Is the seventh day the Sabbath?

[Yekcidmij]

Moses did not use a lunar calendar, he was raised in pharoah's house. I guess the advanced/modern egyptians observed the new moons each month like the ancient jewish priests. Although Joseph married the daughter of an egyptian priest; so the egyptians even had their own priesthood; they did not need the jewish priests to count the new moons. Of course many of the jews were slaves, probably uneducated. The egyptian pyramids are still standing today; we even use their ancient science to make calculations. The problem with many who read torah today, they are not well educated like Moses.

Interesting theory, but the problem with this is that most of the OT is based on a lunar calendar (the exceptions being the previous verses I posted in Gen 7-8 and Daniel). Leviticus 23 is based on a lunar calendar. So I supposed we could theorize that Moses didn't use a lunar calendar, but the actual evidence points otherwise....unless you're prepared to argue that Moses didn't write the Torah.

I know the egyptians did not use a lunar calendar.

And we're talking about the Isarelites. We could hypothesize that the Israelites used an Egyptian calendar, but once we go and look at the evidence we recognize that the evidence indicates they didn't. So we can reject the idea that the Israelites used an Egyptian calendar.

By the way, the Egyptian calendar had 10 days in a week; not 7.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Lunar calendar is faulty.

It's not "faulty," it's just that the number of days in a lunar calendar doesn't equal the number of days in a true solar year (365.24...) so with a lunar calendar, the season shift from year to year.

Jacob had 12 sons, the 12 tribes of Israel.

Jacob counted each of the two sons of Joseph as one of the 12 tribes of Israel.

Pharisee Shaul considers himself an apostle;

we know Yeshua had 12 original apostles.

None of these have anything to do with calendars.

The moon orbits around the earth slightly more than 12 times in a year;

So, not really 12. Got it.

The clock are numbered 12, with two hands, three if you count the second hand; a strong or long right arm.

Huh?

Moses says nothing can be established without two or three witnesses. The egg farmers could have placed more than 12 eggs in a basket at your local grocery store, more or less than 12 jurors could have been selected for murder trial; John heard the angel counting 12,000 in each of the 12 tribes of Israel. I think there is a hidden message in the counting system. I doubt the estimates were designed to be a perfect 12, substitutes or replacements were also selected. We also have daylight savings time.

No idea what your point is.

Moses didn't have egg cartons, clocks, or jurors.

if you honestly seek to honor sabbath you should observe torah.

But you don't observe the calendar, and so the sabbath day, assumed by the Torah. So why should I?

The new moon repesents a new month, not a new week.

It was both in Lev 23. The New Moon was a new month and a Sabbath. The first day of the week was the next day.

On the 8th day after birth, a male child is to be circumcised, the child's birthday determines when the new counting system of life begins, not the calendar.

We're talking about calendars, not what day a male was circumcised. Lev 23 indicates that the eighth day of the month was a sabbath day.

This does not mean we ignore the calendar, after all the calendar helps us keep track of time in a great race.

If you ignore the Israelite calendar, then you can't observe the same sabbath day that the Israelites observed (or were supposed to observe). If you want to pick the last day of the week on the Gregorian Calendar and observe it as a sabbath, then fine. Just don't think that requiring others to do this is helping them observe requirements in the Torah.

 

[mercy1061]

Interesting theory, but the problem with this is that most of the OT is based on a lunar calendar (the exceptions being the previous verses I posted in Gen 7-8 and Daniel). Leviticus 23 is based on a lunar calendar. So I supposed we could theorize that Moses didn't use a lunar calendar, but the actual evidence points otherwise....unless you're prepared to argue that Moses didn't write the Torah.

Post the scriptures to support your view.

And we're talking about the Isarelites. We could hypothesize that the Israelites used an Egyptian calendar, but once we go and look at the evidence we recognize that the evidence indicates they didn't. So we can reject the idea that the Israelites used an Egyptian calendar.

By the way, the Egyptian calendar had 10 days in a week; not 7.

