Is their religion wrong? Am I sinning if i do it also?

[sissillee16]

Hi all this may be long please read cause i feel alone on this. :-(
, Well I had an argument i had with my friends on how i think white light meditating is something
that i would like to do and might be interested in. Soon as i said that everyone ganged up on me and we
started talking about religion and if i do such this i would be sinning because it's against God.
This conversation we had on religion really bothered me,and even after they thought they persuade me
to think differently, i am somewhat against them because unlike them, i am open to different things.
Surely after being ganged up they got into my head, i don't know whether "Is their religion wrong" is
something i oppose or favor.

Okay we first were talking about new age thinking
and how it's against God, and i somewhat agreed, but they seem to think that new age thinking is brought on by
all the other religion (Bold listed below), and that those people are all doomed to Hell. I myself find
that ridiculous because I'm not sure that billions of people will go to hell just because our culture
view their religion as wrong or different. I personally believe that every religion has its own truth.
I don't understand Who said that someone denomination is wrong because it's different than yours?
Who says that anyone religion has the right religion.
When I signed up to this website i was completely shocked to see the list of religion,
denomination, there is out there. I Wonder if this was always like that when Jesus use to walk this earth
What is Jesus religion? because i don't understand how we got mixed up and separated into different groups?
who decided that?

Sorry about that lost tract, that another forum topic lol
but okay so my church friend seem to think that (Bold List below) is all wrong. And
I'm wondering if they are right?
Is the practice of the Hindu, native American, Indians, Chinese, African, religion wrong? and Why would it be?
it seems to me that they are all connect and they do almost the same thing and that is related to
white light meditation, spiritual awakening or pantheism. Which is a 360 to the Christian or Catholic religion?
Is it wrong to get close to the Creator (God) by meditating on light or finding some sort of link to the
creator outside of the physical body or leaving one physical body and meditate better with your spirit or
finding some sort of spiritual awakening? They all meditate the same way, by fasting, praying, singing holy songs.
How is that in any way different from our Christians and Catholic views.

Here what i think: (hopefully I'm not alone because I'm ganged up on to remain silent)

I don't believe that meditation or white light meditation is wrong. I think things such as
astral projection, remote viewing, isn't a safe practice, because I'm told by people such as Christians, Catholic who
presume that those acts are against God and shouldn't be done because your allowing demons in (though most people
who claimed to have done this, denied to ever getting "possess" and continue on doing this
for years to come) i'm not too sure on the subject, but white light meditation could that really be the devil persuasion?

I don't believe white light meditation is an occult practice at all, is it?

Reason why my friend said it's wrong:
We know that Satan is referred to as the Shining One
because he fell from heaven a somewhat proof to that is that during near-death experience
when people mention (if you believe in their stories) that when they had near-death-experience
that they always see the white light at the end of the tunnel, and as many of you already know
we shouldn't go through that tunnel right.
A man once mentioned that when they had "died" they saw a white light
and flashing before their eyes were of course their sins, their past, present, and suppose future
this man said that when he was covered by this white light he felt this sense of calmness and serenity
whilst he was going to the tunnel he notice that he was dropping real fast and as soon as it came to a stop he
said to have enter "hell", my friend say this serene white light that people want to achieve is actually coming
from the devil itself, and it just a pathway to hell if you practice it.

I don't think it was the devil, because I'm positive that the devil
is still roaming on this earth at this very moment, and not lock behind
the gates of hell yet. I think the white light is God and I'm positive the bible tell us about God is light and bring
us light.

Here why i believe light meditation is okay:
I take God as being light literally, if God want he can turn into light, he can provide or take light and i even
feel safer and peaceful in the the daytime then i do at night. Throughout the bible light is represented
as something Good and of God. In the beginning God provided light to the earth, this light is what separates
our days and nights. Also the bible said that Jesus literally turn into light in front of his disciples.
How could this light represent evil or the devil, doesn't the bible say that Satan was and is an Angel of God isn't
that why he is also capable of light.

Since i am somewhat interested in this, and wanted to accomplish light meditation
i wondered if i just like Jesus can literally turn into light?

Question is can i become bright as light through the power of faith, meditation, or something else?

I wondered if i a human can accomplish what God himself accomplish?

Reason Why i it may be possible (sarcasm alert) : - )
God is light!! well that already means that i can't be a literal light
but Wait
Jesus turned into bright light when speaking to Moses and Elijah the transfiguration
But Shoot!!! still i can't be light because, Jesus who is the son of man and God, is God
but wait
Jesus (God) came to this world to show us how to be God almost perfect disciples, Jesus in the flesh
came down to show us that nothing is impossible, he came to show us how to love, how to fast, some might
learn how to heal, how to lay your life down for the sheep, and how to restore life, faith and hope in people.
So i guess, Just wondering, maybe it means that mean anything Jesus can do we can do the same lol.
just like his disciples.

