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Is the seventh day the Sabbath?

Is the seventh day not the same as the Sabbath?

  • The Seventh day is God's continuous rest.

  • The seventh is a day just as the previous "eveings and mornings" of Genesis 1.

  • The bible clearly shows that the Seventh day is not The sabbath.

  • The Seventh day is the Sabbath as clearly shown in Exodus 20:10.

  • Not sure

  • Don't know

  • Don't care.


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Oh I acknowledge the truth all right, the SDA truth I don't and will never accept.

Is it your claim that the pro-sunday sources listed below in the signature line who all admit to the Bible fact that the Sabbath was given to mankind in Eden -- are only admitting to it because they are all SDA??



Nope and I've no idea how you arrive at such a conclusion.


You were pretty helpful in pointing to that conclusion since you deny almost everything they promote about the 4th commandment where they make the same claims as the SDA church in admitting to what the Bible says.

1. That the 4th commandments was given to mankind in Eden.
2. That the TEN Commandments are included in the moral law written on the heart and mind under the New Covenant.
3. That the 4th commandment in the OT was kept on the 7th day - Saturday and was binding on all mankind - from Eden .
4.That the TEN commandments still apply to mankind as does the 4th commandment.


There is no record of Adam and the Sabbath.

See? you start by confessing that my conclusion above was correct. you begin by naming one of the areas where you differ with those sources and with Ex 20:11 and with Mark 2:27.

Both the SDA church and the sources listed below agree that in fact the Sabbath was kept by mankind in Eden.

Your claim that these sources are holding to "SDA truth" then - is sort of odd since they predate the SDA church.


In fact Moses says the Sabbath was given to Israel alone.

I notice that when you make wild claims that are not found in the Bible - you only quote "you" as the source.

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Originally Posted by from scratch
So is Moses talking about the Sabbath in Gen 2 or is Moses talking about the 7th day of creation?​
They are the same thing according to God in Ex 20:11.


I thought we all knew that by now

At least for those who take the time to actually read Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:1-3 as even the pro-sunday sources listed in my signature line will admit.


This mythology comes from those waging their personal war against the Law of God.

Why post fiction in response to my post above. Why not quote something , a text, some actual fact in support of your view?


They are not the "same thing",

Until you read Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:1-3.

remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy - six day you shall labor and do all your work but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD..for in six day the LORD made the heavens and the earth the sea and all that is in them - and rested on the seventh day - therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Ex 20:8-11

and by the seventh day God completed his work which he had done; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it he rested..." Gen 2:2-3.




Here we see the texts for which you don't seem to have an answer .

As you and I both know - not everyone turns a blind eye to these texts. Take for example the pro-sunday sources in the signature line below.
 
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It doesn't come as a surprise to find you calling argumentum ad hominem posts "Bible-based", nor does it come as a surprise to find you urging others to reject God's redemption. .

if you are going to make stuff up like that - how can your post be taken seriously??

Why do that?


In a parallel thread you again showed that you urge others to reject God's redemption, just as you did on this thread to another member. ...

Why post fiction in response to my question above?

Why not address the point with actual fact - a post, a quote or something?

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Is it your claim that the pro-sunday sources listed below in the signature line who all admit to the Bible fact that the Sabbath was given to mankind in Eden -- are only admitting to it because they are all SDA??
How many times must I say no to such a question?
You were pretty helpful in pointing to that conclusion since you deny almost everything they promote about the 4th commandment where they make the same claims as the SDA church in admitting to what the Bible says.

1. That the 4th commandments was given to mankind in Eden.
2. That the TEN Commandments are included in the moral law written on the heart and mind under the New Covenant.
3. That the 4th commandment in the OT was kept on the 7th day - Saturday and was binding on all mankind - from Eden .
4.That the TEN commandments still apply to mankind as does the 4th commandment.
To the non listed statement I must say I don't understand how especially with my above response to a regular question.