Post the scriptures to support your view.

 

[mercy1061]

It's not "faulty," it's just that the number of days in a lunar calendar doesn't equal the number of days in a true solar year (365.24...) so with a lunar calendar, the season shift from year to year.

So the lunar calendar ignores the earth's orbit around the sun? What about the 7 days?

None of these have anything to do with calendars.

It has everything to do with calendars. New moon means new month, not new week.

So, not really 12. Got it.

It is an estimate.

Huh?



No idea what your point is.

Moses didn't have egg cartons, clocks, or jurors.

Egypt did not have legal courts?

But you don't observe the calendar, and so the sabbath day, assumed by the Torah. So why should I?

Do you properly understand torah? You wont post the scriptures to support your views.

It was both in Lev 23. The New Moon was a new month and a Sabbath. The first day of the week was the next day.

Where?

We're talking about calendars, not what day a male was circumcised. Lev 23 indicates that the eighth day of the month was a sabbath day.

You must keep the whole law, not just the parts you like.

If you ignore the Israelite calendar, then you can't observe the same sabbath day that the Israelites observed (or were supposed to observe). If you want to pick the last day of the week on the Gregorian Calendar and observe it as a sabbath, then fine. Just don't think that requiring others to do this is helping them observe requirements in the Torah.

Is it strange to you, that non-jews publish a new moon calendar?

 

[from scratch]

Be honest, do you use a lunar calendar? If you use as lunar calendar, where do you live? Does your employer, governor, or president use a lunar calendar?

No and that doesn't affect the truth of what the Bible says.

I am not saying that. As usual, I say one thing, you hear what you want to hear. Like many of the students in my classroom, I tell them to do their homework, they tell me they did not remember me telling them to do their homework. Although every teacher they ever had in their entire natural life, told them to do their homework assignment at home! You may need to do your homework on the torah before you may understand what I am saying to you.

Really? The problem seems to be you're not getting the parroted answer you wish to hear. Unfortunately I have no need to pass your class.

I said the "ancients worshipped the moon and stars", christianity did not exist at this time.

So.

When you were a child, did you like doing homework? My students complain to me all the time, "that's too much homework", so I only give them one math question.

You say so, so I guess it is true only because you say so. Of course, those who are not jews made the new moon calendar. Why do non-jews care about new moon celebrations?

Where did you find that inside the fences of torah?

Its very interesting that you talk about the Torah and need to ask such a question. Haven't you read the Torah?

 

[from scratch]

Where is it written that Moses observed a jewish year? Of course in Ex 12 the jews were still located in Egypt (smile).

Obviously you refuse to read Ex 12. So what if they were still in Egypt. The evidence is God changed their calendar.

 

[from scratch]

Most of the jews in Moses day, were uneducated, so how did they publish their own calendar wandering outside in the wilderness?

Most of the Jews didn't publish their own calendar. The evidence is God gave them one.

 

[mercy1061]

No and that doesn't affect the truth of what the Bible says.

I never read anything in the bible about a lunar calendar. Maybe you should post the scriptures that support the lunar calendar that you do not use. Which calendar do or did you use to govern your work day?

Really? The problem seems to be you're not getting the parroted answer you wish to hear.

Are you calling my students parrots? I do not wish to hear these excuses, I just wish for them to be successful in my class.

Unfortunately I have no need to pass your class.

So I guess that means you won't honestly study torah?

So.Its very interesting that you talk about the Torah and need to ask such a question. Haven't you read the Torah?

You claim something is written in torah, I would like you to post the scriptures that support the viewpoint that you do not personally use in your life. There must be a reason you do not use the lunar calendar, I do not use it because I know it is faulty.

 

[from scratch]

Interesting theory, but the problem with this is that most of the OT is based on a lunar calendar (the exceptions being the previous verses I posted in Gen 7-8 and Daniel). Leviticus 23 is based on a lunar calendar. So I supposed we could theorize that Moses didn't use a lunar calendar, but the actual evidence points otherwise....unless you're prepared to argue that Moses didn't write the Torah.



