Is there an answer to this question?

[MoreCoffee]

Are you not capable of explaining it?

Already done.

 

[sandybay]

Somebody voicing an opinion about my post is not the same thing as being right about it.

I don't think you would know or care whether something was right, wrong, true or false, you are still going to believe what you want to believe no matter what.

Truth is the first casualty of religion as well as war, when religion enters truth by necessity must leave.
Lies can not be believed if truth is still around, it kind of gets in the way.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I don't think you would know or care whether something was right, wrong, true or false, you are still going to believe what you want to believe no matter what.

Truth is the first casualty of religion as well as war, when religion enters truth by necessity must leave.
Lies can not be believed if truth is still around, it kind of gets in the way.

Since it is all "in the mind" as a "substrate" as one post said, what does it matter anyway?

 

[sandybay]

I don't think you would know or care whether something was right, wrong, true or false, you are still going to believe what you want to believe no matter what.

Truth is the first casualty of religion as well as war, when religion enters truth by necessity must leave.
Lies can not be believed if truth is still around, it kind of gets in the way.

Since it is all "in the mind" as a "substrate" as one post said, what does it matter anyway?

Unfortunately for everyone around you you act on the silly things going on "in your mind".

 

[MoreCoffee]

Unfortunately for everyone around you you act on the silly things going on "in your mind".

Yes, a great misfortune for the poor of my city who receive bedding, shelter, and food and for those in the holy lands who receive funds to help them rebuild after their homes are destroyed by Israeli missiles and a terrible fate for the refugees from Myanmar who cannot work because they now reside in Thailand where the laws forbid them work. I ought to repent in sackcloth and ashes for acting on what I believe. It would be so much better were I to act on a materialist philosophy which cannot tell me if it is good to help these people oppressed by poverty because they are of no special value and their suffering has no meaning objectively speaking - in fact nothing has any objective meaning at all - so let's be sure never to value mercy never to count faith as meaningful or good in a universe that is all mechanism and no purpose with no love except as a concept that doesn't "exist".

 

[SteveB28]

Yes, a great misfortune for the poor of my city who receive bedding, shelter, and food and for those in the holy lands who receive funds to help them rebuild after their homes are destroyed by Israeli missiles and a terrible fate for the refugees from Myanmar who cannot work because they now reside in Thailand where the laws forbid them work. I ought to repent in sackcloth and ashes for acting on what I believe. It would be so much better were I to act on a materialist philosophy which cannot tell me if it is good to help these people oppressed by poverty because they are of no special value and their suffering has no meaning objectively speaking - in fact nothing has any objective meaning at all - so let's be sure never to value mercy never to count faith as meaningful or good in a universe that is all mechanism and no purpose with no love except as a concept that doesn't "exist".

Are you suggesting that it is only the religious that extend those mercies to the unfortunate among us? Surely you are aware that there are many secular agencies who act with similar concern?

That being the case, there must be some factor which stands outside of any particular religious connection which may so motivate people.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Are you suggesting that it is only the religious that extend those mercies to the unfortunate among us? Surely you are aware that there are many secular agencies who act with similar concern?

That being the case, there must be some factor which stands outside of any particular religious connection which may so motivate people.

No, the context supplies information that your reply evidently missed.

 

[whois]

Truth is the first casualty of religion as well as war, when religion enters truth by necessity must leave.
Lies can not be believed if truth is still around, it kind of gets in the way.

truth?
truth is, in beauty there is no truth.

edit:
when it comes to war, there are 2 causes:
1. i want what you got.
or
2. i'm better than you.

 

[sandybay]

when it comes to war, there are 2 causes:
1. i want what you got.
or
2. i'm better than you.

There are lots more causes than that:
I need to do something because my poll numbers have gone through the floor,
or
If we don't use all these armaments we have stockpiled we won't have any room for what we make next year,
or
What's the point of developing all of these fantastic weapons if you don't have a war and try them out,
or
If you don't start a war soon then hundreds of thousands of people will be unemployed,
or
My God is real and your God is not,
or
We don't know who did that but we have just got to attack someone soon if only to be seen to be doing something,
or
If we let their stupid religion spread our wonderful religion will eventually cease to exist.

The reasons to go to war are constrained only by my lack of imagination.

 

[dad]

Why is logic true?

If love is real how much does it weigh? Because surely every material thing has a mass and could, at least in theory, be weighed.

If one wept over a loved one, the tears weigh something. If one carried a load for a loved one, the load weighs something. The cross weighed something. Since God is love therefore love must be God also, and He is a spirit, one would not expect weight for love itself, but only in some of the forms and expressions it takes.

 

[crjmurray]

There are lots more causes than that:
I need to do something because my poll numbers have gone through the floor,
or
If we don't use all these armaments we have stockpiled we won't have any room for what we make next year,
or
What's the point of developing all of these fantastic weapons if you don't have a war and try them out,
or
If you don't start a war soon then hundreds of thousands of people will be unemployed,
or
My God is real and your God is not,
or
We don't know who did that but we have just got to attack someone soon if only to be seen to be doing something,
or
If we let their stupid religion spread our wonderful religion will eventually cease to exist.

The reasons to go to war are constrained only by my lack of imagination.

 

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[SkyWriting]

Why is logic true?

If love is real how much does it weigh? Because surely every material thing has a mass and could, at least in theory, be weighed.

Logic in not "true" as far as I know.

"Love" is due to free will and free-will has no notable mass properties.
If you could weigh electrons, perhaps love would be a bit mass-ier.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

Why is logic true? Very easy.

A = A.

As long as you remember that, logic will always reign true until A no longer equals A.

 

[variant]

Why is logic true?

Logic isn't true, logic is a tool we have observed helps us relate true conclusions from true premises.

If love is real how much does it weigh? Because surely every material thing has a mass and could, at least in theory, be weighed.

To be a materialist you don't have to think love has weight, but that it is derived from things that are material.

Love is like other ideas a set of relationships, or the self experience of a dynamic physical system.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

Logic isn't true, logic is a tool we have observed helps us relate true conclusions from true premises.

I guess using the word "true" is bad. And Logic is also a human concept. But what I mean was logic tells us A will always be A and will never be not A. So I meant to illustrate that logic can be trusted to help us draw conclusions and therefor can be considered true at some point.

 

[TillICollapse]

Why is logic true? Very easy.

A = A.

As long as you remember that, logic will always reign true until A no longer equals A.

Logic can remain consistent and valid while facilitating a false conclusion. Logic in and of itself isn't technically "true", as logic doesn't dictate what is necessarily a true result or not. It's a method to determine truth. A logical argument can be logically valid, yet have a false premise. Thus, in that regard, if you wanted to say, "Logic is true" in regards to it's consistency or validity in a given context, I suppose you could say that, but it's not really applicable. That's like saying, "eyesight is true" or something. It's not really applicable. The result and conclusion can be false, while the system or method itself is still "functioning" I suppose you could say.

Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[variant]

I guess using the word "true" is bad. And Logic is also a human concept. But what I mean was logic tells us A will always be A and will never be not A. So I meant to illustrate that logic can be trusted to help us draw conclusions and therefor can be considered true at some point.

That is a conclusion that we observe to be true using logic.

Therefore logic.

...Logic <- is not a proper conclusion.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

I see your point

 

[MoreCoffee]

I think folk are getting all weird about logic. Saying that logic is true is the same as affirming that the law of noncontradiction is true. Or that the rules of logic are true. To deny these things seems self defeating - especially if you try to use logic to show how untrue logic really is.