Is there any evidence for evolution?

[mark kennedy]

How are people supposed to tell the difference between them all? it all sounds a bit hit and miss to me.

The promise of the Gospel is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit:

“If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. (John 14:15-17)

You also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit. (Eph. 1:13)
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There are a lot of false teachers out there, many of them look like the real deal at first. The way you discern the genuine from the false is by knowing the Gospel and being indwelled by the Holy Spirit.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Gregory Mallett]

All previous "evidence" for evolution is slowly being disregarded discarded.The actual theory as a whole is quietly being abandoned within the scientific community, though this fact is not know to many. There are too many holes in the theory of evolution that it would be wrong to call it fact.

For example, every species that died within the 2 billion years that earth was supposedly evolving had a chance, albeit a very small chance, that their remains would fossilise. Do the math and you'll find out that all of the remains of the species that did fossilise over the two billion years should literally be covering every inch of the face of the earth. Like, think about it.

If you follow the writings of various creationists and/or evolutionists, you find that those on the left wing are practically desperate to hold on to this theory, regardless of the fact that their colleagues have rejected it. Some are even willing to make up data and spread lies just to prove their thoroughly flawed theory. That doesn't sound like science to me.

I am Catholic, yes, and consequently a creationist, but I can say without any bias whatsoever that I would accept evolution if only science could prove it 200% true. Not 80% or 99.9%. 200%. Because that what science is. Scientific facts are those that have been proven over and over and over and over again through a period of many many years and remains constant. Key word right there, constant. The theory of evolution has been changing far to much over the past 150 years or so that it's really not even scientific to call it fact. There have been theories and views in the past that have been held on to as fact for hundreds of years only to have it utterly shattered later on by new discoveries. I believe evolution is one of those theories.

As biologist Mike Snavely pointed out, Scientific facts are those that are observable, demonstrable, and repeatable. Evolution cannot meet any of these criteria.

When in view of the volatility of atheist/evolutionists towards those who disregard is as false and how this "fact" has been spread so far into the world and embedded itself into our culture, I think it's just Satan's sneaky way of confusing and dividing our culture, degrading us in the process.

Every human heart has an inclination towards the divine; we know God's law within our hearts, yet not all of us respond to it. Satan just wants to take this truth and twist it around with evolution; that we are not servants of God imbued with an eternal soul, we're just really, really well formed organisms, devoid of purpose and soul, bumbling along endlessly towards "perfection". When living as if this were true, anything goes. Hence the state of our culture.

I dunno guys. There is far too much evidence for the existence of God and Satan that I can't just look up at a night sky and observe that absolute perfection of the universe we live in, and then look around me and see perfect, beautiful order in our natural world, and then say, "Yep. This all just made itself. It came from nowhere and nothing. Perfectly plausible." I just can't, I'm sorry. I have seen God transform people, physically and spiritually, I've seen incredible Eucharistic miracles (not in person, however), I have seen Satan tear people apart, torturing them by oppression, physical assaults (something I myself have experienced), vice, paralysis, nightmares, possession. I know people who have seen demons, myself included, and people who have seen angels. I myself have experienced God in many powerful ways, and I can feel him working within me when I completely let him in. God is so obvious to me that I can't stand it when people say there is no evidence for him. There is evidence flipping everywhere! What does evolution have to offer? A few dusty old fossils scantily traced with bones? I leave it to you to decide which worldview is more logical.

 

[Nicky Blass]

How are people supposed to tell the difference between them all? it all sounds a bit hit and miss to me.

Search the scriptures. Galatians 1 - if any preach a Gospel other than what has been received, let him be accursed.

Hang on, that's what I asked, how are people supposed to know which one of the many to choose? you are telling me about one scripture and others will tell me about another, how am I supposed to know which one to believe when there are literally hundreds to choose from, with everyone putting forward the one they believe as the right one how can anyone be sure of getting the right one? that's why I said it was all hit and miss.

 

[Nicky Blass]

All previous "evidence" for evolution is slowly being disregarded discarded.The actual theory as a whole is quietly being abandoned within the scientific community, though this fact is not know to many. There are too many holes in the theory of evolution that it would be wrong to call it fact.

