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Sin has no place with God ...
do you even know where sin originated in creation?
You don't give much consideration to the Bible do you?
The redemption of the human race from sin, and its consequences. The creation of a new civilization, on a hew heavens and a new earth. It's all contained in the bible.But we don't know what God's 'greater good' is.
that is one way to look at it. YHVH has a better way. One that leads to life.We have to play the cards we are dealt.
It could be that the holocaust will lead, as far as God is concerned, to some greater good.
We'll sure live with the consequences of a human genocide.But we aren't party to that.
Yet the human race apparently has no problem creating genocidal madness.So we justifiably find it difficult to express how immoral it was.
I encourage you to look into the global reset, Georgia Guidestones, and 2030 agenda.The word doesn't seem sufficient. And we will all do our best to prevent horrors like that happening again.
Indeed. Yet there are people on earth who have decided that only 500 million people are allowed to live on earth in their ideal world.Because, and this is almost a trite thing to say about it, harm was done. With zero greater good that any sane person could propose. Therefore it was immoral.
So that's what I use to determine what an immoral act is. And pretty much that's what everyone else does. If no harm is done then it can't possibly be immoral. And if harm is done, then - depending on the specific circumstances, it will be immoral. And who makes that decision?
There are two choices and two only. Either someone does it for you. Or you do it yourself. Which do you use?
And you didn't answer my question. God said that the punishment for adultry (and quite a few other acts, such as working on the Sabath and homosexuality), is death. Now I've read the bible as well. Not as much as you. But I can't recall seeing any passage where He recinded those punishments. As far as I know, they still stand. Now I like a day off as much as the next guy. But I don't expect to be stoned to death if I'm out buying fuel.
The question I need you to ask is: Do you think that any civilised society should impose such rules - and why aren't they applicable now (assuming that you feel that they aren't)?
The redemption of the human race from sin, and its consequences. The creation of a new civilization, on a hew heavens and a new earth. It's all contained in the bible.
that is one way to look at it. YHVH has a better way. One that leads to life.
In fact, he actually warned us
I call heaven and earth to witness against you! I have set before you life and death. Therefore, choose life!
The human race is running headlong towards its self destruction. Take a look at Russia and the Ukraine right now. Putin's war against the president and his citizens is totally unprovoked. Putin has unilaterally decided that Zelenskyy is a modern day Hitler. He's already killed thousands of Ukrainian people, and has attacked the largest nuclear power plant in the Ukraine. The news is reporting that if it blows, it'll be 10 times more destructive than Chernobyl.
We'll sure live with the consequences of a human genocide.
Yet the human race apparently has no problem creating genocidal madness.
In Georgia, USA, there is a Stonehenge like display, describing the ideal world for humanity. One of the key factors is a planet wide population of 500,000,000. That's 500 million people. Presently, there's 7.875 billion people on earth. I did a basic calculation. This is a deliberate 93.6% reduction in the human population. So whoever the people are who put up the Georgia Guidestones has no problem whatsoever with creating a genocide beyond anything before.
I encourage you to look into the global reset, Georgia Guidestones, and 2030 agenda.
Indeed. Yet there are people on earth who have decided that only 500 million people are allowed to live on earth in their ideal world.
I want to encourage you to watch this video. It'll challenge your beliefs, your thinking, and the politics that are growing today.
Calvary Chapel Chino Hills - Happening Now featuring Charlie Kirk (March 2022) | Facebook
YHVH's Law.Thanks, but no videos. It's you I'm talking to. Not Charlie. But all that and you didn't at any time address how we determine immoral acts. Can you think about that?
So, by loving YHVH with a whole heart, soul and mind, and loving your neighbor as you love yourself, you will satisfy the righteousness of the law of YHVH.
I'm pretty sure that 90% of the human race would have several problems with it.I think you'll find that a fair proportion of the planet will have a problem with the first. As will I.
Actually, I think it's the foundation upon which all the other commandments are built.So that won't help determine morality.
That's rather amusing. Jesus said that these two commandments sum up the entirety of the law and prophets.But the second is a good step forward. I always recommend it myself. But it doesn't cover all moral problems. Just the ones where I have to think about how I treat others. And in that particular case, I will grant leave for others to do what I think is acceptable. And (up to a point) deny them doing what I think is unacceptable.
YHVH said what is right and wrong.So I still have to determine what is right or wrong before I can determine if someone else is acting morally or immorally.
Generally, if I think it's OK then I'll have no reason to deny someone else thinking the same. So if I think that euthenasia is acceptable then I have to allow my neighbour the right to take his own life in certain conditions.
