoctrinate a child about Gods.
Then as the child get's older you stop telling them about Santa but you keep indoctrinating them about Gods.
It's fear that keep children believing in Gods, the fear of punishment for something they didn't do.
Only in religious circles would scaring a child half to death be considered to be good for them, religion is a sickness.

Most parents actually do little teaching about religion to their kids. They leave that to the churches that they attend as a family, hoping that their kids will get the message as well.

In a very timely fashion my father gathered us kids and told us that if we wanted to seek any sort of religion in our lives it was our decision, and he left it at that.

My mother gave me a religious coloring book when I was about four years old. I saw a picture of Jesus surrounded by children and lambs. I asked who that was; "That's Jesus, he loves you" my mother answered. I got a warm fuzzy feeling and knew it was true. She was a faithful member of the Lutheran church until her death but never spoke of religion to me.

Of three children I was the only one who was drawn to religion.

 

[Oncedeceived]

You have no answer so you bring on the mumbo jumbo and try to deflect and you must know exactly what no shame is.

What I said is true and you can not deny it.
Engineered ignorance to accommodate creationism is a blight on the US and should be seen as a form of child abuse.

My heart goes out to you. I don't know what unimaginable abuse or pain you have suffered by someone or even numerous someone's but your pain is evident and I am truly saddened by it. People, all people regardless of beliefs have the ability to hurt (sometimes very seriously) children and others. Children in all walks of life are abused due to their innocence and vulnerability and it is horrendous whenever or however it is inflicted.

If you were abused please please seek some help to finally find peace for your past. No matter what someone did to justify your abuse it was wrong and not what God would want. A christian should be about love, nothing could justify hurting a child or an adult in the living Jesus professed when He walked the earth.

 

[Dizredux]

Back with yet another sock-puppet, consol? Have you no shame?

Apparently not. I really have not a lot of patience with militant anti theists nor militant theists. Both do much more damage than good in my opinion.

Militant and noisy people like MarkFellitt tend to drive people toward religion and militant and noisy theists away. There is an irony there but those not cursed with self awareness seldom see this in my experience.

Dizredux

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Exactly the opposite, I am a thinking fully functioning human being which is more than I can say for you people,
without your imaginary friends you would be unable to function properly, if at all.

Careful, don't be flaming.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You are not going to cheat fate or reality just by telling yourself to believe something someone told you, growing up and facing and living life full on is the only hope any of us have, I'm doing it why aren't you?

You can place your hope in yourself and your fellow man if you want to, we place ours in God and Jesus Christ.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How can the truth be flaming?

Flaming is being nasty, regardless of the subject.

 

[PsychoSarah]

How can the truth be flaming?

No reason you can't be nicer

 

[bhsmte]

How can the truth be flaming?

Give it up man, you are going nowhere fast.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Like the Muslims do with Allah? or have they got it all wrong?

Not a good comparison.

 

[Split Rock]

You have no answer so you bring on the mumbo jumbo and try to deflect and you must know exactly what no shame is.

Its no "mumbo jumbo" to point out that your multiple accounts here are not only against forum rules, but also an unethical means of getting around forum bans.

What I said is true and you can not deny it.
Engineered ignorance to accommodate creationism is a blight on the US and should be seen as a form of child abuse.

I can deny it. You are belittling child abuse, by comparing it to teaching creationism. I agree that creationism is something of a blight, but it is not child abuse for people to teach their children what they believe is true. Not to mention the fact that your behavior here is counter-productive (as always) in keeping people from teaching their children creationism.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Its no "mumbo jumbo" to point out that your multiple accounts here are not only against forum rules, but also an unethical means of getting around forum bans.


I can deny it. You are belittling child abuse, by comparing it to teaching creationism. I agree that creationism is something of a blight, but it is not child abuse for people to teach their children what they believe is true. Not to mention the fact that your behavior here is counter-productive (as always) in keeping people from teaching their children creationism.

I think we all can agree that this poster and the sock puppets before and to come are meant to inflame. I suggest that collectively we all hereafter ignore said posts altogether. I will no longer aid his rants by responding in any matter and no matter how many sock puppets are to come, ignoring them as well.

 

[PsychoSarah]

They can be as nasty and as unkind as they like but not us, why is that, is it because they are damaged and so in need that we must make allowances for them?

If for nothing else, be friendly so as to not give people the satisfaction of bringing you down as low as they are. Not that everyone I have seen you be rude to is rude towards you.