No to number 1. There isn't any such evidence to be found in the Bible.
No to number 2. Read both Jeremiah 31:31-33 and Heb 8:6-13.
No to number 3. The Israelites were given this command corresponding to the New Moon calendar, not the Gregorian calendar.
No to number 4. Same response as number 2 applies.
See? you start by confessing that my conclusion above was correct. you begin by naming one of the areas where you differ with those sources and with Ex 20:11 and with Mark 2:27.
I didn't say there's no record of Adam. I didn't say there's no record of the Sabbath. I did say there's no record of them together. Is that more clear?
Both the SDA church and the sources listed below agree that in fact the Sabbath was kept by mankind in Eden.
Who cares what the religious people and institutions say? Some care what the Bible says while others don't.
Your claim that these sources are holding to "SDA truth" then - is sort of odd since they predate the SDA church.
I said nothing of the sort.
I notice that when you make wild claims that are not found in the Bible - you only quote "you" as the source.

in Christ,

Bob
Listen Bob I'm tired of people trampling God's Word like trash. Why should I even quote it for you if you won't read it? Its wasted effort.
 
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They are the same thing according to God in Ex 20:11.


I thought we all knew that by now

At least for those who take the time to actually read Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:1-3 as even the pro-sunday sources listed in my signature line will admit.
No sir. My Bible doesn't say is in Ex 20 nor Deut 5.
Why post fiction in response to my post above. Why not quote something , a text, some actual fact in support of your view?
What fiction are you talking about? VictorC doesn't post fiction.
Until you read Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:1-3.

remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy - six day you shall labor and do all your work but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD..for in six day the LORD made the heavens and the earth the sea and all that is in them - and rested on the seventh day - therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Ex 20:8-11

and by the seventh day God completed his work which he had done; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it he rested..." Gen 2:2-3.
Are you insisting we're ignorant and can't read having no access to Bible study aides? If not are you saying you're more learned than them. I want to see you present evidence discrediting them.
Here we see the texts for which you don't seem to have an answer .

As you and I both know - not everyone turns a blind eye to these texts. Take for example the pro-sunday sources in the signature line below.
No but you turn a blind eye to Moses in other places, the Psalms, the prophets and much of the New Testament including the quoted words of Jesus.
 
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Originally Posted by from scratch
So is Moses talking about the Sabbath in Gen 2 or is Moses talking about the 7th day of creation?​
They are the same thing according to God in Ex 20:11.


I thought we all knew that by now

At least for those who take the time to actually read Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:1-3 as even the pro-sunday sources listed in my signature line will admit.


This mythology comes from those waging their personal war against the Law of God.

Why post fiction in response to my post above. Why not quote something , a text, some actual fact in support of your view?


They are not the "same thing",

Until you read Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:1-3.

remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy - six day you shall labor and do all your work but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD..for in six day the LORD made the heavens and the earth the sea and all that is in them - and rested on the seventh day - therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Ex 20:8-11

and by the seventh day God completed his work which he had done; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it he rested..." Gen 2:2-3.




No sir. My Bible doesn't say is in Ex 20 nor Deut 5.What fiction are you talking about?

The text above appears to be more clear in that regard than you may have at first supposed.

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In the post below - you once again - make my point for me while claiming that you do not follow the post.

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How many times must I say no to such a question?To the non listed statement I must say I don't understand how especially with my above response to a regular question.

No to number 1. There isn't any such evidence to be found in the Bible.
No to number 2. Read both Jeremiah 31:31-33 and Heb 8:6-13.
No to number 3. The Israelites were given this command corresponding to the New Moon calendar, not the Gregorian calendar.

No to number 4.

Same response as number 2 applies.

I didn't say there's no record of Adam. .

As we both know -- I never claimed you said anything along the lines of 'no record of Adam".

And as we both see in your post above - you have affirmed the conclusion I posted earlier.

And lest you once again call it the "unposted statement" I will post it.

=============================== posted by fromScratch


FromScratch said:
Originally Posted by from scratch
Oh I acknowledge the truth all right, the SDA truth I don't and will never accept.

BobRyan said:
Is it your claim that the pro-sunday sources listed below in the signature line who all admit to the Bible fact that the Sabbath was given to mankind in Eden -- are only admitting to it because they are all SDA??

Originally Posted by from scratch
Nope and I've no idea how you arrive at such a conclusion.


FromScratch said:
How many times must I say no to such a question?


