is there a difference between Jew and gentile in the bible?

[U.S. Grant]

other then skin

Jews were both born of the bloodline of Abraham and were outwardly circumcised according to the law of Moses on the 8th day.

Since there was no more split between the northern kingdom and the southern, since the northern was wiped away from the earth (Hos 1:4), then 'Jew', being first used in the tribe of Judah, became the general term for all the children of Israel and house of Judah in the first covenant just before, during, and after the Babylonian exile.

Gentiles were uncircumcised heathen of the nations of the earth.

If one converted to the God of Israel and entered into His covenant, then when they married into one of the tribes of Israel, their offspring would be born into the bloodline and be circumcised on the 8th day, and be fully accepted as fellow Israelites and Jews, inheritors of the promise of God to Abraham's seed.

But with their rejection of Jesus and His crucifixion and resurrection, there is now no difference in the Gentile world between 'Jews' and gentiles before God, but are all judged as uncircumcised, and must all repent and believe the gospel and be circumcised with that of Christ by the Spirit, and not by the flesh.

They that call themselves Jews today by birth and circumcision of flesh are called liars by the Lord. (Rev 2:9,3:9)

There is no difference between Jew and Greek in the body of Christ, and all are uncircumcised nations without God, outside of the body of Christ.

The one that is called Israel after the flesh, is Israel in name only.

Christians are the prophesied new name of the promised people of God with the circumcision of Christ:

And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. (Is 62)

 

[Davy]

other then skin

Read your Bible and find out.

 

[bèlla]

Yes, there’s a difference between Hebrews, Israel and Judah, and Gentiles, as articulated by the Lord in the bible and related texts. Read Jubilees and Jasher then revisit the question.

 

[Clare73]

Except that depends on the Jews accepting Jesus and the new covenant. If they fail to accept Jesus as the Messiah they are still operating under to old covenant, Right? Not disagreeing with what you said, just thinking out loud.

No one is under the old covenant, it is obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).

It was only a temporary addition (Romans 5:20; Galatians 3:19) to the Abrahamic covenant to reveal the nature, the consequences and the remedy for sin, to lead to Christ (Galatians 3:24).

Everyone, including Jews, are on the same footing since the resurrection, condemnation (Romans 5:18) without saving faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[Clare73]

There are differences between Jews. Some of them have the law written in their heart and some don’t. Christians should have the law written in their heart and in Biblical point of view they are then Jews.
For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not from men, but from God.
Romans 2:28-29

In context of Romans 1-3, Paul is demonstrating the unrighteousness of the Jews in Romans 2:1-3:8, he is not stating there that all circumcision of the heart makes one a Jew.

 

[Clare73]

If a Jew and Gentile have trusted in Jesus, they are the same, their covenant is the same.

However, there is only one covenant, the New Covenant, in which you are either in or out.
There is no other covenant, for the temporary (Romans 5:20, Galatians 3:19) Old Covenant of law is obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).

 

[Clare73]

Not even skin is the difference. Gentile refers to the nations, and Israel or Jews refers to the people of God chosen by God to enter into covanent with, and to bring the Messiah into the world.
The Bible has only ever broken mankind into two groups, those in covenant with God (Israel), and those who aren't (the nations or Gentiles).
Under the New Covanent, when a Gentile is saved through faith he/she becomes a son by adoption, and thus become part of God's Covanent people, the Jews/ Israel.

"The Jews" are no longer God's covenant people, they have been cut off the one olive tree of God's covenant people, most hearts have been hardened, only a remnant are being saved, and Gentiles have been grafted into the only existing covenant (Romans 11:1-32), the new covenant (Hebrews 8:13) with the NT church.

Likewise when a Jew refuses to accept the Messiah under the New Covanent they are cut off from the same covanent.

Today, because Israel is a real nation with land and borders, you kind of have to declare whether your talking Biblically or secularly when discussing the topic.

 

[BNR32FAN]

other then skin

yes

 

[disciple Clint]

No one is under the old covenant, it is obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).

It was only a temporary addition (Romans 5:20; Galatians 3:19) to the Abrahamic covenant to reveal the nature, the consequences and the remedy for sin, to lead to Christ (Galatians 3:24).

Everyone, including Jews, are on the same footing since the resurrection, condemnation (Romans 5:18) without saving faith in Jesus Christ.

