Is the thousand years of Revelation chapter 20 symbolic?

[Zao is life]

There is nothing in the Bible which proves what you are claiming above.
Do you think Satan now lives in heaven with God, and Christ?


Do you think Satan was in heaven after Genesis chapter 3?


The protoevangelium is found below in verse 15.
God promised Satan the seed of the woman would destroy him.

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

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[BABerean2]

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If you think the beginning of Revelation 12 lies in the future, do you believe Christ has not been born yet?

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.


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[Zao is life]

There is nothing in the Bible which proves what you are claiming above.
Do you think Satan now lives in heaven with God, and Christ?


Do you think Satan was in heaven after Genesis chapter 3?


The protoevangelium is found below in verse 15.
God promised Satan the seed of the woman would destroy him.

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

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I'm placing you on ignore now because you have refused to address the issues brought up in post #1, have repeatedly asked the same questions which you have already received replies to, and you are ignoring any scriptures brought up which bring your theory into difficulty, and then all you do is shoot out your own treasure-house of stored questions and posts from other threads, which you just copy and paste. You're clearly not interested in anything except your own game, which is to keep pointing back to your own error.

But I do not regard the Word of truth as a game.

 

[BABerean2]

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I'm placing you on ignore now because you have refused to address the issues brought up in post #1, have repeatedly asked the same questions which you have already received replies to, and you are ignoring any scriptures brought up which bring your theory into difficulty, and then all you do is shoot out your own treasure-house of stored questions and posts from other threads, which you just copy and paste. You're clearly not interested in anything except your own game, which is to keep pointing back to your own error.

But I do not regard the Word of truth as a game.

Anyone who believes Christ will be performing funeral services for many years after His Second Coming needs to look in the mirror and apply the comments above to himself.


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[Timtofly]

Defeated is a lesser state than "bound"?
really?

Satan is only bound for Christ and those in Christ. He is never Bound for or by the unrepentant, nor will he ever be.

Contrary to what seems to be being argued here, The unrepentant will NEVER share in Christ's victory over satan.

That said, in the Matthew 12:28-29 passage, Did Jesus claim to have "Bound the strong man", or not?

Here it is again:

If I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you...how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.

Symbolically, sure. The next time it will be literal. The kingdom is spiritual right now, not physical. In the spiritual kingdom the binding is symbolic. In the physical kingdom, the binding is literal and physical. Amill switch the bindings around and apply them wrong.

 

[BobRyan]

Scripture states Jesus will return physically to earth, the same way He left

True.

At the 2nd coming He returns physically to rapture the saints and take them to heaven for 1000 years.

Then at the end of the 1000 years in Rev 20 he comes physically and remains on Earth - bringing all the saints with him. Judging the wicked after that 2nd resurrection event at the end of the 1000 years and then creating a New Earth.

It is at that time that He returns to the same place He left from - the mount of Olives.
He will split it in two, then destroy all the nations armies that are attacking Jerusalem.

He will rule the nations with a rod of Iron in that Great White Throne Judgment and lake of fire event of Rev 20.

However long you wish to claim the time period will be after His second coming, it’s crystal clear, that the above events haven’t happened yet.

agree. no question about that one.

 

[BobRyan]

BABerean2 said: ↑
Based on the following scripture, will immortals and mortals both live on the earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ?

What does any of this have to do with a literal 1000 years? You do not have any more of an answer than the rest of us who read the Bible.

Actually he is addressing a very key point. Many many Christian groups believe in a form of pre-mill second coming that has Christ setting up shop on Earth with both the saints and the wicked all living together under one rule of Christ in what they consider the millennial kingdom on Earth. He is directly questioning those assumptions.

 

[DavidPT]

Anyone who believes Christ will be performing funeral services for many years after His Second Coming needs to look in the mirror and apply the comments above to himself.


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Do you recall reading about Adam in the OT? Do you recall that he was a mortal, yet almost lived an entire literal 1000 years? If a mortal could do that in the beginning of this age, why couldn't a mortal do even better than that in the next age, this time around live an entire literal thousand years? What this would basically imply per this scenario, some of the ones satan managed to deceive in the end of this age, yet God spared them from destruction at the 2nd coming for whatever reasons, these same ones are no longer deceived during the millennium, but are once again deceived when satan is loosed after the millennium.