Then oddly enough you take great pains to show that your answer is "yes" by objecting to each point that the pro-sunday sources list in favor of the SDA practice of admitting to these Bible details.


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FromScratch said:
BobRyan said:
You were pretty helpful in pointing to that conclusion since you deny almost everything they promote about the 4th commandment where they make the same claims as the SDA church in admitting to what the Bible says.

1. That the 4th commandments was given to mankind in Eden.
2. That the TEN Commandments are included in the moral law written on the heart and mind under the New Covenant.
3. That the 4th commandment in the OT was kept on the 7th day - Saturday and was binding on all mankind - from Eden .
4.That the TEN commandments still apply to mankind as does the 4th commandment.

To the non listed statement I must say I don't understand how especially with my above response to a regular question.

No to number 1. There isn't any such evidence to be found in the Bible.
No to number 2. Read both Jeremiah 31:31-33 and Heb 8:6-13.
No to number 3. The Israelites were given this command corresponding to the New Moon calendar, not the Gregorian calendar.
No to number 4. Same response as number 2 applies.


See? you start by confessing that my conclusion above was correct. you begin by naming the areas where you differ with those sources and with Ex 20:11 and with Mark 2:27 and where they all agree with the SDA position.

I simply asked you at the start if the "SDA truth" that you claimed to object to - was not in fact the same truth as you list - the same truth that the pro-Sunday sources accept from the Bible - but you reject. And you refer to it as the "SDA truth" and yet these non-SDA source hold to those very Bible truths you claim to reject, calling them "SDA truth". You are posting as though the non-Sunday sources in the signature line below are promoting "SDA truth" when you differ with them.


Are you not aware that they held to those positions prior to the existence of SDAs or are you simply trying to bash the SDA denomination no matter what the details of the subject??

in Christ,

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So then you think that the Jews have it all wrong today

I don't know that I would call them wrong. I would say they just don't use a lunar calendar like Lev 23. The one they use now was developed mostly by Hillel II; this is a pretty well known fact too. I'm not sure they ought to stop doing this or anything though, but then again I'm not one that demands these things of people. There are good reasons not to use a lunar calendar or solar calendar alone.

- and that Christ may have been resurrected on Tuesday as easily as Sunday - since there is no telling what they were calling "week day 1".

We know pretty well what sort of calendar was in use in the 2nd Temple period. And we do know that it was the first day of the week on their calendar. They were probably using the Babylonian and Persian calendars, which were essentially the same. The Essenes/Qumran group seemed to have had a real problem with it too. They weren't using a lunar calendar like Lev 23 anymore though. I suppose with a little time and effort someone could trace days, months, years, and intercalary months/time periods around through historical documents and discover where we would be if we were using the calendar of the late 2nd Temple period, but I don't have any interest in doing so. I suppose we could use some other clues in the NT too like who was governor and emperor, the Roman census, etc.., but again, I'm not that motivated to do it.

As far as Christian worship, Sunday is the first day of the week on our Gregorian calendars as well as a pretty old tradition, so it's probably fine. We can use it to celebrate and memorialize the resurrection of Jesus. If someone disagrees though and thinks it ought to be a different day, then I don't see a problem. I'm not demanding anyone observe a particular day.

But if you want to demand that Saturday is the Sabbath and the day Christians ought to observe, then I simply point out that it's not the Sabbath day Moses knew. The next Sabbath on a lunar calendar like Lev 23 is actually this coming Friday, then the next Friday, and so on until the next New Moon arrives and the shofar blows...
 
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The option I would have voted for wasn't on the list.

My answer would be "yes," in the bible the 7th day of the week is the Sabbath, however that 7th day does not correspond to Saturday...or Sunday (or any particular day of our week).

It is ironic, the sun and moon were created on the 4th day. Moses knew that there were 3 days, with both morning and evening, without the sun and moon. The next three days, the sun and moon were present to mark the months, seasons and years. Of course on the seventh day, there were no morning or evening, morning and evening ceased when G-d rested from all of his good work. Our purpose is not to estimate time, as to publish a calendar, but it is to remember our Creator; the ancients worshiped the sun and moon forsaking the Creator.