If you could just list one of those holes perhaps we could talk about it? don't throw out a bucket full of red herrings in the hope that one will not be addressed, let's do them one at a time.

 

[AdamSK]

For example, every species that died within the 2 billion years that earth was supposedly evolving had a chance, albeit a very small chance, that their remains would fossilise. Do the math and you'll find out that all of the remains of the species that did fossilise over the two billion years should literally be covering every inch of the face of the earth.

Why don't you show us the math?

 

[Loudmouth]

I considered a footnote to that effect, but the true situation is more complex, since there is a inverted pear shape imposed on the oblate spheroid. That leaves the most accurate - and indisputable - term as geoid: Earth shaped.

Indeed. When Earth eats incoming asteroids it goes straight to its South Pole.

 

[Loudmouth]

So if the ERVs we have in common are evidence for common ancestry then the most abundant family of ERVs being absent from the human genome is an argument against right?

PTERV-1 elements haven't been shown to be the most abundant ERV for all of the ERVs in the chimp genome. The study you keep citing only looked at 400 chimp ERVs. There are over 200,000 total ERVs in the chimp genome.

Also, you haven't shown that the PtERV insertions in the chimp and ape genomes are orthologous. You always seem to ignore this part.

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You can help him with this one:

The 118-bp HAR1 region showed the most dramatically accelerated change, with an estimated 18 substitutions in the human lineage since the human;chimpanzee ancestor, compared with the expected 0.27 substitutions on the basis of the slow rate of change in this region in other amniotes. Only two bases (out of 118) are changed between chimpanzee and chicken, indicating that the region was present and functional in our ancestor at least 310 million years (Myr) ago. No orthologue of HAR1 was detected in the frog (Xenopus tropicalis), any of the available fish genomes, or in any invertebrate lineage, indicating that it originated no more than about 400Myr ago See FIGURE 2 from An RNA gene expressed during cortical development evolved rapidly in humans. (Nature 443, 167-172 14 September 2006)

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Genetic evidence is by far the strongest evidence against Darwinian logic.

How so?

The way most, if not all Darwinians deal with it, they simply ignore the differences.

We deal with the differences all of the time. Last I checked, evolution is a theory meant to explain the differences.

They appear to have abandoned fossils because not people can find out for themselves what the features are and that throws the argument into a tail spin.

That is completely untrue. You are the one who runs away from a discussion of fossils each and every time.

 

[Papias]

I am Catholic, yes, and consequently a creationist, ....

Hello Gregory! Nice to meet you!

Did you know that our Holy Church does not require you to be a creationist? Quite the contrary, the Catholic Church is a strong supporter of evolution, with evolution as the tool God used to create everything. This view is often referred to as Theistic evolution.

The Catholic support for modern evolution is so consistent and strong that I'm surprised when I come across other Catholics who aren't aware of it (which happens regularly).

Here is a large paper overseen by the Pope emeritis on this:
Cardinal Ratzinger and International Theological Commission on Creation and Evolutionhttp://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/p80.htm

From it:

Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution. While the story of human origins is complex and subject to revision, physical anthropology and molecular biology combine to make a convincing case for the origin of the human species in Africa about 150,000 years ago in a humanoid population of common genetic lineage. However it is to be explained, the decisive factor in human origins was a continually increasing brain size, culminating in that of homo sapiens. With the development of the human brain, the nature and rate of evolution were permanently altered: with the introduction of the uniquely human factors of consciousness, intentionality, freedom and creativity, biological evolution was recast as social and cultural evolution.


Prior to Benedict XVI's 2007 comments, Pope John Paul II also said evolution was "effectively proven fact."

John Paul II in 1996:

"In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points."

A list showing the RCC acceptance of evolution:

1. Humani Generis, an official papal encyclical by Pope Pious XII which allows evolution.
2. Interpretation of Humani Generis by Pope John Paul II, just in case anyone was unclear that Humani Generis allows for evolution
3. The fact that evolution is openly taught by Catholic teachers to Catholic students in Catholic Universities and Schools, this means that the Catholic church teaches evolution to more people than any other worldwide group - religious or secular. The Catholic church teaches evolution to thousands of times more people than all atheist groups combined.
4. Confirmation of open support of evolution by the Vatican in a commissioned report chaired by Pope Emeritus Benedict, saying evolution is "virtually certain",
5. Many of the most outspoken evolution supporters are Catholic, such as Ken Miller, Dr. Ayayla, etc.
6. Clear statements from the last three Popes (Francis, Benedict, JPII) in support of Evolution over Creationism.