Maybe i don't see why it's impossible. As hard as it may seem it's not entirely impossible.
some people are born with natural gifts from the Lord
some people might be able to resurrect people from the dead, or are actually capable of talking to the Lord
or heal the sick, though we may not hear about those people, because those people wouldn't want to
broadcast their spiritual gift from God doesn't mean that they don't exist.
What do you think? is WHITE LIGHT MEDITATION NEW AGE THINKING? OR HINDU, AFRICAN, INDIAN, CULTURE THAT SHOULDN'T BE DONE?
Is spiritual awakening or meditating wrong? Doe it goes against God and what he stand for?

Seems dangerous, MAYBE, but many cultured are known to regularly do this, is it wrong for them to continue
with this just because we just now put a new name on it like many new things in our life that the bible didn't report?
I know that God provided me with right and wrong, and in the bottom of my heart i don't believe doing this is wrong.
But in the back of my head I'm told it is wrong.

Sorry for the length I'm just troubled by my own thoughts, and belief, and others belief, and i want to know
where do the rest of the world stand? So if by any chance you can answer some of my question please do, and sry if you can't fully comprehend my English is not that great but hopefully someone understood me
and sincerely thank you

God Bless : - D

Also very funny thought? But if through God i could actually become light, then i guess I'll be able to prove
Einstein theory to test by seeing if I'm able to time travel. Is it possible the transfiguration Jesus was talking
to were prophets of the past who was getting message from Jesus in his present about the future that Jesus was in?
Hopefully that made sense, i read a forum and thought that was very interesting. Would I as light TIME TRAVEL OOOOOOOO
lol God Bless: - D

 

[sissillee16]

Hi all this may be long please read cause i feel alone on this. :-(
, Well I had an argument i had with my friends on how i think white light meditating is something
that i would like to do and might be interested in. Soon as i said that everyone ganged up on me and we
started talking about religion and if i do such this i would be sinning because it's against God.
This conversation we had on religion really bothered me,and even after they thought they persuade me
to think differently, i am somewhat against them because unlike them, i am open to different things.
Surely after being ganged up they got into my head, i don't know whether "Is their religion wrong" is
something i oppose or favor.

Okay we first were talking about new age thinking
and how it's against God, and i somewhat agreed, but they seem to think that new age thinking is brought on by
all the other religion (Bold listed below), and that those people are all doomed to Hell. I myself find
that ridiculous because I'm not sure that billions of people will go to hell just because our culture
view their religion as wrong or different. I personally believe that every religion has its own truth.
I don't understand Who said that someone denomination is wrong because it's different than yours?
Who says that anyone religion has the right religion.
When I signed up to this website i was completely shocked to see the list of religion,
denomination, there is out there. I Wonder if this was always like that when Jesus use to walk this earth
What is Jesus religion? because i don't understand how we got mixed up and separated into different groups?
who decided that?

Sorry about that lost tract, that another forum topic lol
but okay so my church friend seem to think that (Bold List below) is all wrong. And
I'm wondering if they are right?
Is the practice of the Hindu, native American, Indians, Chinese, African, religion wrong? and Why would it be?
it seems to me that they are all connect and they do almost the same thing and that is related to
white light meditation, spiritual awakening or pantheism. Which is a 360 to the Christian or Catholic religion?
Is it wrong to get close to the Creator (God) by meditating on light or finding some sort of link to the
creator outside of the physical body or leaving one physical body and meditate better with your spirit or
finding some sort of spiritual awakening? They all meditate the same way, by fasting, praying, singing holy songs.
How is that in any way different from our Christians and Catholic views.

Here what i think: (hopefully I'm not alone because I'm ganged up on to remain silent)

I don't believe that meditation or white light meditation is wrong. I think things such as
astral projection, remote viewing, isn't a safe practice, because I'm told by people such as Christians, Catholic who
presume that those acts are against God and shouldn't be done because your allowing demons in (though most people
who claimed to have done this, denied to ever getting "possess" and continue on doing this
for years to come) i'm not too sure on the subject, but white light meditation could that really be the devil persuasion?

I don't believe white light meditation is an occult practice at all, is it?

Reason why my friend said it's wrong:
We know that Satan is referred to as the Shining One
because he fell from heaven a somewhat proof to that is that during near-death experience
when people mention (if you believe in their stories) that when they had near-death-experience
that they always see the white light at the end of the tunnel, and as many of you already know
we shouldn't go through that tunnel right.
A man once mentioned that when they had "died" they saw a white light
and flashing before their eyes were of course their sins, their past, present, and suppose future
this man said that when he was covered by this white light he felt this sense of calmness and serenity
whilst he was going to the tunnel he notice that he was dropping real fast and as soon as it came to a stop he
said to have enter "hell", my friend say this serene white light that people want to achieve is actually coming
from the devil itself, and it just a pathway to hell if you practice it.

I don't think it was the devil, because I'm positive that the devil
is still roaming on this earth at this very moment, and not lock behind
the gates of hell yet. I think the white light is God and I'm positive the bible tell us about God is light and bring
us light.