If he thinks it's wrong then he'll need a good argument to convince me.
Scripture doesn’t limit its reasons against sin to “just because it’s wrong.” It also includes “because it’s stupid” since sin’s consequences are so severe. “
It would seem 'stupid' to me to prolong a life for a short time when that time would be spent in pain and misery. So I can use scripture to justify all that I consider to be 'stupid'.
What's this about?It would seem 'stupid' to me to prolong a life for a short time when that time would be spent in pain and misery. So I can use scripture to justify all that I consider to be 'stupid'.
What's this about?
You need to define what you mean by "absolute".Are acts wrong in themselves? Or does it depend on the context?
And many people say that morality is then subjective then because of this, etc.Some things might always be considered wrong, aka "absolute", etc, but are also permissible under certain situations and circumstances, etc, and many wonder if that still makes them wrong or not, etc? And therein lies the problem, etc.
God Bless.
I think you'll find that a fair proportion of the planet will have a problem with the first. As will I. So that won't help determine morality. But the second is a good step forward. I always recommend it myself. But it doesn't cover all moral problems. Just the ones where I have to think about how I treat others. And in that particular case, I will grant leave for others to do what I think is acceptable. And (up to a point) deny them doing what I think is unacceptable.
So I still have to determine what is right or wrong before I can determine if someone else is acting morally or immorally. Generally, if I think it's OK then I'll have no reason to deny someone else thinking the same. So if I think that euthenasia is acceptable then I have to allow my neighbour the right to take his own life in certain conditions.
If he thinks it's wrong then he'll need a good argument to convince me.
Why do you and others (who do not believe in God) think this way? Why do you/we care about others? Was it because it was taught/learned by social behavior? Why do some not care about others?Just the ones where I have to think about how I treat others.
I think it's funny when those who say that there are then never any moral absolutes ever, or say that morality is always subjective, etc, seek to then condemn a God for something like say "genocide", or something like that maybe, without considering all the very, very unique circumstances and situations that only one who is a God can be put in, etc.And many people say that morality is then subjective then because of this, etc.
But I'm not here to argue who is either wrong, or is else right about that, etc.
In a world that is both good and bad, it can all get confused, etc.
And we often have to determine that on the fly, or as those situations present themselves, etc.
And no one always gets it 100% right all of time and always, etc.
And that is just life, etc.
The most we can do is learn and grow from it, and allow ourselves to be changed for the better by it, etc.
I think that's what this world is for right now, etc.
God Bless.
Such questions always make me think of women's breasts. A human baby is born utterly dependent on a maternal instinct.Why do you and others (who do not believe in God) think this way? Why do you/we care about others? Was it because it was taught/learned by social behavior? Why do some not care about others?
The bible teaches that basic morality is instilled in everyone (knowing the basic differences between right and wrong). That is ... Without God there is no reason for morality of any kind.
Why do many of us (if not most) have a guilty conscience? Some may choose to ignore their guilty conscience (sense of wrong) but that is not to say they don't have one.
So, science says ....
An obvious answer is that we have learned to do so through socialization, that is, our behaviors were shaped from birth onward originally by our families, and then onward through our preschools, and almost everything we contacted in our environments. Morality is an inner sense of rightness about our behavior and the behavior of others ... and they vary.
Where did this original "inner sense of rightness" of the parent/families come from or start? Trial and failure?
You haven't read the thread, have you?Why do you and others (who do not believe in God) think this way? Why do you/we care about others? Was it because it was taught/learned by social behavior? Why do some not care about others?
The bible teaches that basic morality is instilled in everyone (knowing the basic differences between right and wrong). That is ... Without God there is no reason for morality of any kind.
Why do many of us (if not most) have a guilty conscience? Some may choose to ignore their guilty conscience (sense of wrong) but that is not to say they don't have one.
So, science says ....
An obvious answer is that we have learned to do so through socialization, that is, our behaviors were shaped from birth onward originally by our families, and then onward through our preschools, and almost everything we contacted in our environments. Morality is an inner sense of rightness about our behavior and the behavior of others ... and they vary.
Where did this original "inner sense of rightness" of the parent/families come from or start? Trial and failure?
For a human, it probably always is, but maybe might not be always for One who is a God, etc."Genocide is always wrong!"
"Is that a subjective opinion?"
God Bless.
However ... there are some religions that do not believe genocide is wrong ... rather they are doing the will of their god."Genocide is always wrong!"
"Is that a subjective opinion?"
God Bless.
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