Note that the list includes at least three popes, an official encyclical, a Vatican commission report, and the actions of thousands of Catholic officials doing their jobs, right now.

In fact, the Catholic church is the largest single institution teaching evolution worldwide today. Nobody else teaches evolution to as many kids, young adults, adults and elderly as the Catholic church does, every day.

All previous "evidence" for evolution is slowly being disregarded discarded.The actual theory as a whole is quietly being abandoned within the scientific community, though this fact is not know to many. There are too many holes in the theory of evolution that it would be wrong to call it fact.

Creationists have been saying that for decades, and it's just as false now as it was 50 years ago. Practically all scientists (including thousands who are Christians) support evolution, and this support is even stronger today than it was in the past, because discovery after discovery has confirmed evolution. The DNA evidence itself is overwhelming - not that it was needed.

I dunno guys. There is far too much evidence for the existence of God and Satan ...... I have seen God transform people, physically and spiritually, I've seen incredible Eucharistic miracles (not in person, however), I have seen Satan tear people apart, torturing them by oppression, physical assaults (something I myself have experienced), vice, paralysis, nightmares, possession. I know people who have seen demons, myself included, and people who have seen angels. I myself have experienced God in many powerful ways, and I can feel him working within me when I completely let him in. God is so obvious to me that I can't stand it when people say there is no evidence for him.

But none of that has anything to do with evolution. Creationists try to get us to equate evolution with atheism, but that's just as silly as equating gravity with atheism. Evolution, just like gravity, germs, atoms, and other parts of science that are both facts and theories, is fully consistent with Christian faith.

Take your time. Read the statements from the Popes above, and especially ask your priest. We Catholics have nothing to fear from evolution - that's why it's a Catholic position.

In Christ-

Papias

 

[Gregory Mallett]

Why don't you show us the math?

I don't have access to the data with me now, nor will you find it on the internet, but you can watch biologist Mike Snavely's DVD series on evolution. He actually goes step by step into the math in there.

 

[Gregory Mallett]

If you could just list one of those holes perhaps we could talk about it? don't throw out a bucket full of red herrings in the hope that one will not be addressed, let's do them one at a time.

Here's one.

The basis of species evolving from one to another relies on genetic mutation, or discrepancies in the duplication of cells during development. If the mutation is to the benefit of the species, it will survive and improve by natural selection. If not, it will be weeded out. However, Vitamin E is the buffer for mutations during development, so if there are any minor or major mutations, Vitamin E should automatically cancel it out.

Also each organism's DNA is more or less permanent. You can not add or take away from a species' DNA, however the species can adapt to new environments using DNA code that already exists within it.

 

[Loudmouth]

Here's one.

The basis of species evolving from one to another relies on genetic mutation, or discrepancies in the duplication of cells during development. If the mutation is to the benefit of the species, it will survive and improve by natural selection. If not, it will be weeded out. However, Vitamin E is the buffer for mutations during development, so if there are any minor or major mutations, Vitamin E should automatically cancel it out.

That isn't the case at all. I think you are trying to claim that oxidation damage is the singular source for mutation, but that just isn't the case. There are tons of different sources for mutation, including the intrinsic inaccuracy of the enzymes used to copy DNA. Even with tons of VitE available, mutations will still occur.

Also each organism's DNA is more or less permanent. You can not add or take away from a species' DNA, however the species can adapt to new environments using DNA code that already exists within it.

Insertion and deletion mutations do occur. Also, there is nothing in our already existing DNA that would allow us to give birth to chimps. Chimps and humans are different because the sequence of our DNA is different.

 

[Gregory Mallett]

Hello Gregory! Nice to meet you!

Did you know that our Holy Church does not require you to be a creationist? Quite the contrary, the Catholic Church is a strong supporter of evolution, with evolution as the tool God used to create everything. This view is often referred to as Theistic evolution.