Here why i believe light meditation is okay:
I take God as being light literally, if God want he can turn into light, he can provide or take light and i even
feel safer and peaceful in the the daytime then i do at night. Throughout the bible light is represented
as something Good and of God. In the beginning God provided light to the earth, this light is what separates
our days and nights. Also the bible said that Jesus literally turn into light in front of his disciples.
How could this light represent evil or the devil, doesn't the bible say that Satan was and is an Angel of God isn't
that why he is also capable of light.

Since i am somewhat interested in this, and wanted to accomplish light meditation
i wondered if i just like Jesus can literally turn into light?

Question is can i become bright as light through the power of faith, meditation, or something else?

I wondered if i a human can accomplish what God himself accomplish?

Reason Why i it may be possible (sarcasm alert) : - )
God is light!! well that already means that i can't be a literal light
but Wait
Jesus turned into bright light when speaking to Moses and Elijah the transfiguration
But Shoot!!! still i can't be light because, Jesus who is the son of man and God, is God
but wait
Jesus (God) came to this world to show us how to be God almost perfect disciples, Jesus in the flesh
came down to show us that nothing is impossible, he came to show us how to love, how to fast, some might
learn how to heal, how to lay your life down for the sheep, and how to restore life, faith and hope in people.
So i guess, Just wondering, maybe it means that mean anything Jesus can do we can do the same lol.
just like his disciples.

Maybe i don't see why it's impossible. As hard as it may seem it's not entirely impossible.
some people are born with natural gifts from the Lord
some people might be able to resurrect people from the dead, or are actually capable of talking to the Lord
or heal the sick, though we may not hear about those people, because those people wouldn't want to
broadcast their spiritual gift from God doesn't mean that they don't exist.
What do you think? is WHITE LIGHT MEDITATION NEW AGE THINKING? OR HINDU, AFRICAN, INDIAN, CULTURE THAT SHOULDN'T BE DONE?
Is spiritual awakening or meditating wrong? Doe it goes against God and what he stand for?

Seems dangerous, MAYBE, but many cultured are known to regularly do this, is it wrong for them to continue
with this just because we just now put a new name on it like many new things in our life that the bible didn't report?
I know that God provided me with right and wrong, and in the bottom of my heart i don't believe doing this is wrong.
But in the back of my head I'm told it is wrong.

Sorry for the length I'm just troubled by my own thoughts, and belief, and others belief, and i want to know
where do the rest of the world stand? So if by any chance you can answer some of my question please do, and sry if you can't fully comprehend my English is not that great but hopefully someone understood me
and sincerely thank you

God Bless : - D

Also very funny thought? But if through God i could actually become light, then i guess I'll be able to prove
Einstein theory to test by seeing if I'm able to time travel. Is it possible the transfiguration Jesus was talking
to were prophets of the past who was getting message from Jesus in his present about the future that Jesus was in?
Hopefully that made sense, i read a forum and thought that was very interesting. Would I as light TIME TRAVEL OOOOOOOO
lol God Bless: - D

 

[sissillee16]

Hi all this may be long please read cause i feel alone on this. :-(
, Well I had an argument i had with my friends on how i think white light meditating is something
that i would like to do and might be interested in. Soon as i said that everyone ganged up on me and we
started talking about religion and if i do such this i would be sinning because it's against God.
This conversation we had on religion really bothered me,and even after they thought they persuade me
to think differently, i am somewhat against them because unlike them, i am open to different things.
Surely after being ganged up they got into my head, i don't know whether "Is their religion wrong" is
something i oppose or favor.

Okay we first were talking about new age thinking
and how it's against God, and i somewhat agreed, but they seem to think that new age thinking is brought on by
all the other religion (Bold listed below), and that those people are all doomed to Hell. I myself find
that ridiculous because I'm not sure that billions of people will go to hell just because our culture
view their religion as wrong or different. I personally believe that every religion has its own truth.
I don't understand Who said that someone denomination is wrong because it's different than yours?
Who says that anyone religion has the right religion.
When I signed up to this website i was completely shocked to see the list of religion,
denomination, there is out there. I Wonder if this was always like that when Jesus use to walk this earth
What is Jesus religion? because i don't understand how we got mixed up and separated into different groups?
who decided that?

Sorry about that lost tract, that another forum topic lol
but okay so my church friend seem to think that (Bold List below) is all wrong. And
I'm wondering if they are right?
Is the practice of the Hindu, native American, Indians, Chinese, African, religion wrong? and Why would it be?
it seems to me that they are all connect and they do almost the same thing and that is related to
white light meditation, spiritual awakening or pantheism. Which is a 360 to the Christian or Catholic religion?
Is it wrong to get close to the Creator (God) by meditating on light or finding some sort of link to the
creator outside of the physical body or leaving one physical body and meditate better with your spirit or
finding some sort of spiritual awakening? They all meditate the same way, by fasting, praying, singing holy songs.
How is that in any way different from our Christians and Catholic views.

