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Is there a wrong way to pray?

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I believe that Jesus is an exception to the rule. For Jesus is God. He said it for the benefit so that those around Him might believe. Jesus would know that His prayer would benefit them because He is God. So that is why He prayed in the way that He did. We cannot know if our prayer would benefit those around us (if we were to pray openly). We cannot know men's hearts and thoughts like Jesus. Jesus was also worshiped, but that does not mean we are to have others worship us (of which I am sure you would agree). I believe Christians can pray together, but this is not the same thing as praying in front of a large crowd or boasting in one's prayer. If this was not the case, then Jesus' teaching in praying in private would not mean anything.

So if you told us your prayers are not always answered, if at all, would that be from humility? I've seen people on the forums almost brag about being a wretched sinner. Should we call ourselves sinners, or sons and daughters of God. Does truth matter? If you say you are a follower of Christ, is that bragging? If you affirm that the scriptures are true, is that a sin?
 
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Hi Jason,

Speaking of protection of houses...this is long, but well worth the read. Enjoy!

When it all came out that my husband was having an affair with the wife of his best friend and he wanted a divorce and buy me out of the house, I knew I would have to move to a less expensive part of the country. I wanted nothing to do with the divorce so I never signed anything, nor went to court. It went through my default. I just let my husband do all the sinning.

I looked at houses on the internet in towns across the country where I already had a friend or relative. Unfortunately Illinois where I grew up had very high property tax rates due to the crime in government, and not much house for the money. (Guess where Obama came from?) I got advice from my old accountant in California that the south has more for you money and low property taxes. I had one friend in Tennessee, my ex-sister-in-law from my first (of two) marriage, I kiddingly called my "outlaw." She lived in Murfreesboro. So I looked at houses in Murfreesboro on the internet. Amazingly, the only job I could find in Arizona where my husband and I lived was WalMart - the only business in the area where I could transfer to Murfreesboro! So I went to the bank and obtained a pre-approved loan and they told me the highest price of house they would approve was $92,000 at 9% interest, the same as my husband's new loan interest. I was going to let God direct my steps. If I couldn't find a house in one area, I'd come back and look elsewhere. I printed off copies of fronts of houses for sale and saw most were with the same realtor. (Note: every time I was on the computer looking at houses I kept seeing a picture in my head of a backyard. It was like a pencil drawing. Large rectangle long yard with large trees at the far back and on each side was bordered with pine trees. It would just pop into my head. I figured it was my "wish.") So when it came about time to move, I called my "outlaw" and told her my plan. She offered to let me stay at her place while I looked for a house. So then I called the realtor and said I needed a two day appt. on Thursday and Friday of the next week (leaving Arizona on Tues. morning and told him the details of my loan allowance.

Tuesday morning came and my husband came into where I was sleeping sometime after 7:00 and said I had a phone call. It was one of my good Christian girlfriends in the area. She said turn on the TV - you can't move! So I turned on the TV in time to see the Twin Towers burning - it was 9/11. I didn't know what to do, but knew God was in control so at 3:00 pm I decided to head across the country driving my van. I figured, God can't steer a parked car.

I arrived at my outlaw's at 2:00 am in the morning Thursday and slept in the van. The realtor would be there in a few hours to look for a 3 bedroom, 2 bath on 1/2 to 1 acre.