My contention is that the Israelite calendar was a lunar calendar (and certainly not our modern Gregorian Calendar). The beginning of the month was on the New Moon and always began with a Sabbath. Count out 7 days and you have your first sabbath of the month. Count out 7 days and you have your next sabbath of the month, and so on.

Lunar calendar is faulty. How can you count the days or weeks, without the sun and moon? There was light on the first day, without the sun and moon. If we only consider the light from the sun that began on the 4th day, we are missing 3 days from the lunar calendar. Calendars are only estimates of measuring time; Jacob had 12 sons, the 12 tribes of Israel. The moon orbits around the earth slightly more than 12 times in a year; Jacob counted each of the two sons of Joseph as one of the 12 tribes of Israel. Pharisee Shaul considers himself an apostle; we know Yeshua had 12 original apostles. The clock are numbered 12, with two hands, three if you count the second hand; a strong or long right arm. Moses says nothing can be established without two or three witnesses. The egg farmers could have placed more than 12 eggs in a basket at your local grocery store, more or less than 12 jurors could have been selected for murder trial; John heard the angel counting 12,000 in each of the 12 tribes of Israel. I think there is a hidden message in the counting system. I doubt the estimates were designed to be a perfect 12, substitutes or replacements were also selected. We also have daylight savings time.


Today we use the luni-solar, Gregorian Calendar. Neither Saturday nor Sunday (nor any particular day of the week on the Gregorian Calendar) corresponds to the Sabbath as Moses would have recognized it. Moses' Sabbath is easy to identify though. It's the 8th day after the New Moon and every 7 days until the next New Moon.

Where does the moon start it's orbit around the earth, where does the earth begin it's journey around the sun? The new moon is certainly a sign from the realities, we would need a telescope to observe the moon and earth's race around the sun, however, we do not honestly know where the starting point of the race is located? Afterall, the moon does not finish it's journey around the earth, in the same time each month. I am sure the Egyptians had a calendar to estimate real time, if you honestly seek to honor sabbath you should observe torah.

Evidence for this can be found in Lev 23 (among other places).

At least by the time of the Selucid empire, Jews were no longer using a strictly lunar calendar (eg, 1 Macc, 1:54). During the Babylonian exile, the Jews seem to have adopted a Babylonian system (seen in the names of the months themselves), which was a luni-solar rather than a strictly lunar calendar. Daniel seems to have been using a strictly solar calendar (Daniel 12) as does the author of Genesis 7-8. Further evidence indicates that they ceased using a lunar calendar before the 1st Temple was destroyed. Ezekiel, a priest who would have been very familiar with Lev 23, says:
Eze 22:26 Her priests abuse my law and have desecrated my holy things. They do not distinguish between the holy and the profane, or recognize any distinction between the unclean and the clean. They ignore my Sabbaths and I am profaned in their midst.
Which I think was probably (at least in part) a reference to them ditching the lunar calendar in favor of a solar calendar seen in the priest's fascination and emphasis on the sun:
Eze 8:16 Then he brought me to the inner court of the Lord’s house. Right there at the entrance to the Lord’s temple, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their backs to the Lord’s temple, facing east – they were worshiping the sun toward the east!

Calendars are always taken for granted in these discussions, but this is a critical mistake. I doubt anyone is following a Sabbath as instituted in the OT for the reason that nobody uses a lunar calendar like an ancient Israelites did as seen in Lev 23.

Are there 49 days in 7 weeks? The new moon repesents a new month, not a new week. On the 8th day after birth, a male child is to be circumcised, the child's birthday determines when the new counting system of life begins, not the calendar. This does not mean we ignore the calendar, after all the calendar helps us keep track of time in a great race. We mark his birthday on the calendar, we have another celebration.
 
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I don't know that I would call them wrong. I would say they just don't use a lunar calendar like Lev 23. The one they use now was developed mostly by Hillel II; this is a pretty well known fact too. I'm not sure they ought to stop doing this or anything though, but then again I'm not one that demands these things of people. There are good reasons not to use a lunar calendar or solar calendar alone.

