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Something does not have to be literal to be accurate, and so it is fallacious to say that Genesis has to be literal to be accurate.
That is the fatal flaw of the entire Young Earth argument. Half the Bible practically flaunts it's poetic justice, beauty, metaphors, and parables. Literalism is a fabrication, not a guideline.
He doesn't need to know his name to know that.
This is such a lie. The whole Christian world in the first century believed in the six-day creation along with the Jews.They all believed that Moses was the author of Genesis and in fact the entire penteteuch. It is only unbelieving, liberal scholarship that has compromised with Darwinian dogma that denies such things.
I will say it one last time: When Jesus spoke of 'Moses and the prophets' He was talking about (1) the first five books of the Bible and (2) all that was written from Joshua through Malachi. To this, Christians and Jews have always agreed.......except those who have compromised with the evils of Darwinian philosophy.
Liberal, Darwinian infested theology is a cancer to the Christian world and some day the Lord Jesus Christ is going to judge it and eliminate it from the consideration as it regards His word.
I challenged you to give the name/names of what you think the 'true' author of Genesis and you failed to do that. Your position is completely baseless.
This argument is over with.
The only 'fatal flaw' is yoru attitude towards the plainly written account of Genesis concerning the six day creation. There is no other truth in the matter.
They also believe in sun revolving around the earth and flat earth etc.This is such a lie. The whole Christian world in the first century believed in the six-day creation along with the Jews.They all believed that Moses was the author of Genesis and in fact the entire penteteuch.
You keep saying this, it does not make it true.I will say it one last time: When Jesus spoke of 'Moses and the prophets' He was talking about (1) the first five books of the Bible and (2) all that was written from Joshua through Malachi.
We're not "TrueChristian(TM)" now, because of the so called "Darwinian philosophy" (which Darwin was never a philosopher to begin with) now? It this how you discuss with bother and sisters in Christ?To this, Christians and Jews have always agreed.......except those who have compromised with the evils of Darwinian philosophy.
Reality have a liberal bias.Liberal, Darwinian infested theology is a cancer to the Christian world and some day the Lord Jesus Christ is going to judge it and eliminate it from the consideration as it regards His word.
Notice that none of the book are called 'the book of Moses'. Nowhere does it say "so I, (Moses), did (x)". It is plain as day that it was not written by Moses, they are accredited to Moses because he was the one who originally taught such things. The author was taught, and the author testified. In fact, there was probably more then one author; much like how the New Testament was written and consolidated in a team effort, so to was probably the Pentateuch.
Your challenge is impossible because nobody knows who wrote the Pentateuch. That does not mean you are right. In fact you are laughably wrong. I guess it's something to expect of YEC's who can even venture the self-evident.
Indeed it is. Denial is no way to go through life, so you should stop arguing.
Take Revelations literally. Oh wait, that's not literal at all, is it? You say it isn't because it's utterly absurd to do so. So, why do it to Genesis? It is utterly absurd to do so.
Notice that none of the book are called 'the book of Moses'. Nowhere does it say "so I, (Moses), did (x)". It is plain as day that it was not written by Moses, they are accredited to Moses because he was the one who originally taught such things. The author was taught, and the author testified. In fact, there was probably more then one author; much like how the New Testament was written and consolidated in a team effort, so to was probably the Pentateuch.
Your challenge is impossible because nobody knows who wrote the Pentateuch. That does not mean you are right. In fact you are laughably wrong. I guess it's something to expect of YEC's who can even venture the self-evident.
Indeed it is. Denial is no way to go through life, so you should stop arguing.
Take Revelations literally. Oh wait, that's not literal at all, is it? You say it isn't because it's utterly absurd to do so. So, why do it to Genesis? It is utterly absurd to do so.
Baloney. Try to explain your unbelief in the six-day creation as taught by Moses in Genesis AND in the rest of the pentateuch when you stand before God Almighty. Your petty little denials won't work then.
Well, at least you believe that much. Why would you believe the Lord about the fact that He is the Creator but not what He says about His six-day creation?
And the TE would be in error. 'A nice devotional framework'? Nope. It was the ten commandments of God for His people. His Law. Your reply on this is a shocking statement to any clear minded believer who knows better.
But the TE's don't know what they are doing. They have caved in to a teaching that is not found in scripture. Why would God give us the clear-cut account of His creation in six days, confirm it in the ten commandments, and verify it's historical reality in the many dozen passages which speak of Adam, Eve, the fall, the flood, etc. only to have all of that uprooted and changed by Charles Darwin in 1859? Are you trying to suggest that the entire Christian world DID NOT know of the truth about creation until after 1859? That is ridiculous.
None of that shallow argumentation will help you escape the fact that when the chronologies (i.e. Genesis 5,10, I Chronicles, etc.) are considered and the ages are calculated together one cannot derive much more than a 6,000 yr age for the earth. THAT is bottom line and not what skeptical scientists with their nebulous dating methods tell us.