The realtor whose name was Mr. Bugg (honest!) showed me a lot of houses, but they were all $98,500 or more. I was using $92,000 as God's ceiling also, to know which house He approved. Sort of as a fleece, and wouldn't budge higher. For two days we searched, looking at a lot of houses to get an idea of what I liked and didn't like, and the different areas of the town. At the end, nothing. It was late Friday evening. I told Mr. Bugg there was one house that doesn't seem to be on the market but I brought a picture of it from the web-site and was always drawn to it. So he took me to see it, and yes, it was in foreclosure but off the market for repairs. I thanked Mr. Bugg for all his help and was sorry I couldn't find God's house. He and I had talked and talked about the Lord, and he scolded me many times for thinking God actually leads us personally, and not just strictly through the Word. I just said, I can't go against this ceiling. So we left that last house, and driving out of the neighborhood, I saw one of his realtor signs on a brick home, and said, oh, look, their's one of your signs. He stopped and stared at the house and said he's never seen it before. He was puzzled and got out to get one of the flyers, and looked back at me, and said, I think this may be your house. It had been on the market for 102 days and no one had even looked, so it was reduced to $95,500, the closest to my ceiling. I could at least put an offer on it. So, we looked at the 3 bedroom, 2 bath, brick home with attached garage on 3/4 of an acre, and I told him to offer $92,000, and he drove me back to my outlaw's, and said he would call me. Saturday morning he called and got a counter offer of (95,000). I thanked him, and said, well I guess I'll have to head back to Arizona. So my outlaw and I went shopping all day and caught up, putting the dream of living there out of my head. We got back to her house and opened the door. I suddenly heard God interrupt my thoughts and clearly said "split the difference." I jumped, and told outlaw. I didn't know where the extra $1,500 was going to come from to secure the loan, but I called Mr. Bugg and told him what happened. So offer $93,500 and tell him I would split the difference. Sunday morning Mr. Bugg called and told me "Congratulations!"

Monday morning I went to the bank, which, of course, had been closed since 9/11, and told them I had found a house and my offer of $93,500 was accepted to see what she could do. She recalculated the loan, now using the new interest rate that had plummeted across America, and said, at the new rate of 6% they could fund the loan, the difference was $1,500. God is in control!!!

A week after I moved in I went out on my back deck and finally had a good look at the view, and it hit me! It was long and rectangle (200 ft of lawn from the back edge of the house, with a natural wooded area with creek behind the lawn, and large trees for 50 feet beyond the lawn. And there were 23 pine trees bordering the property on each side.

One day I got a phone call from my next door neighbor telling me there was a tornado coming so get in an inner bathtub and hope for the best. I thanked her, but told her God gave me this house, I'm going back to bed and am not going to worry about it. The next day there were trees down all over the neighborhood, even at my next door neighbor's, but not a twig down in my yard.

And I still sleep through tornado warnings. He's in control of this house and my life.

By the way, my husband's loan is still at 9%. Even though he married his mistress, he didn't want to refinance and share ownership. It is all his, and so is his sin.
Thats a wonderful testimony
Our Father is so very good.

And ya want scripture....;) they over came ..by" the word of thier testimony "...
 
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Matthew 6 is clear that we are to pray behind closed doors. It is something we should not boast in doing. Read Matthew 6 several times in prayer.
We... Denotes there can be more then one behind that door ;)
 
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Ad hominems is not biblical proof of what you say is true. The Bible is where I got my faith, and it is how I build my faith. If it is not in the Bible, I strive not to partake of it.
Do you actually do faith ?
I mean ya know..do you lay hands on the sick?
Or does one hide behind thier closed door so they dont bave to do any actual work if faith.
 
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Let’s please address the topic at hand with Scripture.
Sure.. Your looking at the letter of it.
Not the spirit of it
The spirit of the words of Jesus is about the motive of ones heart when it comes to prayer.
The way you take it in the letter would mean if your poor and dont have a room with a closet, you can never pray..

So its silly to say thats what he meant.
It misses the spirit of his words.

In the book of acts they ALL gathered im one place praying "Aloud"..

In another place they were all gathered in s house praying for peters release from prison.
"Aloud"
How are we to let every word we speak edify (build up)faith in the hearer? By bearing testimony to the faithfullness of God.
Not by keeping silent because "YOU" dont want to boast ..thats the epitome of false humility.
 
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I am not interested in extra biblical accounts. I am only interested in biblical support for the practice. For me: If it is not in Scripture, it does not exist.
If there are no extra biblical accounts..that is evidence that there is no practice of that which is happening.
One leads to the other.

If a person cannot testify of the reality of the power of God in thier life. Its a pretty big indication they dont have the reality of the power of God in thier life...
..
 
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If there are no extra biblical accounts..that is evidence that there is no practice of that which is happening.
One leads to the other.