The Catholic support for modern evolution is so consistent and strong that I'm surprised when I come across other Catholics who aren't aware of it (which happens regularly).

Here is a large paper overseen by the Pope emeritis on this:
Cardinal Ratzinger and International Theological Commission on Creation and Evolutionhttp://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/p80.htm

From it:

Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution. While the story of human origins is complex and subject to revision, physical anthropology and molecular biology combine to make a convincing case for the origin of the human species in Africa about 150,000 years ago in a humanoid population of common genetic lineage. However it is to be explained, the decisive factor in human origins was a continually increasing brain size, culminating in that of homo sapiens. With the development of the human brain, the nature and rate of evolution were permanently altered: with the introduction of the uniquely human factors of consciousness, intentionality, freedom and creativity, biological evolution was recast as social and cultural evolution.


Prior to Benedict XVI's 2007 comments, Pope John Paul II also said evolution was "effectively proven fact."

John Paul II in 1996:

"In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points."

A list showing the RCC acceptance of evolution:

1. Humani Generis, an official papal encyclical by Pope Pious XII which allows evolution.
2. Interpretation of Humani Generis by Pope John Paul II, just in case anyone was unclear that Humani Generis allows for evolution
3. The fact that evolution is openly taught by Catholic teachers to Catholic students in Catholic Universities and Schools, this means that the Catholic church teaches evolution to more people than any other worldwide group - religious or secular. The Catholic church teaches evolution to thousands of times more people than all atheist groups combined.
4. Confirmation of open support of evolution by the Vatican in a commissioned report chaired by Pope Emeritus Benedict, saying evolution is "virtually certain",
5. Many of the most outspoken evolution supporters are Catholic, such as Ken Miller, Dr. Ayayla, etc.
6. Clear statements from the last three Popes (Francis, Benedict, JPII) in support of Evolution over Creationism.

Note that the list includes at least three popes, an official encyclical, a Vatican commission report, and the actions of thousands of Catholic officials doing their jobs, right now.

In fact, the Catholic church is the largest single institution teaching evolution worldwide today. Nobody else teaches evolution to as many kids, young adults, adults and elderly as the Catholic church does, every day.



Creationists have been saying that for decades, and it's just as false now as it was 50 years ago. Practically all scientists (including thousands who are Christians) support evolution, and this support is even stronger today than it was in the past, because discovery after discovery has confirmed evolution. The DNA evidence itself is overwhelming - not that it was needed.



But none of that has anything to do with evolution. Creationists try to get us to equate evolution with atheism, but that's just as silly as equating gravity with atheism. Evolution, just like gravity, germs, atoms, and other parts of science that are both facts and theories, is fully consistent with Christian faith.

Take your time. Read the statements from the Popes above, and especially ask your priest. We Catholics have nothing to fear from evolution - that's why it's a Catholic position.

In Christ-

Papias

Well, my ultimate stance on evolution is that it is on very shaky ground and I don't think it can be completely trusted. I haven't thoroughly gotten into the science behind it all, my brain isn't big enough, but I have read many different volumes on evolution and done various research and have come to my own conclusion about it; that it is not consistent. Scientific facts are consistent. If this theory is still being researched and developed (which scientists admit it is), then we shouldn't be so quick so accept whatever the media tells us about it.

You are right though, to be a Catholic does not mean you have to be creationist. Being Catholic means to give your life to Christ and to serve Him with all you've got. That is all that really matters. Whether or not we got here by the Genesis account or by God initiating an evolutionary process, is irrelevant to salvation. When you die, the life you've lived, whether for God or not, is all that matters. Not your views and opinions that you had in life, but the state of your soul.

God bless you, man!

 

[Philip_B]

1. It is the theory of evolution. It is sad that in many education systems it is taught as fact.
2. It is probably the best scientific theory we have to date.
3. Evolution, interesting flys in the face of the law of degradation, where things, slow down, grow old, rust and decay.
4. It is this fact, perhaps more than any other that makes the theory attractive to Christians, because in order to change the direction governed by the laws of nature presupposes another force of energy to be added to the equation. This makes Evolution as a Theory and very compelling case for the existence of God.