Secondly, you did not give a date nor time frame as to when the fall of man actually occured. Why? But if the scriptural time frame is wrong then when did man fall in sin and how long has death existed in our world? Did death come through Adam's sin as Romans 5:12 tells us or did it precede Adam by millions of years?
Nonetheless, you are in error in this matter because the scriptures are not obscure nor ambiguous about our origins. There is no teaching of theistic evolution in God's Word...not even a hint. There is not even a suggestion of anyone who lived in Bible times that believed such a thing. So you are without excuse.
Nor will you find a common ancestor that breached the gap between a 46 chromosome organism as connected to a 48 chromosome organism. If you disagree then you are invited to try and find such a creature.
Not only so but no scientist on earth can genetically cross humans with any kind of ape of any classification. So not only is the picture I posted above quite impossible (and funny!) but there is no variation of such a result possible. Again, if you disagree then forward the genetic evidence that it is possible.
Yes, but you aren't. Not on this issue. You haven't produced a single passage of scripture supporting your theistic evolution position...nor can you.
What makes you think I am interested in the Nicene Creed? It is scripture to which you are at variance.
Good for you. So who persuaded you to not believe what God has plainly told us about the six day creation and substitute the truth for a non-scientific theory.
I am an ex-theistic evolutionist. I taught science for 26 yrs. I was persuaded by both scripture and the available scientific facts that evolution is a false theory.
Appeal to consequencesBaloney. Try to explain your unbelief in the six-day creation as taught by Moses in Genesis AND in the rest of the pentateuch when you stand before God Almighty. Your petty little denials won't work then.
Baloney. Try to explain your unbelief in the six-day creation as taught by Moses in Genesis AND in the rest of the pentateuch when you stand before God Almighty. Your petty little denials won't work then.
Appeal to consequences
Oh yes, I can see it now: "How dare you interpret Genesis 1 in the way that I set up all of reality to seem like and not literally!"
God is not the author of confusion, and that does not just mean in scripture. If everything in all reality is older then 6000 years, then a literal interpretation of Scripture does not change that.
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, light from light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and became truly human.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
Nicene Creed
[.....]
What I find very curious is that theistic evolutionists never show the slightest interest in doctrine. Instead they come on here and continually argue relentlessly against the first three stanzas of the Nicene Creed while insisting their Christian profession never be questioned.
Where's the profession I wonder?
Two things here, of course God who fills all eternity past, present and future has a history of more then 6.000 years. Life on this planet might not and insisting that such a belief is unreasonable is nothing more the skepticism that has it's source in atheism not the Scriptures.
Secondly, the literal interpretation is always preferred.
Not a hint that the book was written as myth or metaphor and yet you would have us believe it is. Why?
Do you honestly believe it impossible for God to have used evolution as a tool?
The Bible says that Christ holds all things together (Col. 1:17). Would you then hold that the law of gravitation is also untrue?
No, it's pretty much "Agree with everything I say or your get it what's coming to you"Actually it's an appeal to doctrine,
Evolution is not supported by it's own theory, but also every other science. It is the product of rigorous science over the past century, and not one thing has led to being contrary to it. Everything attempt to the contrary, has failed. Scientific theory is not called fact, but it's only on the basis of extreme philosophies which state you can't be 'sure' of anything. So it's really a matter of whether or not one wants to accept it. Gravity is just a theory, but I don't see you jumping off any buildings.
The literal interpretation is preferred when there is nothing else to go on. In other words, it's not really preferred at all, it's just accepted until something says otherwise.
In which case, science says otherwise, and science is not a global conspiracy. Science is the gift God gave us. The only time science is bad is when one questions the origins of the universe, because that is the work of God.
That should be all that matters, but YEC's push some absurdly close-minded notion of Genesis because, well, I have absolutely no idea except maybe that they just like to be adversarial to human intelligence.
God created light on the first day, but did not create the sun, moon, and stars until days later.
You cannot reconcile this with a literal interpretation. What is being relayed is the Big Bang- light came before the sun and stars.
If the Earth is formless and void, how did it have water on it? The 'waters' are the universe, and the Earth was created from the material of the universe. You see, it was formless- everything was still cooling from the Bang and had not pulled together.
You see much more truth with theistic evolution then you ever will with YECism. It is wishful and false, and should not even exist in this era let alone be posited.
No, it's pretty much "Agree with everything I say or your get it what's coming to you"
No TE here is calming that god isn't the creator.
So you openly admit that you are a creationist. But of course you do, you have to abandon your Christian profession if you don't. I have not the slightest interest in making you agree with me. What you must agree with is the Nicene Creed, the clear testimony of Scripture regarding Creation and make the profession all Christians must make in order to be Christians.
But yea, your right. You have to agree with me on Creationism as doctrine or you are not a Christian. There are not a lot of rules about posting to a Christians only section but at a minimum you must believe the Nicene Creed. A Creed that starts right off with a confession of God as Creator. Now once you get over the taste of that we can discuss sound doctrine as a standard by which heresy is condemned.
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