Is there an answer to this question?

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Is mass physical?

What does "physical" mean in this context?

 

[dad]

What does "physical" mean in this context?

I didn't raise that issue, if I recall, the poster did. I pointed out how spirits have no mass as science thinks of it, so can laugh at light speed.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

I didn't raise that issue, if I recall, the poster did. I pointed out how spirits have no mass as science thinks of it, so can laugh at light speed.

Excuse me, what is your reason for asserting spirits have no mass as science thinks of it?

 

[dad]

Excuse me, what is your reason for asserting spirits have no mass as science thinks of it?

Science doesn't deal in spirits, it deals in the physical. The things spirits are known to do are not physical. They are not bound by physical speed limits or anything else.

 

[Loudmouth]

Science doesn't deal in spirits, it deals in the physical. The things spirits are known to do are not physical. They are not bound by physical speed limits or anything else.

Science deals with things that are evidenced. There is no evidence for spirits. All of the characteristics that you assign to spirits are completely unevidenced and based on faith based beliefs.

From what I have seen, your views are very modern. In the past, no one thought that spirits were non-physical or beyond the reach of evidence. Only in recent times has this view become popular. As science found more and more evidence for natural processes in nature, there was a movement to invent a supernatural realm where beliefs could be protected from questioning. It isn't that science can not detect supernatural beings. Rather, it is humans who won't allow their beliefs to be tested or questioned.

 

[stevevw]

Some say that science can prove God or at least that there is another dimension besides our own reality.

Does Quantum Physics Prove God's Existence?
There are several metaphysical approaches to use quantum physics to try to "prove" the existence of God within the current framework of physical knowledge and, of them, this is one which seems among the most intriguing and most difficult to shake, because it's got a lot of compelling components to it. Basically, this takes some valid insights into how the Copenhagen interpretation works, some knowledge of the Participatory Anthropic Principle (PAP), and finds a way to insert God into the universe as a necessary component to the universe.
Does Quantum Physics Prove God's Existence?


What do you get if you divide science by God?
A prize-winning quantum physicist says a spiritual reality is veiled from us, and science offers a glimpse behind that veil. So how do scientists investigating the fundamental nature of the universe assess any role of God, asks Mark Vernon.BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | What do you get if you divide science by God?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Science doesn't deal in spirits, it deals in the physical. The things spirits are known to do are not physical. They are not bound by physical speed limits or anything else.

You aren't telling me how you know this to be true. You are simply asserting this to be true. I take it you cannot tell me how you know this to be true, you cannot cite evidence.

 

[dad]

Science deals with things that are evidenced.

No it denies things that are evidenced like God and spirits and Scripture!

You seek to redefine the word evidence to fit only into a box of your choosing. 'if we do not call it evidence, and don't see it in a test tube under our hairy noses, it just doesn't exist'!

There is no evidence for spirits.

History screams out from all parts of the planet 'of course there are spirits' actually. Jesus proved there were, by casting some bad ones out.

All of the characteristics that you assign to spirits are completely unevidenced and based on faith based beliefs.

All of the characteristics that you refuse to assign to spirits are completely unevidenced and based on faith based beliefs. Your incredulity and a few dollars may get you a tin hat.

From what I have seen, your views are very modern. In the past, no one thought that spirits were non-physical or beyond the reach of evidence.

The Bible actually delineates that pretty clearly. You are making stuff up.

Only in recent times has this view become popular. As science found more and more evidence for natural processes in nature, there was a movement to invent a supernatural realm where beliefs could be protected from questioning.

That something that came to you in a dream? Get a grip.

It isn't that science can not detect supernatural beings.

Yes it is! Exactly that. Be honest.

Rather, it is humans who won't allow their beliefs to be tested or questioned.

Now you want to pretend science could test for spirits. You seem to be losing it here.

 

[dad]

You aren't telling me how you know this to be true. You are simply asserting this to be true. I take it you cannot tell me how you know this to be true, you cannot cite evidence.

The heaven of heavens where God is is beyond the space we know, you with me so far?


By the way, I was thinking today a good definition for space.


'Space is something God made to give us space to repent'

 

[Hank]

Prolly to late, and I did not read all pages.

Anyway, Apostle Paul sums it up pretty good:
For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith. For Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those who are called, Jews and Greeks alike, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
1 Cor. 1:21-25 (NAB)

And there it is. Wisdom will not find God, only faith. Therefore there is no good or best argument pro/con; one either has faith or has none.

this post is supposed to be here
http://www.christianforums.com/t7876328/
I wont post this twice, just for those reading it here, just ignore it.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

The heaven of heavens where God is is beyond the space we know, you with me so far?


By the way, I was thinking today a good definition for space.


'Space is something God made to give us space to repent'

I'm not seeing you give us evidence yet.

 

[dad]

I'm not seeing you give us evidence yet.

We need to see if you believe there is an actual heaven beyond space or not.

You addressed this

"Science doesn't deal in spirits, it deals in the physical. The things spirits are known to do are not physical. They are not bound by physical speed limits or anything else."

Once we see if you admit what the bible indicates about heaven, then it is a simple matter of proving Gabriel from the throne of God there, came here!

 

[talquin]

Why is logic true?

If love is real how much does it weigh? Because surely every material thing has a mass and could, at least in theory, be weighed.

Something doesn't need to have weight to be real.

Examples:

Gravity
Feelings
A presidential term
An assassination attempt

 

[Loudmouth]

No it denies things that are evidenced like God and spirits and Scripture!

Then show us the evidence.

You seek to redefine the word evidence to fit only into a box of your choosing. 'if we do not call it evidence, and don't see it in a test tube under our hairy noses, it just doesn't exist'!
History screams out from all parts of the planet 'of course there are spirits' actually. Jesus proved there were, by casting some bad ones out.

In other words, you don't have any evidence. Thanks for playing.

 

[dad]

Then show us the evidence.

You can't see so why ask to be shown? You call evidence something other than what God gave us. Why peddle dreams?

Those who deny without evidence give a hollow show when they hypocritically clammer for evidence! Especiallly when they have sought to redefine evidence as to what they happen to feel like rejecting for NO reason!

 

[Loudmouth]

You can't see so why ask to be shown?

Since you can't present the evidence, it appears you can't see, either.

Those who deny without evidence give a hollow show when they hypocritically clammer for evidence! Especiallly when they have sought to redefine evidence as to what they happen to feel like rejecting for NO reason!

Just more excuses for why you don't have any evidence.

 

[dad]

Since you can't present the evidence, it appears you can't see, either.

I drink the water of God, and just because some horse was led there and will not drink it doesn't mean there is no water.

Just more excuses for why you don't have any evidence.

I truly wish there was a stiff fine for abusing the word evidence.

 

[Tinker Grey]

You'd be broke.

 

[Loudmouth]

sorry, already responded to that post.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

How do you personally define what an equals sign is ?

Well, that would vary from time to time. I could say 2 + 2 = 4. Or I could say the two expressions are not equal, because one is more complex than the other.

So your question is not simple. We have our traditional usages and normally that's enough.