 

[Nicky Blass]

1. It is the theory of evolution. It is sad that in many education systems it is taught as fact.

That's because it is a fact.

2. It is probably the best scientific theory we have to date.
3. Evolution, interesting flys in the face of the law of degradation, where things, slow down, grow old, rust and decay.
4. It is this fact, perhaps more than any other that makes the theory attractive to Christians, because in order to change the direction governed by the laws of nature presupposes another force of energy to be added to the equation. This makes Evolution as a Theory and very compelling case for the existence of God.

Can we take it then that you will be learning as much as you can about the ToE in order to show that evolution = God?

 

[mark kennedy]

Hello Gregory! Nice to meet you!

Did you know that our Holy Church does not require you to be a creationist? Quite the contrary, the Catholic Church is a strong supporter of evolution, with evolution as the tool God used to create everything. This view is often referred to as Theistic evolution.

The Catholic support for modern evolution is so consistent and strong that I'm surprised when I come across other Catholics who aren't aware of it (which happens regularly).

Here is a large paper overseen by the Pope emeritis on this:
Cardinal Ratzinger and International Theological Commission on Creation and Evolutionhttp://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/p80.htm

From it:

Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution. While the story of human origins is complex and subject to revision, physical anthropology and molecular biology combine to make a convincing case for the origin of the human species in Africa about 150,000 years ago in a humanoid population of common genetic lineage. However it is to be explained, the decisive factor in human origins was a continually increasing brain size, culminating in that of homo sapiens. With the development of the human brain, the nature and rate of evolution were permanently altered: with the introduction of the uniquely human factors of consciousness, intentionality, freedom and creativity, biological evolution was recast as social and cultural evolution.


Prior to Benedict XVI's 2007 comments, Pope John Paul II also said evolution was "effectively proven fact."

John Paul II in 1996:

"In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points."

A list showing the RCC acceptance of evolution:

1. Humani Generis, an official papal encyclical by Pope Pious XII which allows evolution.
2. Interpretation of Humani Generis by Pope John Paul II, just in case anyone was unclear that Humani Generis allows for evolution
3. The fact that evolution is openly taught by Catholic teachers to Catholic students in Catholic Universities and Schools, this means that the Catholic church teaches evolution to more people than any other worldwide group - religious or secular. The Catholic church teaches evolution to thousands of times more people than all atheist groups combined.
4. Confirmation of open support of evolution by the Vatican in a commissioned report chaired by Pope Emeritus Benedict, saying evolution is "virtually certain",
5. Many of the most outspoken evolution supporters are Catholic, such as Ken Miller, Dr. Ayayla, etc.
6. Clear statements from the last three Popes (Francis, Benedict, JPII) in support of Evolution over Creationism.

Note that the list includes at least three popes, an official encyclical, a Vatican commission report, and the actions of thousands of Catholic officials doing their jobs, right now.

In fact, the Catholic church is the largest single institution teaching evolution worldwide today. Nobody else teaches evolution to as many kids, young adults, adults and elderly as the Catholic church does, every day.



Creationists have been saying that for decades, and it's just as false now as it was 50 years ago. Practically all scientists (including thousands who are Christians) support evolution, and this support is even stronger today than it was in the past, because discovery after discovery has confirmed evolution. The DNA evidence itself is overwhelming - not that it was needed.



But none of that has anything to do with evolution. Creationists try to get us to equate evolution with atheism, but that's just as silly as equating gravity with atheism. Evolution, just like gravity, germs, atoms, and other parts of science that are both facts and theories, is fully consistent with Christian faith.

Take your time. Read the statements from the Popes above, and especially ask your priest. We Catholics have nothing to fear from evolution - that's why it's a Catholic position.