Here what i think: (hopefully I'm not alone because I'm ganged up on to remain silent)

I don't believe that meditation or white light meditation is wrong. I think things such as
astral projection, remote viewing, isn't a safe practice, because I'm told by people such as Christians, Catholic who
presume that those acts are against God and shouldn't be done because your allowing demons in (though most people
who claimed to have done this, denied to ever getting "possess" and continue on doing this
for years to come) i'm not too sure on the subject, but white light meditation could that really be the devil persuasion?

I don't believe white light meditation is an occult practice at all, is it?

Reason why my friend said it's wrong:
We know that Satan is referred to as the Shining One
because he fell from heaven a somewhat proof to that is that during near-death experience
when people mention (if you believe in their stories) that when they had near-death-experience
that they always see the white light at the end of the tunnel, and as many of you already know
we shouldn't go through that tunnel right.
A man once mentioned that when they had "died" they saw a white light
and flashing before their eyes were of course their sins, their past, present, and suppose future
this man said that when he was covered by this white light he felt this sense of calmness and serenity
whilst he was going to the tunnel he notice that he was dropping real fast and as soon as it came to a stop he
said to have enter "hell", my friend say this serene white light that people want to achieve is actually coming
from the devil itself, and it just a pathway to hell if you practice it.

I don't think it was the devil, because I'm positive that the devil
is still roaming on this earth at this very moment, and not lock behind
the gates of hell yet. I think the white light is God and I'm positive the bible tell us about God is light and bring
us light.

Here why i believe light meditation is okay:
I take God as being light literally, if God want he can turn into light, he can provide or take light and i even
feel safer and peaceful in the the daytime then i do at night. Throughout the bible light is represented
as something Good and of God. In the beginning God provided light to the earth, this light is what separates
our days and nights. Also the bible said that Jesus literally turn into light in front of his disciples.
How could this light represent evil or the devil, doesn't the bible say that Satan was and is an Angel of God isn't
that why he is also capable of light.

Since i am somewhat interested in this, and wanted to accomplish light meditation
i wondered if i just like Jesus can literally turn into light?

Question is can i become bright as light through the power of faith, meditation, or something else?

I wondered if i a human can accomplish what God himself accomplish?

Reason Why i it may be possible (sarcasm alert) : - )
God is light!! well that already means that i can't be a literal light
but Wait
Jesus turned into bright light when speaking to Moses and Elijah the transfiguration
But Shoot!!! still i can't be light because, Jesus who is the son of man and God, is God
but wait
Jesus (God) came to this world to show us how to be God almost perfect disciples, Jesus in the flesh
came down to show us that nothing is impossible, he came to show us how to love, how to fast, some might
learn how to heal, how to lay your life down for the sheep, and how to restore life, faith and hope in people.
So i guess, Just wondering, maybe it means that mean anything Jesus can do we can do the same lol.
just like his disciples.

Maybe i don't see why it's impossible. As hard as it may seem it's not entirely impossible.
some people are born with natural gifts from the Lord
some people might be able to resurrect people from the dead, or are actually capable of talking to the Lord
or heal the sick, though we may not hear about those people, because those people wouldn't want to
broadcast their spiritual gift from God doesn't mean that they don't exist.
What do you think? is WHITE LIGHT MEDITATION NEW AGE THINKING? OR HINDU, AFRICAN, INDIAN, CULTURE THAT SHOULDN'T BE DONE?
Is spiritual awakening or meditating wrong? Doe it goes against God and what he stand for?

Seems dangerous, MAYBE, but many cultured are known to regularly do this, is it wrong for them to continue
with this just because we just now put a new name on it like many new things in our life that the bible didn't report?
I know that God provided me with right and wrong, and in the bottom of my heart i don't believe doing this is wrong.
But in the back of my head I'm told it is wrong.

Sorry for the length I'm just troubled by my own thoughts, and belief, and others belief, and i want to know
where do the rest of the world stand? So if by any chance you can answer some of my question please do, and sry if you can't fully comprehend my English is not that great but hopefully someone understood me
and sincerely thank you

God Bless : - D

Also very funny thought? But if through God i could actually become light, then i guess I'll be able to prove
Einstein theory to test by seeing if I'm able to time travel. Is it possible the transfiguration Jesus was talking
to were prophets of the past who was getting message from Jesus in his present about the future that Jesus was in?
Hopefully that made sense, i read a forum and thought that was very interesting. Would I as light TIME TRAVEL OOOOOOOO
lol God Bless: - D

 

[sissillee16]

Hi all this may be long please read cause i feel alone on this. :-(
, Well I had an argument i had with my friends on how i think white light meditating is something
that i would like to do and might be interested in. Soon as i said that everyone ganged up on me and we
started talking about religion and if i do such this i would be sinning because it's against God.
This conversation we had on religion really bothered me,and even after they thought they persuade me
to think differently, i am somewhat against them because unlike them, i am open to different things.
Surely after being ganged up they got into my head, i don't know whether "Is their religion wrong" is
something i oppose or favor.

