Is the theory of evolution moral and ethical

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Loudmouth

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They are not reality, but merely the speculations of fallible men.

They sure look real to me:

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Are you saying that these fossils are just a figment of my imagination?

I don't believe anyone, who is truly objective, would actually take what these fallible men say as truth without question. They have been wrong about many things, and their techniques and data have been seriously and objectively criticized as well. To just blindly accept their findings as reality is to not be rational. Seriously, they have made fallible assertions, and when they are proven wrong they simply rationalize it with misinformation. Its not unlike what I see in certain religious circles of thought. They are proven wrong as well, yet they will not accept it, and instead will simply rationalize it with misinformation concerning their beliefs.

Then show how they are wrong. Tell me what features a real transitional fossil would have, and show that these fossils lack those features. Explain to me how these are not transitional fossils.
 
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I am unaware of anything regarding the TOE that doesn't represent the best work of the top experts in the world, based on available evidence What do you think doesn't represent the best work of the top experts in the world based on available evidence?

If you can prove the TOE incorrect, do you think that proves Yahweh/Jesus exist?


IM sorry but I have seen their fallacy. I have seen how they use flawed techniques which give them flawed data. I cannot blindly accept that man evolved into his present form, as they claim.
 
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IM sorry but I have seen their fallacy. I have seen how they use flawed techniques which give them flawed data. I cannot blindly accept that man evolved into his present form, as they claim.

Which techniques are flawed?

Be specific please.
 
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They sure look real to me:

Are you saying that these fossils are just a figment of my imagination?

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You keep misinterpreting my words. How rational are you? You know I never claimed that those skulls were fake, I only claimed that they are not missing links. Seriously, please get real.
 
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You keep misinterpreting my words. How rational are you? You know I never claimed that those skulls were fake, I only claimed that they are not missing links. Seriously, please get real.

"They are not reality, but merely the speculations of fallible men."--Poster0

You are saying that the fossils are not real. Perhaps you should pick your words more carefully so there is no misunderstanding.

Moving forward, you keep saying that they are not transitional, yet you don't give us any clue as to how you determined that. What criteria are you using? What features are these fossils missing that a real transitional fossil would have?
 
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"They are not reality, but merely the speculations of fallible men."--Poster0

You are saying that the fossils are not real. Perhaps you should pick your words more carefully so there is no misunderstanding.

Moving forward, you keep saying that they are not transitional, yet you don't give us any clue as to how you determined that. What criteria are you using? What features are these fossils missing that a real transitional fossil would have?


You seem to be arguing just to argue. I'm sure you understood me the first time when I said they are a collection of skulls. Surely I was not suggesting the were not real skulls. You believe whatever you're told. You actually believe that these people are giving you evidence rather than speculation. Man, you haven't seen the real world yet.
 
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You seem to be arguing just to argue. I'm sure you understood me the first time when I said they are a collection of skulls. Surely I was not suggesting the were not real skulls.

We have creationists come in here all of the time and try to claim that they are fake fossils. I am just making sure that you aren't one of them.

You believe whatever you're told. You actually believe that these people are giving you evidence rather than speculation. Man, you haven't seen the real world yet.

Why aren't those fossils evidence? Explain it to me.
 
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We have creationists come in here all of the time and try to claim that they are fake fossils. I am just making sure that you aren't one of them.



Why aren't those fossils evidence? Explain it to me.

Loudmouth,

Let us know when you can see the real world.

Highly entertaining thread.
 
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We don't blindly accept it. We examine the evidence ourselves. If it is wrong, then show us.

The evidence is clearly marked by mans own fallacy. These folks have been wrong so many times about so many things. They are speculating, nothing more. They don't actually know what those skulls came from, but they are merely speculating. Its not proof, its speculation, Can you try to understand that concept?
 
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Loudmouth,

Let us know when you can see the real world.

Highly entertaining thread.

Apparently, I am so blinded that I see brow ridges and a forward jutting jaw on Australopithecines when no such thing exists. I just blindly accept that those fossils have those features because scientists say so. Who knew?

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IM sorry but I have seen their fallacy. I have seen how they use flawed techniques which give them flawed data. I cannot blindly accept that man evolved into his present form, as they claim.

I don't expect you to blindly accept anything, that's what religions encourage. In science, scientists often make mistakes, but science is self correcting, so flawed techniques are qdiscovered and the data they produced discounted. What flawed techniques that produced flawed data haven't been discovered by science? Also, you should submit a paper to a scientific journal on these flawed techniques, you will be published. That would be very cool.
 
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The evidence is clearly marked by mans own fallacy.

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These folks have been wrong so many times about so many things. They are speculating, nothing more. They don't actually know what those skulls came from, but they are merely speculating. Its not proof, its speculation, Can you try to understand that concept?

Those skulls came from organisms who lived in the past. That's all we need to know in order to use them to test the theory of evolution.

You do know that transitional is not the same word as ancestral, right?
 
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For clarification:

"A source of confusion is the notion that a transitional form between two different taxonomic groups must be a direct ancestor of one or both groups. The difficulty is exacerbated by the fact that one of the goals of evolutionary taxonomy is to identify taxa that were ancestors of other taxa. However, it is almost impossible to be sure that any form represented in the fossil record is a direct ancestor of any other. In fact, because evolution is a branching process that produces a complex bush pattern of related species rather than a linear process producing a ladder-like progression, and because of the incompleteness of the fossil record, it is unlikely that any particular form represented in the fossil record is a direct ancestor of any other. Cladistics deemphasizes the concept of one taxonomic group being an ancestor of another, and instead emphasizes the identification of sister taxa that share a more recent common ancestor with one another than they do with other groups."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil#Transitional_versus_ancestral
 
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I don't expect you to blindly accept anything, that's what religions encourage. In science, scientists often make mistakes, but science is self correcting, so flawed techniques are qdiscovered and the data they produced discounted. What flawed techniques that produced flawed data haven't been discovered by science? Also, you should submit a paper to a scientific journal on these flawed techniques, you will be published. That would be very cool.

Sadly, evolutionists have turned science into religion.
 
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