And we're talking about the Isarelites. We could hypothesize that the Israelites used an Egyptian calendar, but once we go and look at the evidence we recognize that the evidence indicates they didn't. So we can reject the idea that the Israelites used an Egyptian calendar.

By the way, the Egyptian calendar had 10 days in a week; not 7.

 

[mercy1061]

Obviously you refuse to read Ex 12. So what if they were still in Egypt. The evidence is God changed their calendar.

You read somewhere in torah the calendar was changed? They were told to use their calendar, that they had while they were slaves in Egypt.

 

[mercy1061]

Most of the Jews didn't publish their own calendar. The evidence is God gave them one.

Do you understand that calendars are not perfect? This is why we have daylight savings time.

 

[from scratch]

So the lunar calendar ignores the earth's orbit around the sun? What about the 7 days?



It has everything to do with calendars. New moon means new month, not new week.



It is an estimate.



Egypt did not have legal courts?



Do you properly understand torah? You wont post the scriptures to support your views.



Where?



You must keep the whole law, not just the parts you like.



Is it strange to you, that non-jews publish a new moon calendar?

Since the Sabbath always follows the new moon by 7 days its usually not our Saturday. If you say Saturday is the Sabbath you're clearly not observing the one Moses talked about.

 

[mercy1061]

Since the Sabbath always follows the new moon by 7 days its usually not our Saturday. If you say Saturday is the Sabbath you're clearly not observing the one Moses talked about.

Where is this written? Please, please post the scriptures that support your views that you do not use in your personal life. Those that teach torah, should also practice torah.

 

[from scratch]

I never read anything in the bible about a lunar calendar. Maybe you should post the scriptures that support the lunar calendar that you do not use. Which calendar do or did you use to govern your work day?

I did and you threw it out.

Are you calling my students parrots? I do not wish to hear these excuses, I just wish for them to be successful in my class.

Are your student required to give a predetermined answer? What does a parrot do? They preform as taught and required for reward.

So I guess that means you won't honestly study torah?

No that means you refuse to read the Torah and believe what it says in this case. Its not my required answer unless you think I'm demand you believe what it actually says.

You claim something is written in torah, I would like you to post the scriptures that support the viewpoint that you do not personally use in your life. There must be a reason you do not use the lunar calendar, I do not use it because I know it is faulty.

I already did. I don't use the lunar calendar.

 

[from scratch]

You read somewhere in torah the calendar was changed? They were told to use their calendar, that they had while they were slaves in Egypt.

Hogwash!!

 

[mercy1061]

I did and you threw it out.

Can you post the scriptures to support your view?

Are your student required to give a predetermined answer?

Maybe.

What does a parrot do?

They repeat what they hear, they only repeat sounds, they do not know what they are saying.

They preform as taught and required for reward.No that means you refuse to read the Torah and believe what it says in this case. Its not my required answer unless you think I'm demand you believe what it actually says.I already did. I don't use the lunar calendar.

Post the actual scriptures to support the views that you do not use or practice in your natural life. Why would you defend a position or concept that you refuse to obey?

 

[from scratch]

Do you understand that calendars are not perfect? This is why we have daylight savings time.

What does this have to do with the discussion? The only value I see in your post is you got some blessing for it. Whoopee!

 

[from scratch]

Can you post the scriptures to support your view?

I already did.

Maybe.

If they don't give enough of the demanded answers the flunk unless a parent sues you for a passing grade.

They repeat what they hear, they only repeat sounds, they do not know what they are saying.

The same as you.

Post the actual scriptures to support the views that you do not use or practice in your natural life. Why would you defend a position or concept that you refuse to obey?

Who are you talking about?

 

[mercy1061]

I already did.If they don't give enough of the demanded answers the flunk unless a parent sues you for a passing grade.The same as you.Who are you talking about?

You posted Ex 12, you did not post the specific verses that support the lunar calendar.

 

[mercy1061]

Hogwash!!

Does scratching your head help you think?