Okay we first were talking about new age thinking
and how it's against God, and i somewhat agreed, but they seem to think that new age thinking is brought on by
all the other religion (Bold listed below), and that those people are all doomed to Hell. I myself find
that ridiculous because I'm not sure that billions of people will go to hell just because our culture
view their religion as wrong or different. I personally believe that every religion has its own truth.
I don't understand Who said that someone denomination is wrong because it's different than yours?
Who says that anyone religion has the right religion.
When I signed up to this website i was completely shocked to see the list of religion,
denomination, there is out there. I Wonder if this was always like that when Jesus use to walk this earth
What is Jesus religion? because i don't understand how we got mixed up and separated into different groups?
who decided that?

Sorry about that lost tract, that another forum topic lol
but okay so my church friend seem to think that (Bold List below) is all wrong. And
I'm wondering if they are right?
Is the practice of the Hindu, native American, Indians, Chinese, African, religion wrong? and Why would it be?
it seems to me that they are all connect and they do almost the same thing and that is related to
white light meditation, spiritual awakening or pantheism. Which is a 360 to the Christian or Catholic religion?
Is it wrong to get close to the Creator (God) by meditating on light or finding some sort of link to the
creator outside of the physical body or leaving one physical body and meditate better with your spirit or
finding some sort of spiritual awakening? They all meditate the same way, by fasting, praying, singing holy songs.
How is that in any way different from our Christians and Catholic views.

Here what i think: (hopefully I'm not alone because I'm ganged up on to remain silent)

I don't believe that meditation or white light meditation is wrong. I think things such as
astral projection, remote viewing, isn't a safe practice, because I'm told by people such as Christians, Catholic who
presume that those acts are against God and shouldn't be done because your allowing demons in (though most people
who claimed to have done this, denied to ever getting "possess" and continue on doing this
for years to come) i'm not too sure on the subject, but white light meditation could that really be the devil persuasion?

I don't believe white light meditation is an occult practice at all, is it?

Reason why my friend said it's wrong:
We know that Satan is referred to as the Shining One
because he fell from heaven a somewhat proof to that is that during near-death experience
when people mention (if you believe in their stories) that when they had near-death-experience
that they always see the white light at the end of the tunnel, and as many of you already know
we shouldn't go through that tunnel right.
A man once mentioned that when they had "died" they saw a white light
and flashing before their eyes were of course their sins, their past, present, and suppose future
this man said that when he was covered by this white light he felt this sense of calmness and serenity
whilst he was going to the tunnel he notice that he was dropping real fast and as soon as it came to a stop he
said to have enter "hell", my friend say this serene white light that people want to achieve is actually coming
from the devil itself, and it just a pathway to hell if you practice it.

I don't think it was the devil, because I'm positive that the devil
is still roaming on this earth at this very moment, and not lock behind
the gates of hell yet. I think the white light is God and I'm positive the bible tell us about God is light and bring
us light.

Here why i believe light meditation is okay:
I take God as being light literally, if God want he can turn into light, he can provide or take light and i even
feel safer and peaceful in the the daytime then i do at night. Throughout the bible light is represented
as something Good and of God. In the beginning God provided light to the earth, this light is what separates
our days and nights. Also the bible said that Jesus literally turn into light in front of his disciples.
How could this light represent evil or the devil, doesn't the bible say that Satan was and is an Angel of God isn't
that why he is also capable of light.

Since i am somewhat interested in this, and wanted to accomplish light meditation
i wondered if i just like Jesus can literally turn into light?

Question is can i become bright as light through the power of faith, meditation, or something else?

I wondered if i a human can accomplish what God himself accomplish?

Reason Why i it may be possible (sarcasm alert) : - )
God is light!! well that already means that i can't be a literal light
but Wait
Jesus turned into bright light when speaking to Moses and Elijah the transfiguration
But Shoot!!! still i can't be light because, Jesus who is the son of man and God, is God
but wait
Jesus (God) came to this world to show us how to be God almost perfect disciples, Jesus in the flesh
came down to show us that nothing is impossible, he came to show us how to love, how to fast, some might
learn how to heal, how to lay your life down for the sheep, and how to restore life, faith and hope in people.
So i guess, Just wondering, maybe it means that mean anything Jesus can do we can do the same lol.
just like his disciples.

Maybe i don't see why it's impossible. As hard as it may seem it's not entirely impossible.
some people are born with natural gifts from the Lord
some people might be able to resurrect people from the dead, or are actually capable of talking to the Lord
or heal the sick, though we may not hear about those people, because those people wouldn't want to
broadcast their spiritual gift from God doesn't mean that they don't exist.
What do you think? is WHITE LIGHT MEDITATION NEW AGE THINKING? OR HINDU, AFRICAN, INDIAN, CULTURE THAT SHOULDN'T BE DONE?
Is spiritual awakening or meditating wrong? Doe it goes against God and what he stand for?

