Is There A Universal Truth?

[RoanokeIllinois]

Is There A Universal Truth? Of course there is! It's called Morality!

God is Morality! Every sentence, every word, or anything that anyone can try and debate against me about, is only possible, do to God. Please keep that in mind!

It doesn't matter your race: black/white. It doesn't matter your age: old/young. It doesn't matter your sex: male/female. It doesn't matter your political affiliation and how you vote: democrat/republican. It doesn't matter your beliefs: God/other. It doesn't matter where you're from: Asia, Australia, North America, South America, Africa, Europe, Antarctica.

Morality is a certain set of rules, that applies to everyone accross the board. Or at least it does in my mind. Rules like: Though shall not kill/this include abortion. There is 1 universal truth accross thee board, that applies, or at least should apply to all of us!!!!

Any political party, or person or thing out in the World that says that there are different rules for different people, don't believe in God. It's as simple as that. And more than likely, those people or groups of people, are trying to take God out of the equation within their Country. Or! They already have!!!

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Lord Jesus says this.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

There is no truth or morality without Him.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

God's moral truths are given to us in the Ten Commandments.

There are many today who want to make their own commandments
to follow, as if they're their own god.

 

[eleos1954]

Is There A Universal Truth? Of course there is! It's called Morality!

God is Morality! Every sentence, every word, or anything that anyone can try and debate against me about, is only possible, do to God. Please keep that in mind!

It doesn't matter your race: black/white. It doesn't matter your age: old/young. It doesn't matter your sex: male/female. It doesn't matter your political affiliation and how you vote: democrat/republican. It doesn't matter your beliefs: God/other. It doesn't matter where you're from: Asia, Australia, North America, South America, Africa, Europe, Antarctica.

Morality is a certain set of rules, that applies to everyone accross the board. Or at least it does in my mind. Rules like: Though shall not kill/this include abortion. There is 1 universal truth accross thee board, that applies, or at least should apply to all of us!!!!

Any political party, or person or thing out in the World that says that there are different rules for different people, don't believe in God. It's as simple as that. And more than likely, those people or groups of people, are trying to take God out of the equation within their Country. Or! They already have!!!

Is There A Universal Truth? Of course there is! It's called Morality!

Is There A Universal Truth? Of course there is! It's called God

 

[timothyu]

God's moral truths are given to us in the Ten Commandments.

Jesus summed them up in is 2 commandments.

 

[rjs330]

No no. There is only one universal truth. Slavery is bad. And the fact the Jesus not the Apostles nor God on OT didn't condemn or forbid slavery makes them not moral. (Sarcasm intended).

 

[timothyu]

Slavery is bad.

Actually all oppression is bad. Hence Jesus' second commandment

 

[rjs330]

Actually all oppression is bad. Hence Jesus' second commandment

Yes but Paul never condemned slavery. Neither did Jesus. And God allowed it in the OT. So therefore God is immoral. Or so the argument goes.

 

[timothyu]

Neither did Jesus.

Jesus said not to rebel against leaders. We run the show and will get what is coming to us for putting our will ahead of God and seeking gain at the expense of others. We're here to suffer the consequences of self interest, remember.

 

[rjs330]

Jesus said not to rebel against leaders. We run the show and will get what is coming to us for putting our will ahead of God and seeking gain at the expense of others. We're here to suffer the consequences of self interest, remember.

Oh for sure we will pay the consequences for putting our will ahead of God's. Isn't that the whole problem of humanity?

Humanity has always sought their gain at the expense of others. That's why we had slavery.

And since God didn't condemn slavery outright and neither did Jesus or the apostles therefore they are not moral.

That's the claim.

 

[childeye 2]

Oh for sure we will pay the consequences for putting our will ahead of God's. Isn't that the whole problem of humanity?

Humanity has always sought their gain at the expense of others. That's why we had slavery.

And since God didn't condemn slavery outright and neither did Jesus or the apostles therefore they are not moral.

That's the claim.

I'm guessing you already know this, but I'll say it anyway. We're all slaves in some respect. Jesus is teaching that the greatest is the one who serves the rest. The person who is internally a slave to God's Love/Spirit, is a positive connotation of the term 'servant'. While a person being externally forced to serve others through some oppressive means, carries a negative connotation of the term servant/slave.

 

[timothyu]

And since God didn't condemn slavery outright and neither did Jesus or the apostles therefore they are not moral.

But they did say that they would rule over their oppressors

 

[JimR-OCDS]

No no. There is only one universal truth. Slavery is bad. And the fact the Jesus not the Apostles nor God on OT didn't condemn or forbid slavery makes them not moral. (Sarcasm intended).

The word "slavery," in the Bible doesn't mean the same as slavery of blacks in America.

People who owed a debt to another person had to work it off and were called slaves.

