Is there ANY solid creation evidence?

[AV1611VET]

A Hebrew book written by Hebrews for Hebrews - and their enemies - I'd say that the Jews promised Israel to the Jews.

Got any hard questions?

Ya -- ever heard of Yasser Arafat? I'm sure he thought the same thing.

 

[AV1611VET]

Or a creationist.

That's right --

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm talking about the relationship between fundamentalists and secularists. We bring discourse to the table and want to discuss things so that society can continue to progress, but you guys don't seem to care or want to cooperate with us.

We don't co-operate, because we know better.

You guys do much more than 'discuss things'.

For example, if a Christian outreach should even dare ask the government for financial support, your 'discussion' suddenly becomes a list of demands that have to be met.

Such as:

• put tv's in the lounge
• relax dating standards
• allow co-ed housing
• et worse cetera

No, there's more to it than meets the eye, my friend.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Ya -- ever heard of Yasser Arafat? I'm sure he thought the same thing.

If you want to talk about the veracity of a claim, that's something else entirely. The OT was written from a Jewish-centric point of view. Don't be surprised when others do not agree.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

We don't co-operate, because we know better.

You guys do much more than 'discuss things'.

For example, if a Christian outreach should even dare ask the government for financial support, your 'discussion' suddenly becomes a list of demands that have to be met.

Such as:

• put tv's in the lounge
• relax dating standards
• allow co-ed housing
• et worse cetera

No, there's more to it than meets the eye, my friend.

What does this have to do with financial support? You guys are tax-exempt already dude. I'd also think a group of people with a special connection to the creator of the universe wouldn't be strapped for cash.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you want to talk about the veracity of a claim, that's something else entirely. The OT was written from a Jewish-centric point of view. Don't be surprised when others do not agree.

Okay -- -- I'll try not to.

 

[Skaloop]

We don't co-operate, because we know better.

You guys do much more than 'discuss things'.

For example, if a Christian outreach should even dare ask the government for financial support, your 'discussion' suddenly becomes a list of demands that have to be met.

Such as:

• put tv's in the lounge
• relax dating standards
• allow co-ed housing
• et worse cetera

Can you provide a link to anyone who's ever said such a thing? Not mere suggestions about what should be done, or disagreement with how the outreach wants to do it, but actual demands of the "Do this or you do not get money" sort.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can you provide a link to anyone who's ever said such a thing? Not mere suggestions about what should be done, or disagreement with how the outreach wants to do it, but actual demands of the "Do this or you do not get money" sort.

Yes I could, but I'm going to abstain for personal reasons.

 

[Skaloop]

Yes I could, but I'm going to abstain for personal reasons.

If you really can, I am interested in seeing it. You could always PM me with the link. I won't respond to it or argue it or anything. I'm just curious about it.

 

[Nathan Poe]

We don't co-operate, because we know better.

It always comes to that, doesn't it? Knowing better and being better...

You guys do much more than 'discuss things'.

For example, if a Christian outreach should even dare ask the government for financial support, your 'discussion' suddenly becomes a list of demands that have to be met.

They're called "laws," AV -- if you want government money, you've got to follow government rules.

Of course, I suppose being better than us means you're above the rules the rest of us have to follow, eh?

Such as:

• put tv's in the lounge
• relax dating standards
• allow co-ed housing
• et worse cetera

No, there's more to it than meets the eye, my friend.

Christian outreach programs do these things? Or are you just blathering?

 

[AV1611VET]

Or are you just blathering?

I'm 'just blathering' -- like most of the other times you've accused me of it.

 

[theFijian]

Very good! was that a guess?

I see you didn't take on board my pet theory! :weeps:

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[AV1611VET]

I see you didn't take on board my pet theory! :weeps:

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Is Minnesota the gopher wood state?

 

[Nostromo]

Is Minnesota the gopher wood state?

What exactly is Gopher wood, and why, when you claim it grew in New Jersey and Mesopotamia, would you claim that New Jersey was definitely Noah's antediluvian home?

 

[AV1611VET]

What exactly is Gopher wood...

We don't know exactly.

There are plants and there are animals.

Animals go extinct, plants go extinct -- the gopher tree may have just been one such plant.

In any case, God knew; as did Noah.

... and why, when you claim it grew in New Jersey and Mesopotamia, would you claim that New Jersey was definitely Noah's antediluvian home?

Let's make a distinction here.

There are only two ingredients mentioned in the building of the Ark: gopher wood and pitch.

The two are as different as balsa wood and super glue; unless the gopher tree provided the pitch, which I don't think happened.*

In any event, Wikipedia says the pitch pine is native to New Jersey, and since the Ark ended its journey in Mesopotamia, I assume the Ark began its journey elsewhere; and according to the aforementioned Wikipedia, I surmise it began its journey from New Jersey.

The alternative would be to think the Ark did one of two things:

1. Just bobbled around in Mesopotamia for a year.
2. Circumnavigated the globe and ended up where it started.

* Since the gopher tree and the pitch pine grew together, I would assume that when God refloraed the earth after the Flood, He did not see fit to bring back the gopher tree -- but He did bring back the pitch pine.

 

[Naraoia]

The alternative would be to think the Ark did one of two things:

1. Just bobbled around in Mesopotamia for a year.
2. Circumnavigated the globe and ended up where it started.

Really? These are the only two options? If you ever leave Mesopotamia, you can't get back without circumnavigating the planet?

 

[AV1611VET]

Really? These are the only two options? If you ever leave Mesopotamia, you can't get back without circumnavigating the planet?

If you want to talk yourself out of understanding what I'm saying, help yourself to your laughter.

One of these days you may be called on to explain it, then it won't be so funny, will it?

I assume you'll either give it the standard automatic scientific denial, or you'll replace that with a

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

If you want to talk yourself out of understanding what I'm saying, help yourself to your laughter.

One of these days you may be called on to explain it, then it won't be so funny, will it?

I assume you'll either give it the standard automatic scientific denial, or you'll replace that with a

Has it ever occurred to you that your avatar makes your posts look even sillier?

 

[Belk]

If you want to talk yourself out of understanding what I'm saying, help yourself to your laughter.

One of these days you may be called on to explain it, then it won't be so funny, will it?

I assume you'll either give it the standard automatic scientific denial, or you'll replace that with a

We understand what you are saying AV, we just hold your words to a higher standard then yourself. Namely we recognize it for the ad hoc hooey it is rather then the pearls of wisdom you believe it to be.

 

[AV1611VET]

Namely we recognize it for the ad hoc hooey it is rather then the pearls of wisdom you believe it to be.

Is that why you guys trample them under your feet, then turn to rend their casters, like the Bible says you will?