Seems dangerous, MAYBE, but many cultured are known to regularly do this, is it wrong for them to continue
with this just because we just now put a new name on it like many new things in our life that the bible didn't report?
I know that God provided me with right and wrong, and in the bottom of my heart i don't believe doing this is wrong.
But in the back of my head I'm told it is wrong.

Sorry for the length I'm just troubled by my own thoughts, and belief, and others belief, and i want to know
where do the rest of the world stand? So if by any chance you can answer some of my question please do, and sry if you can't fully comprehend my English is not that great but hopefully someone understood me
and sincerely thank you

God Bless : - D

Also very funny thought? But if through God i could actually become light, then i guess I'll be able to prove
Einstein theory to test by seeing if I'm able to time travel. Is it possible the transfiguration Jesus was talking
to were prophets of the past who was getting message from Jesus in his present about the future that Jesus was in?
Hopefully that made sense, i read a forum and thought that was very interesting. Would I as light TIME TRAVEL OOOOOOOO
lol God Bless: - D

 

[wayseer]

I can see why you might be troubled by your own thoughts - so am I.

I also see you have only just dropped in to Cf. Welcome.

You say you see God as light. Certainly God is conceived of as light but this is a metaphor rather than God being a something switched on in the heavens.

But I am concerned about your more than apparent confusion. You seem to be all over the place with no fixed reference point which makes it very difficult to address your issues.

Can I ask, do you read the Bible? And if so, what book do you happen to be reading at the moment? Perhaps that might be a convenient starting point.

On the other hand your multiple postings might indicate something else.

 

[Mess]

This is a semi blind post, as I haven't read your entire post. But let me assure you of one thing, universalism, the idea that every religion leads to God and salvations is nothing but a satanic lie. All through out the Bible we are warned against other religions, take for example before the entering of Israel by the Jews, they were explicitly told DO NOT worship their gods, which if I remember correctly were equated to the fallen angels. The Bible says Jesus is the only way to the Father, how then can you claim that there are other ways? Also I wonder is there any other religion that says Jesus is the Son of God and portrays the same Jesus as that of the Bible? I don't know such a religion, but perhaps you know more than I do. You can claim there are more ways to be saved, but how can the God of Israel be the same as say Buddha, when Buddha for example claims there is reincarnation, while we know there is heaven and hell? Is there then not something not right, not both answers can be right can it? Same thing with Islam, God says He has a son, and He is a father, and you can have a relationship with Him. The Qu'ran states 9x that Allah has no son(he does have 3 daughters btw) and he is an unpersonal god that you can't have a relationship with, the Bible says don't lie, while Allah is the master of deceit, and so we can go on and on and on. We focus too much on perceived similarities, while the differences matter so much more, afterall culture or no culture His truth, is always, and everywhere the same. His truth is the only universal thing in this world, but it is not represented by every religion, hence the differences. Btw stating that culture matters is shortsighted in itself. Christianity wasn't created in the west, and it isn't just based in the west. From West to East, and from North to South there are Christians from all Cultures, and that in itself is the transcending of His truth through all cultures. Besides let me ask you this, wouldn't the death of Christ Jesus be to most useless, idiotic, senseless act in the whole of world history, if there are a billion ways to get to heaven? Seems quite idiotic to me, if that were true. But Christ Jesus never did anything idiotic in His life here on earth, then there must be something wrong right there. God doing something Idiotic, and sacrificing His only begotten Son for nothing, that is not the God I know.

 

[Sophrosyne]

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this thread was posted in 6 different areas that I know of.

 

[Edwards1984]

this thread was posted in 6 different areas that I know of.

I see. Well, there's probably an answer given then.

I will say I concur with Mess.

 

[Sketcher]

Is the practice of the Hindu, native American, Indians, Chinese, African, religion wrong? and Why would it be?
it seems to me that they are all connect and they do almost the same thing and that is related to
white light meditation, spiritual awakening or pantheism. Which is a 360 to the Christian or Catholic religion?

All of that stuff is wrong, yes. There is only one God, and he is who he is, people cannot mold him in their own image. He is distinct from his creation. He determines right and wrong and who gets to him. He has shared this information with mankind through the Bible.

Here why i believe light meditation is okay:
I take God as being light literally, if God want he can turn into light, he can provide or take light and i even
feel safer and peaceful in the the daytime then i do at night. Throughout the bible light is represented
as something Good and of God. In the beginning God provided light to the earth, this light is what separates
our days and nights. Also the bible said that Jesus literally turn into light in front of his disciples.
How could this light represent evil or the devil, doesn't the bible say that Satan was and is an Angel of God isn't
that why he is also capable of light.

Since i am somewhat interested in this, and wanted to accomplish light meditation
i wondered if i just like Jesus can literally turn into light?

Question is can i become bright as light through the power of faith, meditation, or something else?

I wondered if i a human can accomplish what God himself accomplish?

You're talking about appearance. Christianity doesn't care about appearance so much as substance. "Turning into light" doesn't indicate good. Your Christian friend was right, in that the devil himself is capable of appearing as an angel of light.