 

[rjs330]

The word "slavery," in the Bible doesn't mean the same as slavery of blacks in America.

People who owed a debt to another person had to work it off and were called slaves.

Well that is a common misnomer. There were slaves and there were bond servants. Both existed in the OT times and in the NT. Slavery has been a part of human history for all of recorded history. Which means it was also part of unrecorded history. We recognize today that slavery is a great immoral evil. The morality of ancient times was different. The fact that God never comes right out and condemns it and forbids it, is the crux of the argument that God is not the king of morality and that the Bible cannot be used as a moral source.

That's the argument. If we are to claim that God is the ultimate authority and creator of the universe we must wrestle with this. Why didn't God just flatly condemn slavery? Why didn't Jesus and the apostles just flatly condemn slavery. While it's true that the OT had laws on how you had to treat your slaves and Paul did say that in Christ there is no slave or free and that all are equal in Christ he did not tell the believers to set all their slaves free.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Well that is a common misnomer. There were slaves and there were bond servants. Both existed in the OT times and in the NT. Slavery has been a part of human history for all of recorded history. Which means it was also part of unrecorded history. We recognize today that slavery is a great immoral evil. The morality of ancient times was different. The fact that God never comes right out and condemns it and forbids it, is the crux of the argument that God is not the king of morality and that the Bible cannot be used as a moral source.

That's the argument. If we are to claim that God is the ultimate authority and creator of the universe we must wrestle with this. Why didn't God just flatly condemn slavery? Why didn't Jesus and the apostles just flatly condemn slavery. While it's true that the OT had laws on how you had to treat your slaves and Paul did say that in Christ there is no slave or free and that all are equal in Christ he did not tell the believers to set all their slaves free.

But the English translations of the Bible use the word "slavery," for both parts.
Just as the word "love" is used where there are four different words in the Greek Language to describe the forms of live.

 

[Strong in Him]

Is There A Universal Truth? Of course there is! It's called Morality!

He's called Jesus.
Jesus is Truth.

Morals vary.
We may say that killing isn't allowed and taking the life of a human being is immoral - some are brought up to believe that anyone who doesn't follow their faith/god is evil, and killing the wicked is a good thing.
We may say that child abuse is wrong - others may say that beating a child to teach right from wrong is perfectly ok.
We may say that monogamy in marriage is moral - in other cultures/faiths it may be acceptable to have more than one wife.
We may say that women have a right to the same jobs as men, or have the right to work - other cultures say that a woman is there only to bring up the kids, cannot work and must even walk behind a man.

Who chooses what is moral and what isn't?
Yes, we have the 10 commandments - but unless every country everywhere accepts them, they are not universal.

God is Morality! Every sentence, every word, or anything that anyone can try and debate against me about, is only possible, do to God. Please keep that in mind!

Are you saying that anyone who disagrees with you is disagreeing with God?
Bold claim.

It doesn't matter your race: black/white. It doesn't matter your age: old/young. It doesn't matter your sex: male/female. It doesn't matter your political affiliation and how you vote: democrat/republican. It doesn't matter your beliefs: God/other. It doesn't matter where you're from: Asia, Australia, North America, South America, Africa, Europe, Antarctica.

Morality is a certain set of rules, that applies to everyone accross the board.

But it doesn't - as I have already said.
In some cultures, arranged marriages are acceptable and honour killing, though hopefully rare, is permissible.
Some cultures can arrest a person for even possessing a bottle of alcohol.
Some countries have the death penalty.
Brother Andrew was someone, among others, who smuggled Bibles into other countries. In these places it was illegal to have a Bible, and even to meet to worship God. Christians who did so were arrested for breaking the law. How is that moral?

 

[timothyu]

staff edit

Actually anyone who takes sides over the ways of man can hardly be called believers. The side to be taken is over the ways of the Kingdom and not it's opponent the world man has made in our own image.

 

[Strong in Him]

staff edit

I would say the same of you.
In the last 2 posts of mine that you have quoted, you have judged me to be a non believer; no sure what side I am on and "pretending" to believe in God.
Jesus said that we should treat others as we wish to be treated, and we will be judged in the same way that we judge others.

No idea what you mean by "Democrat friends on here, including the moderators."

 

[Tropical Wilds]

All I can say is I’m glad I found this forum when I was secure in my faith. Hearing people say things like “abortions and democrats are immoral, but slavery is a moral grey area” would have given me pause as to what exactly one believes as a Christian.

 

[timothyu]

All I can say is I’m glad I found this forum when I was secure in my faith. Hearing people say things like “abortions and democrats are immoral, but slavery is a moral grey area” would have given me pause as to what exactly one believes as a Christian.

Imagine how the early Christians felt when they saw the gentile religion abandon the Kingdom in favour of a return to the ways and will of man.