 

[BobRyan]

Do you recall reading about Adam in the OT? Do you recall that he was a mortal, yet almost lived an entire literal 1000 years? If a mortal could do that in the beginning of this age, why couldn't a mortal do even better than that in the next age,

Do you believe that all mankind both the saints and the wicked have access to the Tree of Life during the 1000 years that you believe to be on Earth?

Do you believe that just as Adam was dropping dead due to old age when he reached his 900's so all humans that begin that 1000 years will be aged and past ready to die at the end?

 

[BABerean2]

Do you recall reading about Adam in the OT? Do you recall that he was a mortal, yet almost lived an entire literal 1000 years? If a mortal could do that in the beginning of this age, why couldn't a mortal do even better than that in the next age, this time around live an entire literal thousand years? What this would basically imply per this scenario, some of the ones satan managed to deceive in the end of this age, yet God spared them from destruction at the 2nd coming for whatever reasons, these same ones are no longer deceived during the millennium, but are once again deceived when satan is loosed after the millennium.

You seem to be inferring a partial removal of the curse after the Second Coming of Christ, instead of a total removal of the curse.

If both mortals and immortals are living together on the same planet for 1,000 years, do you think none of the mortals will be killed in accidents?


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[chad kincham]

Actually he is addressing a very key point. Many many Christian groups believe in a form of pre-mill second coming that has Christ setting up shop on Earth with both the saints and the wicked all living together under one rule of Christ in what they consider the millennial kingdo

Actually that’s not so. When Jesus returns it’s with a sword, great wrath, and the vengeance of God upon evil doers, plus He wipes out all the armies of the nations attacking Jerusalem at that time, then rules everyone left alive, with a rod of Iron - thus the evil people will be dead.
After a thousand years satan is released to deceive many to assemble to fight Jesus, at the final battle.

 

[chad kincham]

At the 2nd coming He returns physically to rapture the saints and take them to heaven for 1000 years.

Then at the end of the 1000 years in Rev 20 he comes physically and remains on Earth - bringing all the saints with him. Judging the wicked after that 2nd resurrection event at the end of the 1000 years and then creating a New Earth.

Gotta disagree there. Jesus returns in Revelation ch. 19, with wrath and great vengeance

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Rev 19:12 His eyes wereas a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Rev 19:16 And he hath on His vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

After this, the Antichrist is captured along with the beast and the false prophet - the beast and false prophet are tossed into the lake of fire.

Then Jesus kills more evil people:

Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Note: after Jesus returns in the above verse, Satan is bound, and the millennium begins, in Revelation 20:1.

BTW, Jesus and the saints reign and rule during the millennium, on the earth.

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[chad kincham]

Thanks for copying and pasting questions from another thread - and doing so without addressing any of the scriptures in the OP of this thread, or the facts I produced regarding the Greek word for "a thousand" in Revelation 20.

I'm going to reply to the questions contained in the OP in the thread you copied and pasted from while you ignored the verses and points in my OP. However, if you reply by simply asking more question that have nothing to do with the OP or by refusing to address the scriptures and facts in my OP in this thread, I will also ignore your posts. Is that a deal?

Please understand that it's not condemnation or belittlement to point out that you have not addressed the scriptures mentioned in the OP of this thread, nor the fact that outside of Revelation chapter 20, there are no New Testament verses which imply that Satan is currently bound.

You have merely started a new thread in this thread with scriptures which have nothing to do with the scriptures in the OP, and asked questions regarding them - which would be fine, were you also to have first admitted that what is stated in the OP regarding the following is true:

1. The Greek word used for a thousand in Revelation 20 speaks of one thousand years only.
2. The fact that Revelation 12 speaks of Satan being cast down to earth and after persecuting the woman who gave birth to the Messiah, goes to war against "the rest of her offspring who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ correlates with the fact outside of Revelation 20, there are no statements implying that Satan is bound in some manner - instead, there are many statements both by Jesus and His apostles which teach the opposite.