"Meditation" in the Eastern/New Age sense is about blanking your mind. But Christians are to be vigilant:

"Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life." - Proverbs 4:23

"Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." - 1 Peter 5:8

 

[awitch]

Hi all this may be long please read cause i feel alone on this. :-(

Welcome to our little corner of CF!
(And Happy New Year)

I don't believe that meditation or white light meditation is wrong.

I think meditation is a method of relaxation. You can include spiritual elements into the practice if you want, but it is certainly not required.

Perhaps you can elaborate on the specifics of white light meditation?

You'd have to clarify what you understand white light meditation to be.

I think you have to keep in mind that what your friends are telling you are actually their opinions, as much as they want to believe it to be truth.

Ask yourself if you think a loving god would condemn a large population of the planet to eternal torture because they were born into a culture where these practices were common.

Question is can i become bright as light through the power of faith, meditation, or something else?

Literally? The human body does emit the tiniest bit of light apparently, but I don't think you'll get more than that. Spiritually, the concept is rather ambiguous.

I wondered if i a human can accomplish what God himself accomplish?

I can turn water into grape juice...if I had my magic spoon and canister of magic grape juice concentrate.

 

[Eudaimonist]

You might want to examine the monastic contemplative tradition. It's not like meditation is all that different from this.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Fremdin]

Don't hedge your bets. Be one thing or be the other. Appropriating different aspects of different belief systems so you don't have to choose only one is disrespectful of your religion and their culture.

 

[broken_one]

Contemplative prayer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[mjmcmillan]

All through the scriptures, God shows Himself to be pretty exclusive. He's a jealous God in the Old Testament, and Jesus carries it a bit further by claiming that He is the only way to the Father, no man can come except by Him. So, discarding all the stuff that comes by way of other religions gets the firm backing of scripture. So much New Age and Eastern religious stuff seems to get in the back door that at times it can be difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff. One reliable test is that if it's not backed by scripture, it's not of God and we should reject it. Even some practices that are backed by scripture should be examined closely, since our adversary can mimic nearly everything and put up an impostor practice.

The practice that the OP asks about is suspicious. It seems to have New Age/Eastern Religion roots and that makes me as jumpy as a cat in a roomful of rocking chairs. Especially when I consider just how jealous our God has declared Himself to be. It's not worth the risk.

 

[MehGuy]

It doesn't really make any sense to put religions that preach they are the only way together. They are mutually exclusive. Maybe you should think about why all these religions have similar experiences instead.

 

[Harry3142]

In buddhism there is a meditative exercise taught to their students. This exercise involves their consciouly 'cleansing their minds' of all thoughts and emotions. The result of a successful 'cleansing' is the student's seeing nothing but what appears to be a clean white sheet when he closes his eyes to meditate.

As for religions being of equal weight, that is not the case. There are a number of religions which teach that their adherents must obey a certain set of laws and perform certain acts in order to obtain salvation. But Christianity teaches that we are to accept the acts that have already been performed on our behalf by God himself, both through his direct involvement and through his Son's involvement in our lives (Romans 3:19 to 5:10).

Personally, I have never heard the argument that the 'white light' which some have seen in a near-death experience was a 'tunnel to hell'. I suspect that someone took the statements which others had said concerning having seen this 'white light', and embellished them so as to promote his own agenda. This is commonly called an example of the end's justifying the means, even if 'the means' is a lie. I do not approve of those tactics.

 

[Pure760]

Technically all religion is wrong because it is mearly belief, absent of God.

 

[lucaspa]

Hi all this may be long

Yeah, it was long.

Who said that someone denomination is wrong because it's different than yours?
Who says that anyone religion has the right religion.

Lots of people have said that, if you don't do their religion, you don't have the right one! I suggest you find some books by Harvey Cox. He argues that God may have made many paths to Him, because not everyone would feel comfortable with a single path. Some would do better with New Age, some with Islam, some with Christianity, some with Hinduism, etc.

I Wonder if this was always like that when Jesus use to walk this earth
What is Jesus religion?

In Jesus' day there were several "denominations" or beliefs within Judaism. We here most about the Pharisees because Jesus was against them. Look up "Essenes" on the web. In the early years of Christianity there were dozens/hundreds of denominations. You can see in the letters of Paul that he is usually telling his congregation that so-and-so is wrong. There were lots of preachers wandering around and Paul didn't agree with most of them!

Jesus' religion was Jewish. Jesus was born a Jew, lived a Jew, and died a Jew.

because i don't understand how we got mixed up and separated into different groups? who decided that?

People did. Jesus was not at all clear in describing his relationship with God. "Son of man" may have meant something particular to the people of the time, but we don't have a clue. So there were many ideas about Jesus: he was the adopted son of God; he was the begotten son of God; he only looked human but was fully divine; he was fully human and was not at all divine, he was both God and human, Trinity, etc. Eventually the idea of Trinity convinced everyone.

Is the practice of the Hindu, native American, Indians, Chinese, African, religion wrong? and Why would it be?

