Is there evidence of something beyond nature?

[lasthero]

Then write an essay on the non-existent God.

Nope. I'm just asking questions. Questions you strangely refuse to answer and quite transparently dodge.

Is God omnipotent or not?

 

[justlookinla]

Nope. I'm just asking questions. Questions you strangely refuse to answer and quite transparently dodge.

Is God omnipotent or not?

Which God?

 

[EternalDragon]

The meaning of omnipotent is the ability to do all things. That's literally what the word means - 'all potential'. If a being is limited, he is not omnipotent. Plain and simple. You can't say God can do all things, then turn around and list things he can't do.

It's "won't or didn't do", not can't do.

This is your argument in a nutshell. I can draw fairly good. (Straight A's in art class in high school). I could draw a cat if I wanted to. I don't want to. I'd rather draw a dragon. Therefore, according to you, I am suddenly incapable of drawing a cat.

 

[lasthero]

Which God?

Yours.

 

[lasthero]

It's "won't or didn't do", not can't do.

So God is capable of sinning?

This is your argument in a nutshell. I can draw fairly good. (Straight A's in art class in high school). I could draw a cat if I wanted to. I don't want to. I'd rather draw a dragon. Therefore, according to you, I am suddenly incapable of drawing a cat.

That is not my argument. I haven't even really presented an argument. I'm asking questions.

EDIT: Also, you can draw fairly well. I'm guessing English wasn't your subject in high school.

 

[EternalDragon]

So God is capable of sinning?

That is not my argument. I haven't even really presented an argument. I'm asking questions.

EDIT: Also, you can draw fairly well. I'm guessing English wasn't your subject in high school.

Then all your questions can be answered by reading the book. You can pick up a bible most anywhere. Asking God to help with understanding through the holy spirit also helps as it is a holy book.

 

[lasthero]

Then all your questions can be answered by reading the book.

I've read it. I read it quite often, actually. I have a copy on my phone. I know the answers aren't there. Funnily enough, my father - a pastor - gave me the same answer, just about. I didn't find it anymore convincing back then. It's a copout.

Is God capable of sinning?

 

[justlookinla]

Yours.

Yes, my God is omnipotent.

 

[justlookinla]

I've read it. I read it quite often, actually. I have a copy on my phone. I know the answers aren't there. Funnily enough, my father - a pastor - gave me the same answer, just about. I didn't find it anymore convincing back then. It's a copout.

Is God capable of sinning?

God isn't capable of sinning. (Oh I wonder what question is coming next...lol)

 

[Gracchus]

Does anyone mind if I insert myself into this dialogue?

Is God omnipotent or not?

This question requires clarification. What do you mean by omnipotent? There can be no infinite power. Some things have to be.

Also, thinking more on this, why is free will good, from God's standpoint? If free will is what makes sin exist in the first place, and God abhors sin, why does he endow beings with free will at all?

Free will, to have any power at all, must be exercised. It requires effort and persistence. Most who prattle of free will are willing slaves to impulse, and as incapable of exercising free will as a paraplegic is incapable of moving his legs.

Does God exist or not? If not, you're wanting to discuss a non-existent being with non-existent attributes.

The god most worship, beg, is an impossibility. The Christian god is just another Zeus, Odin, Ammon or Marduk. These are merely imperfect human concepts of a god, modeled on small-minded, cruel and greedy oriental potentates, who claimed, if not divinity itself, then divine family ties, or divine authority.

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To return to the question of the OP, from which this discussion has wandered far: The point has been made that evidence is nature, cause is nature, effect is nature, and no one has demonstrated that anything exists outside of nature.

Once it was thought that gods lived on mountaintops, but men climbed the mountains and found no heavenly palaces. Then it was thought that the gods lived in clouds but men learned to fly, and so the gods were moved beyond the sky. Now men look down on the blue sky and above is only emptiness sprinkled with dust. So now the god becomes "super natural", imperceptible and untestable, but in making their god impervious to detection, by making the divine supernatural, religious person have made the divine unreal.

We find God by looking into our own mind. How real is our idea of God?

 

[PsychoSarah]

God isn't capable of sinning. (Oh I wonder what question is coming next...lol)

Then your ideal of god is not omnipotent, dingus.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Does anyone mind if I insert myself into this dialogue?

