Is there Bibical evidence for theistic evolution

[gluadys]

Well now look who stopped by, vance himself and still ranting on as usual I see! The pleasure however is all mine. Of course on other forums I know her by the screen name gbunty - and the above rant - simply some of gbunty's wisdom.

Small world, isn't it?

 

[United]

Further more, how do theistic evolutionists deal with the verses about man being made in the Image of God (Genesis 1:26-27)? By evolution, we have evolved over eons of years of change from a microbe into a who we are today, and we should continue to evolve into the future. Does this mean that God's image is constantly evolving, or is this verse ignored?

Hi Delta Leader,

I am sure that God has no interest in physical appearances. Does God have one head, ten toes, ten fingers etc? God can take any form he wishes - what is physical appearence to God?

I think most people would agree that the description of "God creating us in his image" refers to the fact that he gave us an eternal soul and spirit.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

No, God has revealed His nature to us in other ways, such as His creation. BUT, the Bible is the only perfect, direct, special revelation that we have.

No, no and a million times no! The only perfect special revelation we have is Jesus Christ.

Everything is flawed and can be skewed. The Bible says one thing and there is only one interpretation that can be correct.

Why? If it is alive with the Holy Spirit can't it have many applicabilities?

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

delta said: Is there any Biblical evidence for theistic evolution?

No. But then neither is there any other evidence for evolution.

Back again and barefaced lying again, Crusadar?

Go and rebut retro-viral insertions. Until you can, you know full well this "no evidence" thing is utter nonsense. And a person who knowingly spouts nonsense is lying.

 

[Crusadar]

Karl said: Back again and barefaced lying again, Crusadar?

Go and rebut retro-viral insertions. Until you can, you know full well this "no evidence" thing is utter nonsense. And a person who knowingly spouts nonsense is lying.

Go and what now? Gee karl that old thing again - isn't it obvious that its due to a common designer by now! I suppose the only reason anything I say is a lie is because you disagree with it - correct? But that’s alright I forgive you in advance anything else you might end up saying that you don't really mean. There is one thing I respect about you karl - you do say such nice things like calling old Crusadar a liar – but really lets not throw any dirt shall we lest we lose ground as a result.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

And why, exactly, would a common designer put the same VIRAL INSERTIONS in the genomes of related animals? We're not talking about bog standard DNA here.

And you know it.

If I find the same bit of code in two programs, yep, it could be the same programmer. If I find the same fragment of a computer virus in both (and simplistic though it seems they are comparable in this case), I would suspect that the one program had had its code copied wholesale from the other.

The only way this can happen in nature is common descent.

 

[herev]

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[Dust and Ashes]

And why, exactly, would a common designer put the same VIRAL INSERTIONS in the genomes of related animals? We're not talking about bog standard DNA here.

And you know it.

If I find the same bit of code in two programs, yep, it could be the same programmer. If I find the same fragment of a computer virus in both (and simplistic though it seems they are comparable in this case), I would suspect that the one program had had its code copied wholesale from the other.

The only way this can happen in nature is common descent.

You mean the way you can find DOS code in WindowsXP and 2k3 Server if you know where to look, which proves XP & 2k3 "evolved" from DOS?

 

[Glisten]

When all is said and done, and we are all in heaven, perhaps God will show us his video tape of how creation was done.

 

[Vance]

I'll bet it's an awfully long tape! :0)

But, hey, we'll have the time, what's a few billion years when you have eternity?

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

You mean the way you can find DOS code in WindowsXP and 2k3 Server if you know where to look, which proves XP & 2k3 "evolved" from DOS?

If I found viral code, then yes.

But we also have to think about equivalents. What happens when one species evolves from another? Its genetic code is copied with alterations. The equivalent in computing terms is when a developer takes an existing application and tweaks it to create a new one.

Like DOS, XP, 2K3 and so on...

I can imagine an intelligent designer reusing code. I can't imagine him reusing the viral code along with the functional stuff.

 

[Dust and Ashes]

When all is said and done, and we are all in heaven, perhaps God will show us his video tape of how creation was done.

I'm sure God uses DVD's

 

[Dust and Ashes]

I can imagine an intelligent designer reusing code. I can't imagine him reusing the viral code along with the functional stuff.

Kind of going off on a tangent here but are there any cases (known or speculated) of a virus or other parasitic organism actually giving it's host an evolutionary advantage or even a short term survivability advantage and effectively becoming a symbiote? I hope that made sense. Almost my bedtime.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

Kind of going off on a tangent here but are there any cases (known or speculated) of a virus or other parasitic organism actually giving it's host an evolutionary advantage or even a short term survivability advantage and effectively becoming a symbiote? I hope that made sense. Almost my bedtime.

Mitochondria.

But you are aware that it's not proposed that the retro-viral insertions in the DNA necessarily gave evolutionary advantages, I trust?

 

[Dust and Ashes]

Mitochondria.

But you are aware that it's not proposed that the retro-viral insertions in the DNA necessarily gave evolutionary advantages, I trust?

Yes, it was just a stray thought that crossed my mind and I thought I'd ask.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Kind of going off on a tangent here but are there any cases (known or speculated) of a virus or other parasitic organism actually giving it's host an evolutionary advantage or even a short term survivability advantage and effectively becoming a symbiote? I hope that made sense. Almost my bedtime.

there is at least one human protein created from a backwards inserted viral genome. i lost the reference so if anyone has it, i'd like to get it saved. tried to google it without success.