• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Is the theory of evolution moral and ethical

Status
Not open for further replies.

As I was saying

Well-Known Member
Jun 8, 2015
1,258
200
83
Drouin, Victoria, Australia
✟2,608.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
David Berlinski is a well educated atheist, and he doesn't believe that the evolution theory is credible science. He has no agenda, no religion.

And that puts the cat amongst the pigeons for atheists that is why all they can do is denigrate him with pejorative language.
 
Upvote 0

ecco

Poster
Sep 4, 2015
2,011
544
Florida
✟5,011.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
They are using this theory to discredit Genesis which also discredits the genealogy of Christ.
a flat earth has been discredited. an unmoving earth has been discredited. genesis has been discredited. exodus has been discredited and it has nothing to do with evolution.

And the walls came tumbling down.
To them we are fools regardless.
Your words.
 
Reactions: Black Dog
Upvote 0

Dr GS Hurd

Newbie
Feb 14, 2014
577
257
Visit site
✟26,009.00
Faith
Taoist
Marital Status
Private
And who are these "well educated people" you talk about?

Ayala, Francisco
2006 Darwin and Intelligent Design Minneapolis: Fortress Press

Ayala, Francisco
2007 Darwin’s Gift: To Science and Religion (Washington DC: Joseph Henry Press- National Academies Press)

Collins, Francis S.
2006 The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief New York Free Press- Simon and Schuster

Frye, Roland Mushat (editor)
1983 "Is God a Creationist?: The Religious Case Against Creation-Science" New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, Inc.

Giberson, Karl W.
2008 “Saving Darwin: How to be a Christian and believe in evolution” New York: HarperCollins

Godfry, Stephen J. and Christopher R. Smith
2005 "Paradigms on Pilgrimage: Creationism, Paleontology, and Biblical Interpretation." Toronto: Clements Publishing.

Haught, John F.
2001 “Responses to 101 Questions on God and Evolution” New York: Paulist Press Haught is a Catholic theologian who testified as a plaintiff expert in the Dover, Pa “Intelligent Design” trial.

Hyers, Conrad
1984 “The Meaning of Creation: Genesis and Modern Science” Atlanta: John Knox Press (Conrad Hyers has served as Professor of the History of Religion and Chair of the Department of Religion at both Beloit College and at Gustavus Adolphus College. He is also an ordained Presbyterian minister)

Kitcher, Phillip
2007 “Living With Darwin: Evolution, Design, and the Future of Life” Oxford University Press

Miller, Keith B. (editor)
2003 “Perspectives on an Evolving Creation” Grand Rapids: Eerdmans Publishing

Ken Miller
1999 "Finding Darwin's God" New York: HarperCollins

___
2008 “Only a Theory” New York: Viking Press

Roberts, Michael
2008 "Evangelicals and Science" Greenwood Press

Towne, Margaret Gray
2003 "Honest to Genesis: A Biblical & Scientific Challenge to Creationism" Baltimore: PublishAmerica"

Walton, John H.
2009 “The Lost World of Genesis One: ancient cosmology and the origins” Downers Grove: InterVarsity Press

Young, Davis A.
1995 “The Biblical Flood: A case study of the Church’s Response to extrabiblical evidence” Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, Paternoster Press

Young, Davis A., Ralf F. Stearley
2008 "The Bible, Rocks and Time: Geological Evidence for the Age of the Earth" Downers Grove: InterVarsity Press


These are just the Christians.
 
Upvote 0

essentialsaltes

Fact-Based Lifeform
Oct 17, 2011
42,514
45,615
Los Angeles Area
✟1,014,302.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Legal Union (Other)
I never said that all the books I read about evolution said it was a philosophy.

You said "What I have been reading in books about evolution it is all about philosophical arguments. There's very little science in it."

You went on to say something else that shows even more that you are reading the wrong books about evolution:

"Its primary aim is to get God out of the picture and replace him with man as in "we will not have this man to reign over us.""
 