This question requires clarification. What do you mean by omnipotent? There can be no infinite power. Some things have to be.

Free will, to have any power at all, must be exercised. It requires effort and persistence. Most who prattle of free will are willing slaves to impulse, and as incapable of exercising free will as a paraplegic is incapable of moving his legs.

The god most worship, beg, is an impossibility. The Christian god is just another Zeus, Odin, Ammon or Marduk. These are merely imperfect human concepts of a god, modeled on small-minded, cruel and greedy oriental potentates, who claimed, if not divinity itself, then divine family ties, or divine authority.

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To return to the question of the OP, from which this discussion has wandered far: The point has been made that evidence is nature, cause is nature, effect is nature, and no one has demonstrated that anything exists outside of nature.

Once it was thought that gods lived on mountaintops, but men climbed the mountains and found no heavenly palaces. Then it was thought that the gods lived in clouds but men learned to fly, and so the gods were moved beyond the sky. Now men look down on the blue sky and above is only emptiness sprinkled with dust. So now the god becomes "super natural", imperceptible and untestable, but in making their god impervious to detection, by making the divine supernatural, religious person have made the divine unreal.

We find God by looking into our own mind. How real is our idea of God?

I so love when you write, so articulate and carrying that subtle sense of wit that is always a bit profound. I really do. If you were writing on a subject that held passion for something other than proclaiming God as an idea rather than a true being I could applaud you. Alas, I being a person that has experienced that "idea" the message ruins the delivery.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I so love when you write, so articulate and carrying that subtle sense of wit that is always a bit profound. I really do. If you were writing on a subject that held passion for something other than proclaiming God as an idea rather than a true being I could applaud you. Alas, I being a person that has experienced that "idea" the message ruins the delivery.

That is a really long way to say "this has no impact on my perspective, but I like how you wrote it"

 

[Oncedeceived]

That is a really long way to say "this has no impact on my perspective, but I like how you wrote it"

hahahaha true that.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Then all your questions can be answered by reading the book. You can pick up a bible most anywhere. Asking God to help with understanding through the holy spirit also helps as it is a holy book.

Pretty sure that sort of help falls within the realm of the Placebo Effect (because you think it works, it makes you perceive it working). The bible could not hope to answer every question, after all, it won't be any help in whether or not I should try to delete certain files on my computer. I always find it mildly humorous though to look at some of the situations the bible does have answers for.

 

[EternalDragon]

Then your ideal of god is not omnipotent, dingus.

That's because it is not in his spiritual nature to do so but he was capable of sin in his human form. Zing!

 

[justlookinla]

Then your ideal of god is not omnipotent, dingus.

Of course He is. Oh...and God cannot lie, in His omnipotence.

Your failure to understand is directly related to the antichrist spirit (per scripture) which controls you. You're a Godless individual (aren't you?) attempting to discuss spiritual truths. Won't work in the slightest.

It would probably behoove you to stick with non-spiritual topics. This isn't the forum to discuss these issues anyway.

 

[PsychoSarah]

That's because it is not in his spiritual nature to do so but he was capable of sin in his human form. Zing!

was it not the whole point that Jesus was DEVOID OF SIN?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Of course He is. Oh...and God cannot lie, in His omnipotence.

Your failure to understand is directly related to the antichrist spirit (per scripture) which controls you. You're a Godless individual (aren't you?) attempting to discuss spiritual truths. Won't work in the slightest.

It would probably behoove you to stick with non-spiritual topics. This isn't the forum to discuss these issues anyway.

Omnipotent definition: all powerful, capable of anything

Your statement: god cannot [insert any action, it really doesn't matter, the point is, you stated that god cannot do something]

Therefore, your ideal of god is not omnipotent, because an omnipotent being would, at the very least, be capable of everything a human can do and more!

Depends on what you consider godless to mean exactly. There is variation in that matter. But in any case, if there is some antichrist spirit controlling me, an individual who wants to believe and have been actively trying to for years, exactly how would my damnation be justified if I never attain belief before I die?

 

[EternalDragon]

was it not the whole point that Jesus was DEVOID OF SIN?

Yes, that is why he was born a virgin and is called the second Adam. But unlike Adam, Jesus did not choose to sin. Hence, sinless. But he was sorely tempted of course.


By the way, how do you "try to believe"? Either you do or you don't.