If a person cannot testify of the reality of the power of God in thier life. Its a pretty big indication they dont have the reality of the power of God in thier life...
..

The Bible testifies of a believer’s fruit, but this is a part of the faith that we have in God’s Word that He gave us.

Angels do not rejoice when a miracle is done. For it does not cost God anything to do a miracle. But it cost God the Father’s Son with his blood being spilled to save us. This why angels rejoice over when one sinner that repents.
 
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Sure.. Your looking at the letter of it.
Not the spirit of it

You are misquoting 2 Corinthians 3:6.

“Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” (2 Corinthians 3:6).

Paul was talking about himself and the apostles. They were made ministers by the Spirit and not by the Torah (which is the letter that kills because if one murdered, they themselves could be killed as a part of the Law). Surely they were not speaking against or referring to the written record of the gospels, Acts, the apostles’ instructional letters, etc.

Matthew 6:6 was not just about motivation. Jesus actually tells us to pray in privacy behind closed doors. Jesus never says that we can pray so as to be seen by many as long as our heart is in the right place.
 
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I used to believe that prayer was a simple static prayer to God.

But I have come to realize that a prayer is simply you having a conversation with your Father who is in Heaven. Of course this isn't exactly like a conversation you would have with a friend. You are expressing to God all your struggles, questions, and praises to Him. There is no one way to do this.

Of course, if you are praying to God in a disrespectful way then that is not the way to pray.

Praying to our Father shouldn't be a static prayer, because it is easy to fall into the pit of thinking it is because of how you pray that makes you better (works based salvation).

Rather it is not the prayer itself, but about God and yourself. As I said before, all you really are having is a conversation with God (for lack of better words).
 
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You are misquoting 2 Corinthians 3:6.

“Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” (2 Corinthians 3:6).

Paul was talking about himself and the apostles. They were made ministers by the Spirit and not by the Torah (which is the letter that kills because if one murdered, they themselves could be killed as a part of the Law). Surely they were not speaking against or referring to the written record of the gospels, Acts, the apostles’ instructional letters, etc.

Matthew 6:6 was not just about motivation. Jesus actually tells us to pray in privacy behind closed doors. Jesus never says that we can pray so as to be seen by many as long as our heart is in the right place.

Is someone writing out their prayers here for all to see, or just testifying that God's Word on answering prayer is true and through the Spirit can be 100%?

I sense you are in a very bad place today, and bound in some battle of the spirit. I'll pray for you tonight. Good night dear brother.
 
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The Bible testifies of a believer’s fruit, but this is a part of the faith that we have in God’s Word that He gave us.

Angels do not rejoice when a miracle is done. For it does not cost God anything to do a miracle. But it cost God the Father’s Son with his blood being spilled to save us. This why angels rejoice over when one sinner that repents.
You still think faith is some mystical undefinable thing you have?

Faith is to actually DO what Gods says because you truly believe him.
Faith is the action of obedience-..to be a doer of the word. As a result of believing it.
..anything else is disobedience.
That, is why "without faith it is impossible to pkease God"
 
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You are misquoting 2 Corinthians 3:6.

“Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” (2 Corinthians 3:6).

Paul was talking about himself and the apostles. They were made ministers by the Spirit and not by the Torah (which is the letter that kills because if one murdered, they themselves could be killed as a part of the Law). Surely they were not speaking against or referring to the written record of the gospels, Acts, the apostles’ instructional letters, etc.

Matthew 6:6 was not just about motivation. Jesus actually tells us to pray in privacy behind closed doors. Jesus never says that we can pray so as to be seen by many as long as our heart is in the right place.
Im not misquoting..im not quoting at all.
Im just pointing out..your missing the spirit of what Jesus was saying.
And it all sound theoretical ..
 
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You still think faith is some mystical undefinable thing you have?

Faith is to actually DO what Gods says because you truly believe him.
Faith is the action of obedience-..to be a doer of the word. As a result of believing it.
..anything else is disobedience.
That, is why "without faith it is impossible to pkease God"

Jason has left this thread, and probably won't be back. That is just what he does. Just let the Spirit work on him. He's in a bad place. Can't you sense that? None of our business what the cause is, just pray for him.
 