Reactions: Armoured
Upvote 0

essentialsaltes

Fact-Based Lifeform
Oct 17, 2011
42,514
45,615
Los Angeles Area
✟1,014,302.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Legal Union (Other)
Anything that is not proven is not a fact. Ask any court of law.

The common legal phrase is "the standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt".
By that standard, the theory of evolution is proven. But that's not typically what we mean by proof. We know that both courts and scientists can make mistakes.

More importantly, these judgments about proof have to do with the conviction, not with the evidence, or the facts of the case. Facts are not 'proven', they are the evidence that theories (whether of guilt or science) are built upon. Some facts may be more certain than others, and may be attested to or contradicted by authorities, but they are not proven or disproven in the court. Nevertheless, they are facts. The facts of the fossil evidence shows that the variety and species of life on earth have changed dramatically over millions of years. It is a fact that life on earth has changed-over-time.
 
Upvote 0

SteveB28

Well-Known Member
May 14, 2015
4,032
2,426
96
✟21,415.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist

Let's try a blunt approach here:

NO SCIENTIFIC THEORY IS EVER PROVEN!

Again,

NO SCIENTIFIC THEORY IS EVER PROVEN!

There - does that make a difference at all?

The fossil record provides evidence for the theory of evolution, it does not "prove" it, because................

NO SCIENTIFIC THEORY IS EVER PROVEN!
 
Last edited:
Reactions: Armoured
Upvote 0

SteveB28

Well-Known Member
May 14, 2015
4,032
2,426
96
✟21,415.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
If that is the case, then providing proof won't be too hard for you but I am not going to hold my breath.

You are the one making the claim. YOU say that the purpose of the theory is to deny God. So go ahead and show where the theory even mentions a god, let alone denies one! The theory of evolution makes no more of a comment of the supernatural than does any other scientific theory.
 
Upvote 0

SteveB28

Well-Known Member
May 14, 2015
4,032
2,426
96
✟21,415.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist

Did you happen to notice how often the word EVIDENCE is used in those excerpts? Not "proof", EVIDENCE!

Learn the difference.
 
Reactions: Armoured
Upvote 0

bhsmte

Newbie
Apr 26, 2013
52,761
11,792
✟254,941.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others

Good effort, but the denial is just too strong.
 
Reactions: Armoured
Upvote 0

SteveB28

Well-Known Member
May 14, 2015
4,032
2,426
96
✟21,415.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
If science cannot prove ANYTHING why do you atheists make such asinine statements that it does?

Any atheist, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Muslim, or Jew that claims science ever "proves" anything, is making the same foolish claim that you are.
 
Reactions: Armoured
Upvote 0

malvina

Newbie
Aug 22, 2014
490
111
91
South Australia
✟23,706.00
Gender
Female
Faith
Charismatic
Marital Status
Single
Politics
AU-Labor
You are quite right saying scientists never prove anything.
More and more - week after week - discoveries are being made that contradicts their claims
They need to go back to the drawing board and that is - GOD'S DRAWING BOARD
 
Upvote 0

Poster0

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2015
2,076
719
✟28,481.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
THe scriptures teach us that light has no agreement with darkness, and there in no agreement between unbelievers and believers, we are commanded to have no fellowship with them, and to be separate. The scriptures also teach us that a time will come when people will no longer endure the truth of sound doctrine but will instead turn away from that truth and turn aside to fables or myths. Evolution is one of those fables. Look, they are denying Genesis already, and they would believe that man evolved from a primitive ape creature that was not a man but a beast instead. Surely that is a fable.
 
Upvote 0

Poster0

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2015
2,076
719
✟28,481.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
What, you want their names?


Regardless of all your argument, the truth is that Man didn't evolve from an ape beast, and this is merely a myth created by evolutionists. Sure, maybe they actually believe it, but its still a myth. You do realize that the scriptures warn that a time would come when people would turn away from truth, and instead turn aside unto myths? ITs not too late to turn back to truth.
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.