The reason why you simply ignore the above facts and refuse to address them, and the motive behind the reason, only you will know.

I will re-arrange the order of your questions in order to establish whether the facts produced in the OP point to a literal thousand years following the return of Christ, or whether they don't:

Based on which scripture? You never followed your question with any scripture, and you have asked two unrelated questions. The two questions you ask above are not related. So let me separate them, as they should be:

Based on the following scripture,

(A) will immortals and mortals both live on the earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ?

(B) Will there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ?

(A) Based on scriptures such as Matthew 19:28; Revelation 2:26-27; Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 3:21; 2 Timothy 2:11-13; Revelation 20:4 and Zechariah 14:16-19, indeed there will be immortals and mortals both living on the earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ.

Are these the scriptures you ommitted in your question? Or are there other scriptures you had in mind?

(B) Personally, I do not believe that there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ. As far as "Ezekiel's temple" is concerned, I believe that the book of Ezekiel, like the book of Revelation, is a highly symbolic book, and correlates with a literal 1,000 years, as can be seen in these images. The rest of your questions follow in the posts beneath it because I keep getting told my post is too long because I'm answering your post that's too long:

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In Zechariah 14 we find that Jesus returns to Mount Olive with all His saints, and destroys the armies of the nations attacking Jerusalem.

Then it says, all the nations left alive shall have to come up to Jerusalem and worship God.

In 14:18 those people are called heathen, and verse 21 says they sacrifice animals.

Since Jesus’ second coming is in Zechariah 14:5, and since that parallels His second coming in Revelation 19, and since satan is bound, and the millennium starts in chapter 20, this means there are mortal people, who are heathens, who sacrifice animals during the millennium - but they’ll do it in their own nations, such as Egypt, mentioned as one of the heathen nations in Zechariah 14.

Also, the dry bones in Ezekiel are prophetical of Israel’s rebirth as a nation - and parallels between Ezekiel and Revelation aren’t surprising, since it’s proohetic of end time events, such as Israel’s rebirth, etc.

 

[chad kincham]

Thanks for copying and pasting questions from another thread - and doing so without addressing any of the scriptures in the OP of this thread, or the facts I produced regarding the Greek word for "a thousand" in Revelation 20.

I'm going to reply to the questions contained in the OP in the thread you copied and pasted from while you ignored the verses and points in my OP. However, if you reply by simply asking more question that have nothing to do with the OP or by refusing to address the scriptures and facts in my OP in this thread, I will also ignore your posts. Is that a deal?

Please understand that it's not condemnation or belittlement to point out that you have not addressed the scriptures mentioned in the OP of this thread, nor the fact that outside of Revelation chapter 20, there are no New Testament verses which imply that Satan is currently bound.

You have merely started a new thread in this thread with scriptures which have nothing to do with the scriptures in the OP, and asked questions regarding them - which would be fine, were you also to have first admitted that what is stated in the OP regarding the following is true:

1. The Greek word used for a thousand in Revelation 20 speaks of one thousand years only.
2. The fact that Revelation 12 speaks of Satan being cast down to earth and after persecuting the woman who gave birth to the Messiah, goes to war against "the rest of her offspring who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ correlates with the fact outside of Revelation 20, there are no statements implying that Satan is bound in some manner - instead, there are many statements both by Jesus and His apostles which teach the opposite.

The reason why you simply ignore the above facts and refuse to address them, and the motive behind the reason, only you will know.

I will re-arrange the order of your questions in order to establish whether the facts produced in the OP point to a literal thousand years following the return of Christ, or whether they don't:

Based on which scripture? You never followed your question with any scripture, and you have asked two unrelated questions. The two questions you ask above are not related. So let me separate them, as they should be:

Based on the following scripture,

(A) will immortals and mortals both live on the earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ?

(B) Will there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ?

(A) Based on scriptures such as Matthew 19:28; Revelation 2:26-27; Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 3:21; 2 Timothy 2:11-13; Revelation 20:4 and Zechariah 14:16-19, indeed there will be immortals and mortals both living on the earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ.