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Im not misquoting..im not quoting at all.
Im just pointing out..your missing the spirit of what Jesus was saying.
And it all sound theoretical ..

You were loosely quoting from that verse (Whether you realized it or not). Many say this statement and they use that verse out of context. Yes, there is a spiritual meaning behind Scripture that many do not get, but this is not the expense of what the text actually says. How can Christ's endorsement to pray behind closed doors be true, if we can also pray out in public openly like the religious (at that time) be true? For they pray so as to be seen by men. So that is why they pray in public. Jesus says to avoid this, pray in secret so that you may be rewarded openly.
 
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You still think faith is some mystical undefinable thing you have?

Faith is to actually DO what Gods says because you truly believe him.
Faith is the action of obedience-..to be a doer of the word. As a result of believing it.
..anything else is disobedience.
That, is why "without faith it is impossible to pkease God"

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).
The Word of God (is both the Living Word (Jesus) and the Communicated Word).
The communicated Word is the Bible.
This is how we derive our faith.
Without the Bible, we would have no faith.
 
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Jason has left this thread, and probably won't be back. That is just what he does. Just let the Spirit work on him. He's in a bad place. Can't you sense that? None of our business what the cause is, just pray for him.

Sorry, I disagree with you. I am not in a bad place at all. I am at peace with the Lord. I am standing on a more sure Word. The Bible. I do not seek to do anything on a spiritual level that is outside of His Word (the Scriptures).
 
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Sorry, I disagree with you. I am not in a bad place at all. I am at peace with the Lord. I am standing on a more sure Word. The Bible. I do not seek to do anything on a spiritual level that is outside of His Word (the Scriptures).

How you believe in Sola Scriptura is like an unused cookbook.

God is a great chef, and has put all his recipes into a wonderful cookbook, then when it is published, says now put my book on the shelf and don't try cooking any of the dishes. You are done eating, and I'm on vacation. Spiritually, that person is just skin and bones with no substance, let alone power from nutrition from eating the recipes. That is a Cessationist.
 
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How you believe in Sola Scriptura is like an unused cookbook.

God is a great chef, and has put all his recipes into a wonderful cookbook, then when it is published, says now put my book on the shelf and don't try cooking any of the dishes. You are done eating, and I'm on vacation. Spiritually, that person is just skin and bones with no substance, let alone power from nutrition from eating the recipes. That is a Cessationist.

Yes, I am a 99.9% Cessationist; Well, I prefer the term "Partial Cessationist" because I believe the gifts have partially ceased. I believe the working of miracles have partially ceased. For I believe God works gifts and miracles today. I just have not witnessed with my own two eyes these miracles or gifts as operating in any Charismatic churches personally. Most of the time, bad doctrine like the prosperity gospel rules them out in being genuine to begin with (among other bad doctrines and beliefs). But are there select individuals out there or some group in a jungle doing the works of God like the early apostles? Maybe. I don't know. I surely don't want to speak against God (Just in case I am wrong). But what I have seen and heard in the majority of the Charismatic movement is not of God or biblical.
 
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Yes, I am a 99.9% Cessationist; Well, I prefer the term "Partial Cessationist" because I believe the gifts have partially ceased. I believe the working of miracles have partially ceased. For I believe God works gifts and miracles today. I just have not witnessed with my own two eyes these miracles or gifts as operating in any Charismatic churches personally. Most of the time, bad doctrine like the prosperity gospel rules them out in being genuine to begin with (among other bad doctrines and beliefs). But are there select individuals out there or some group in a jungle doing the works of God like the early apostles? Maybe. I don't know. I surely don't want to speak against God (Just in case I am wrong). But what I have seen and heard in the majority of the Charismatic movement is not of God or biblical.

And I am in the same covenant as those of the first century - the Church. It is alive and well and not 99.9% dead, and teaching others the same unbelief.

I have seen miracles and by experience know the signs of Mark 16:16-18 and 1 Corinthians 12 are true, and have all of Mark 16's and the first 6 of 1 Corinthians 12. And so do my closest friends, because they are also100% spiritually alive.
 
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