Maybe. In John, Jesus says "I am the way, the truth, and the light. No one comes to the Father but thru me." But that was right after Jesus says, "In my father's house are many rooms, I go to prepare one for you."

So, is Jesus saying only Christianity is right, or is he describing an organizational chart when he says no one comes to the Father but thru him? Imagine a large corporation. You write a memo to the CEO. But all memos go thru the office of the Chief Financial Officer first. So your memo, without your knowledge, goes to the CEO thru the CFO.

All Hindus, Moslems, Jainists, etc. may go thru Jesus to God; they just don't realize it.

Again, you might want to read Harvey Cox on this.

I don't believe that meditation or white light meditation is wrong.

Neither do I. Isn't prayer a form of meditation? If white light meditation works better for you in communicating with God, then go for it.

I think things such as astral projection, remote viewing, isn't a safe practice,

I am very skeptical that these things are real. I'm not sure about the "demons" thing, but rather that we just don't leave our bodies. And viewing someone else without their permission is a terrible invasion of privacy!

My advice is to try it. If you feel wrong about it, like it is not associated with God, then stop. You sound like you can tell good from evil, and if it feels evil, then run away and never do it again.

 

[Edwards1984]

Lots of people have said that, if you don't do their religion, you don't have the right one! I suggest you find some books by Harvey Cox. He argues that God may have made many paths to Him, because not everyone would feel comfortable with a single path. Some would do better with New Age, some with Islam, some with Christianity, some with Hinduism, etc.

And what scripture does he use to affirm that?

People did. Jesus was not at all clear in describing his relationship with God. "Son of man" may have meant something particular to the people of the time, but we don't have a clue. So there were many ideas about Jesus: he was the adopted son of God; he was the begotten son of God; he only looked human but was fully divine; he was fully human and was not at all divine, he was both God and human, Trinity, etc. Eventually the idea of Trinity convinced everyone.

Most of those ideas you discussed were later heresies, most of which came from Gnostic ideals which had nothing to do with the Jewish beliefs that Christ and the apostles would have been familiar with. Furthermore, the "idea of the Trinity" did not "convince everyone." The Trinity is easily teachable from scripture, and was a belief recorded as early as the Church Fathers Ignatius and Irenaeus.

Since, also, there is but one unbegotten Being, God, even the Father; and one only-begotten Son, God, the Word and man; and one Comforter, the Spirit of truth... [Ignatius, Epistle to the Philadelphians, Chapter 4]

[The church believes] in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God... [Irenaeus, Against Heresies I, 10:1]
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No one had to be "convinced" until heresies which strayed from the truth came into existence.

Likewise, the title "Son of Man" has been fairly understood throughout history - in fact, this is the first time ever that I've ever heard anyone argue, "Well, I have no clue what it means, and no one does!" I recently took a 101-level biblical language course and they could fully understand and teach what it means. Son of Man was a title commonly used (especially in the Old Testament) to denote mortality or a mortal nature, and Christ uses it in Himself to refer to His human nature. This is similar to Son of Levi, referring to a descendant of Levi (unless, of course, you want to argue that no one knows what "Sons of Levi" means).

Maybe. In John, Jesus says "I am the way, the truth, and the light. No one comes to the Father but thru me." But that was right after Jesus says, "In my father's house are many rooms, I go to prepare one for you."

So, is Jesus saying only Christianity is right, or is he describing an organizational chart when he says no one comes to the Father but thru him?...All Hindus, Moslems, Jainists, etc. may go thru Jesus to God; they just don't realize it.

I'm afraid that's a great example of eisegesis. When Christ said "I go to prepare one for you," who is the "you" He was referring to directly? The apostles, His believers and faithful followers. He was not saying a generic "you," and to argue such is to leap from the immediate context of the passage. It was this statement that is the reason Thomas asks how they will know the way, and then Christ states that He is the only way to the Father. Indeed, it is virtually impossible to read the Gospel of John and come to the conclusion of universalism without performing willful ignorance of the text.

There are other passages which simply do not support the concept of universalism in any way, shape or form:

So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven, but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven. [Matthew 10:32-33]

But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. [John 1:12-13]

"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." [John 3:18]

Martha said to him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day." Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die..." [John 11:23-26]

"And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." [Acts 4:12]
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From Matthew to Revelation, scripture makes it abundantly clear that it is that saving faith in Christ which is our salvation, and from which we find the propitiation for our sins (Rom 3:24-25), for which we are all guilty (Rom 1:18, Rom 3:10-11). To suggest otherwise is simply to teach heresy. "Hindus, Moslems, Jainists, etc." may come to the Father, but only after they repent of their sins and error and come to know Christ as their Lord and Sovereign.

 

[razeontherock]

May I suggest to the OP that as a God-fearing Christian, you want to pray to be filled with the Holy Spirit? The mechanism differs from non-Christian meditation primarily in that "the Lord's Prayer" serves as an outline for how to go about this ...