Are these the scriptures you ommitted in your question? Or are there other scriptures you had in mind?

(B) Personally, I do not believe that there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ. As far as "Ezekiel's temple" is concerned, I believe that the book of Ezekiel, like the book of Revelation, is a highly symbolic book, and correlates with a literal 1,000 years, as can be seen in these images. The rest of your questions follow in the posts beneath it because I keep getting told my post is too long because I'm answering your post that's too long:

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In Zechariah 14 we find that Jesus returns to Mount Olive with all His saints, and destroys the armies of the nations attacking Jerusalem.

Then it says, all the nations left alive shall have to come up to Jerusalem and worship God.

In 14:18 those people are called heathen,

 

[Zao is life]

In Zechariah 14 we find that Jesus returns to Mount Olive with all His saints, and destroys the armies of the nations attacking Jerusalem.

Then it says, all the nations left alive shall have to come up to Jerusalem and worship God.

In 14:18 those people are called heathen, and verse 21 says they sacrifice animals.

Since Jesus’ second coming is in Zechariah 14:5, and since that parallels His second coming in Revelation 19, and since satan is bound, and the millennium starts in chapter 20, this means there are mortal people, who are heathens, who sacrifice animals during the millennium - but they’ll do it in their own nations, such as Egypt, mentioned as one of the heathen nations in Zechariah 14.

Also, the dry bones in Ezekiel are prophetical of Israel’s rebirth as a nation - and parallels between Ezekiel and Revelation aren’t surprising, since it’s proohetic of end time events, such as Israel’s rebirth, etc.

It's true what you say about the fact that this means there will be mortal people during the millennium, but In Zech 14:18 the word translated as "heathen" is the same word translated elsewhere as "nations": gôy - and it's not translated as "heathen" in all English Bibles, but some translate it (more correctly) as "nations".

Also, Zech 14:21 is symbolic of this: "The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise."; and ""Therefore when He comes into the world, He says, "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but You have prepared a body for Me. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have had no pleasure. Then I said, Lo, I come ( in the volume of the Book it is written of Me) to do Your will, O God."

saying above--`Sacrifice, and offering, and burnt-offerings, and concerning sin-offering Thou didst not will, nor delight in,' --which according to the law are offered-- then he said, `Lo, I come to do, O God, Thy will;' he doth take away the first that the second he may establish; in the which will we are having been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once." (Hebrews 10:5-10)

Jesus is not going to re-institute animal sacrifices in the millennium.

I also disagree with the common view among Christian Zonists that the dry bones living again mentioned in Ezekiel is referring to national Israel. The only Israel in God's book is those who are in Christ - Jew and Gentile alike.

 

[Zao is life]

Do you believe that all mankind both the saints and the wicked have access to the Tree of Life during the 1000 years that you believe to be on Earth?

Do you believe that just as Adam was dropping dead due to old age when he reached his 900's so all humans that begin that 1000 years will be aged and past ready to die at the end?

Jesus is the tree of Life:

"In Him was life, and the life was the light of men." (John 1:4). "And Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes on Me shall never thirst." (John 6:35). "I am the Living Bread which came down from Heaven. If anyone eats of this Bread, he shall live forever. And truly the bread that I will give is My flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." (John 6:51).

The Tree of Life is symbolized as a river and as a tree in the Revelation, but Jesus gives the Holy Spirit and He is the bread of Life.

John saw of the "tree of life" in the visions of the new heavens and new earth which he saw, which came after the visions of the millennium.

During the millennium, there won't be any crime committed, because the mortals will all be Christians, and the satanic spirit will be bound, and Jesus will be reigning over the nations with a rod of iron, and His resurrected saints with Him, "And the LORD shall be King over all the earth; in that day there shall be one LORD, and His name shall be one." (Zechariah 14:9). The pollution will be cleaned up too. Animals will be given their place back and will abound, and the lion will lie down with the lamb. Unbelievers in the Kingdom of Christ should understand that when Christ is ruling all nations with a rod of iron, and the satanic influence is bound, things are going to look totally different round here.