Well except those who elected not to accept Jesus as the Messiah and today practice Judaism, which is based on the O.T. I do not think you are going to get them to accept that they are not under the old covenant.

 

[Clare73]

Well except those who elected not to accept Jesus as the Messiah and today practice Judaism, which is based on the O.T. I do not think you are going to get them to accept that they are not under the old covenant.

You understand, of course, that's it not about what they think, but about what God has ordained, and God has ordained that the Mosaic covenant is now obsolete (Hebrews 8:13), right?

No one is under the Mosaic covenant now in God's eyes, it's gone.

 

[disciple Clint]

You understand, of course, that's it not about what they think, but about what God has ordained, and God has ordained that the Mosaic covenant is now obsolete (Hebrews 8:13), right?

No one is under the Mosaic covenant now in God's eyes, it's gone.

We were not talking about God's eyes, we are talking about those who practice Judaism, they count as someone in contrast to your claim of "no one" Unless you believe you can convince they that they either do not count or are not under what you call the old covenant.

 

[Clare73]

We were not talking about God's eyes, we are talking about those who practice Judaism, they count as someone in contrast to your claim of "no one" Unless you believe you can convince they that they either do not count or are not under what you call the old covenant.

Does believing I am Abraham Lincoln's niece make me Lincoln's niece?
Actual physical reality is not governed by my view.

Does believing they are under the Mosaic law make them under the Mosaic law of the temporarily-added (Romans 5:20; Galatians 3:19) and obsolete Mosaic covenant (Hebrews 8:13)?
Actual spiritual reality is not governed by their view.

 

[disciple Clint]

Does believing I am Abraham Lincoln's niece make me Lincoln's niece?
Actual physical reality is not governed by my view.

Does believing they are under the Mosaic law make them under the Mosaic law of the temporarily-added (Romans 5:20; Galatians 3:19) and obsolete Mosaic covenant (Hebrews 8:13)?
Actual spiritual reality is not governed by their view.

It should be clear to almost anyone that quoting scripture that they do not believe in is not gong to convince them that they are wrong.

 

[ralliann]

Yes, there’s a difference between Hebrews, Israel and Judah, and Gentiles, as articulated by the Lord in the bible and related texts. Read Jubilees and Jasher then revisit the question.

Where are these found?

 

[Clare73]

It should be clear to almost anyone that quoting scripture that they do not believe in is not gong to convince them that they are wrong.

It's not about convincing, it's about the reality of the truth, staying in and dealing with truth rather than faslehood.

 

[disciple Clint]

It's not about convincing, it's about the reality of the truth, staying in and dealing with truth rather than faslehood.

The reality of the truth is up to God, He will decide who is under what covenant.

 

[Guojing]

other then skin

In time past, gentiles were cut off by God, so yes there is a heaven and earth difference. Ephesians 2:11-12

But now, no difference

 

[Clare73]

The reality of the truth is up to God, He will decide who is under what covenant.

And God has revealed the reality of that truth in the NT, where there is no one still under the Mosaic covenant. . .it has been made obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).

The issue regarding "the reality of the truth" isn't lack of knowledge, it is lack of belief.

 

[Davy]

other then skin

The way I see it is per Scripture according to Apostle Paul, like in Ephesians 2 and Romans 11.

In Ephesians 2, Apostle showed that believing Gentiles have come under the covenants and promises God gave to the children of Israel. And Paul used the term "commonwealth of Israel" for both saved together in God's future Kingdom. However, because God gave 'specific' prophecies for the 'seed' of Israel that are still future, that does not mean those went away with the giving of the New Covenant Jesus Christ. An example? Jesus promised His 12 Apostles (all of bloodline Judah) would sit upon 12 thrones in His future Kingdom judging the 12 tribes of Israel (Matthew 19:28).

So really, the idea of a 'commonwealth' is about the joining of multiple nations under one Head.

And in Romans 11, Apostle Paul showed that the Gentiles have been graffed into The Good Olive Tree (meaning in Christ), but that the seed of Israel represent the "natural branches".

Paul speaking of the unbelieving Jews...

Rom 11:24
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
KJV

Thus even Paul preached God's original promises to His Israel are not going away, even though we Gentile believers are grafted in.

 

[DaveM]

"This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus." – Ephesians 3:6