In Christ-

Papias

Actually Papias, we have been over this repeatedly and HUMANI GENERIS has never been an endorsement of theistic evolution but a warning of these dangers:

1. Christian culture being attacked on all sides
2. men easily persuade themselves in such matters that what they do not wish to believe is false or at least doubtful
5.Some imprudently and indiscreetly hold that evolution, which has not been fully proved even in the domain of natural sciences, explains the origin of all things,
6. Such fictitious tenets of evolution which repudiate all that is absolute, firm and immutable, have paved the way for the new erroneous philosophy
7. There is also a certain historicism, which attributing value only to the events of man's life, overthrows the foundation of all truth and absolute law, both on the level of philosophical speculations and especially to Christian dogmas.
10. desirous of novelty, and fearing to be considered ignorant of recent scientific findings, try to withdraw themselves from the sacred Teaching Authority and are accordingly in danger of gradually departing from revealed truth and of drawing others along with them into error.
11. some questioned whether the traditional apologetics of the Church did not constitute an obstacle rather than a help to the winning of souls for Christ
12 the removal of which would bring about the union of all, but only to their destruction.
17. things (truths of the faith) may be replaced by conjectural notions and by some formless and unstable tenets of a new philosophy, tenets which, like the flowers of the field, are in existence today and die tomorrow;
22. For some go so far as to pervert the sense of the Vatican Council's definition that God is the author of Holy Scripture, and they put forward again the opinion, already often condemned, which asserts that immunity from error extends only to those parts of the Bible that treat of God or of moral and religious matters.
28. These and like errors, it is clear, have crept in among certain of Our sons who are deceived by imprudent zeal for souls or by false science. To them We are compelled with grief to repeat once again truths already well known, and to point out with solicitude clear errors and dangers of error.​

In other words, Humani Generis is warning against the dangers of theistic evolution. This one statement is enough to reject Darwinian evolution based on the doctrine of original sin alone:

37. When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own. (Humani Generis 37)
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Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[mark kennedy]

All previous "evidence" for evolution is slowly being disregarded discarded.The actual theory as a whole is quietly being abandoned within the scientific community, though this fact is not know to many. There are too many holes in the theorjy of evolution that it would be wrong to call it fact.

I enjoyed the post, it was lucid and thoughtful, just wanted to point a couple of things out that are commonly overlooked. First of all Evolution isn't a theory, it's actually a phenomenon where traits change in populations over time. The Grizzly Bear and the Polar Bear can still bear off spring so it's a good guess the Polar Bears evolved to adapt to the arctic but that is divine providence, not Darwinian evolution. Darwinism is the a priori (without prior) assumption of universal common ancestry by exclusively naturalistic means going all the way back to the Big Bang. They try to take the scientific definition of evolutionary biology, which is really just adaptation, and sneak Darwinian naturalistic assumptions in with it:

All change in the organic, as well as in the inorganic world, being the result of law, and not of miraculous interposition. (Darwin On the Origin of Species)
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That's the problem, not evolution but Darwinian naturalistic assumptions which have never been anything other then one long argument against special creation. I debated this at length with Papias, if your interested in some of the particulars you might find this of interest:

Does the Roman Catholic Church Condemn Theistic Evolution?

There's a lot of quotes from the catechisms and encyclicals and some of the things allowed and not allowed for Catholics.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[AdamSK]

I don't have access to the data with me now, nor will you find it on the internet, but you can watch biologist Mike Snavely's DVD series on evolution. He actually goes step by step into the math in there.

Why do you call Mike Snavely a biologist? Does he hold a professorship in biology? Does he have a lab position doing research in biology? Does he have a PhD in biology? Has he had papers published in peer reviewed biology journals?

You should stop making claims about what the math shows if you can't actually provide the math.

 

[AdamSK]

Evolution, interesting flys in the face of the law of degradation, where things, slow down, grow old, rust and decay.

Please quote a biology or physics textbook defining the "law of degradation."

 

[AdamSK]

I haven't thoroughly gotten into the science behind it all, my brain isn't big enough, but I have read many different volumes on evolution and done various research and have come to my own conclusion about it; that it is not consistent.

Are all of these "volumes" written by creationists?

 

[Gregory Mallett]

Are all of these "volumes" written by creationists?

Some of them, yes. Others, no. I want to see what both sides have to say. Some of the creationist books were actually written by ex-atheists who point out all the flaws quite lucidly because they been on the other side and know what their talking about.

I've read some really biased ID books and I've read some really biased evolutionist books, but the flaws I've observed remain the same.