Even if there were any crime committed during the millennium, real justice will take place, without the satanic influence of human rights laws, lawyers and associations interfering with justice.

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus is the tree of Life:

"In Him was life, and the life was the light of men." (John 1:4).

A good example of a text that does not say "Jesus is the tree of life".

And John 1:4 is also a good example of text that does not say that Jesus gives the wicked eternal life or even "long life".


"And Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes on Me shall never thirst." (John 6:35). "I am the Living Bread which came down from Heaven. If anyone eats of this Bread, he shall live forever. And truly the bread that I will give is My flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." (John 6:51).

All of which are great examples of giving life to the saints.. not to someone who remains as the wicked - the opposer of Christ.

The Tree of Life is symbolized as a river and as a tree in the Revelation,

no the tree of life and the throne of God and God Himself -- are all literal in Rev 22.
So also is the river of life in Rev 22... literal.

but Jesus gives the Holy Spirit and He is the bread of Life.

That is symbolic.

 

[Zao is life]

A good example of a text that does not say "Jesus is the tree of life".

And John 1:4 is also a good example of text that does not say that Jesus gives the wicked eternal life or even "long life".

"And Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes on Me shall never thirst." (John 6:35). "I am the Living Bread which came down from Heaven. If anyone eats of this Bread, he shall live forever. And truly the bread that I will give is My flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." (John 6:51).

All of which are great examples of giving life to the saints.. not to someone who remains as the wicked - the opposer of Christ.

no the tree of life and the throne of God and God Himself -- are all literal in Rev 22.
So also is the river of life in Rev 22... literal.

That is symbolic.

That's your opinion. Life consists and exists only in God. Eternal life consists and exists only in God.

The life-giver, the only giver of life, is God - the Father, the Word of God (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit:

"Jesus answered and said to her, Whoever drinks of this water shall thirst again, but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst, but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." (John 4:13-14)

The symbols are only representations of the real thing. The bread of life, living water, the river of life and the tree of life with its leaves for the healing of the nations, is all symbolic of the real thing.

 

[Timtofly]

Do you recall reading about Adam in the OT? Do you recall that he was a mortal, yet almost lived an entire literal 1000 years? If a mortal could do that in the beginning of this age, why couldn't a mortal do even better than that in the next age, this time around live an entire literal thousand years? What this would basically imply per this scenario, some of the ones satan managed to deceive in the end of this age, yet God spared them from destruction at the 2nd coming for whatever reasons, these same ones are no longer deceived during the millennium, but are once again deceived when satan is loosed after the millennium.

Because Revelation 20:4 states they died physically. They were resurrected. They were judged. They were given incorruptible bodies. Adam disobeyed God. Those in the next Millennium can disobey Jesus Christ. Not those who were resurrected. Their descendants born from incorruptible bodies. There will be millions from all nations resurrected. They will have 1000 years to populate the earth. In the last 200 years despite 2 World Wars with millions dead, the pop has gone from a billion to 7 billion. Now compare that to near perfect conditions without a sin nature. Humans will still be cursed for disobedience. Prior to the flood, the sons of God did not have the sin nature of Adam and his descendants until they started having offspring with Adam's descendants. But disobedience will be different because sin nature will be gone. But that will not rule out obeying Christ. Disobedience still has consequences.

 

[Timtofly]

Do you believe that all mankind both the saints and the wicked have access to the Tree of Life during the 1000 years that you believe to be on Earth?

Do you believe that just as Adam was dropping dead due to old age when he reached his 900's so all humans that begin that 1000 years will be aged and past ready to die at the end?

Only the first generation has eternal life. Their offspring has a choice to live forever accepting Christ or disobey separated eternally from God. Isaiah 65 and other prophecies that some claim are the next reality, should be descriptions of the millennium. Where whole nations can be punished or blessed. That prophecy has never been fulfilled. It almost happened in Solomon’s reign, but that was 100's of years prior to the prophecies themselves.

We as humans will only grasp the next reality after physical death. Revelation 22 is about all we can grasp. Most will even reject this post about what is soon to come. I doubt they can explain the next reality if they deny the Millennium.