Moses did not use a lunar calendar, he was raised in pharoah's house. I guess the advanced/modern egyptians observed the new moons each month like the ancient jewish priests. Although Joseph married the daughter of an egyptian priest; so the egyptians even had their own priesthood; they did not need the jewish priests to count the new moons. Of course many of the jews were slaves, probably uneducated. The egyptian pyramids are still standing today; we even use their ancient science to make calculations. The problem with many who read torah today, they are not well educated like Moses.

We know pretty well what sort of calendar was in use in the 2nd Temple period. And we do know that it was the first day of the week on their calendar. They were probably using the Babylonian and Persian calendars, which were essentially the same. The Essenes/Qumran group seemed to have had a real problem with it too. They weren't using a lunar calendar like Lev 23 anymore though. I suppose with a little time and effort someone could trace days, months, years, and intercalary months/time periods around through historical documents and discover where we would be if we were using the calendar of the late 2nd Temple period, but I don't have any interest in doing so. I suppose we could use some other clues in the NT too like who was governor and emperor, the Roman census, etc.., but again, I'm not that motivated to do it.

As far as Christian worship, Sunday is the first day of the week on our Gregorian calendars as well as a pretty old tradition, so it's probably fine. We can use it to celebrate and memorialize the resurrection of Jesus. If someone disagrees though and thinks it ought to be a different day, then I don't see a problem. I'm not demanding anyone observe a particular day.

But if you want to demand that Saturday is the Sabbath and the day Christians ought to observe, then I simply point out that it's not the Sabbath day Moses knew. The next Sabbath on a lunar calendar like Lev 23 is actually this coming Friday, then the next Friday, and so on until the next New Moon arrives and the shofar blows...

Are there 49 days in 7 weeks? Are either of the jewish temples standing today? The jews are planning to build a third temple. However, the ancient egyptian pyramids have been standing the entire time! The wolf was not able to blow the piggie's house who made his house out of brick and/or mortar. How can you plan to build the 3rd temple and ignore the egyptian pyramids still standing in the desert sands? I know the egyptians did not use a lunar calendar.
 
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They are the same thing according to God in Ex 20:11.


I thought we all knew that by now

At least for those who take the time to actually read Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:1-3 as even the pro-sunday sources listed in my signature line will admit.
Repeating something till its irritating doesn't make it true. IOW this has been repeatedly answered.
Why post fiction in response to my post above. Why not quote something , a text, some actual fact in support of your view?
Yes truth is a strange thing.
Until you read Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:1-3.

remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy - six day you shall labor and do all your work but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD..for in six day the LORD made the heavens and the earth the sea and all that is in them - and rested on the seventh day - therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Ex 20:8-11

and by the seventh day God completed his work which he had done; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it he rested..." Gen 2:2-3.


The text above appears to be more clear in that regard than you may have at first supposed.

in Christ,

Bob

Yes I've read it several times and the meaning doesn't change. My Bible doesn't have the word is in Ex 20 like yours.
 
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In the post below - you once again - make my point for me while claiming that you do not follow the post.
Well pardon my ignorance, but I don't see how.
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As we both know -- I never claimed you said anything along the lines of 'no record of Adam".
Bull.
And as we both see in your post above - you have affirmed the conclusion I posted earlier.
Bull.
And lest you once again call it the "unposted statement" I will post it.

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Then oddly enough you take great pains to show that your answer is "yes" by objecting to each point that the pro-sunday sources list in favor of the SDA practice of admitting to these Bible details.
Bull. Who posting fiction?
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See? you start by confessing that my conclusion above was correct. you begin by naming the areas where you differ with those sources and with Ex 20:11 and with Mark 2:27 and where they all agree with the SDA position.​
Sadly these 2 passages don't agree with your ideas. I made no such confession. So I'd very much appreciate it if you'd quit lying about my words.
I simply asked you at the start if the "SDA truth" that you claimed to object to - was not in fact the same truth as you list - the same truth that the pro-Sunday sources accept from the Bible - but you reject. And you refer to it as the "SDA truth" and yet these non-SDA source hold to those very Bible truths you claim to reject, calling them "SDA truth". You are posting as though the non-Sunday sources in the signature line below are promoting "SDA truth" when you differ with them.
You know very well the truth isn't the SDA truth (a lie). I don't object to the truth. I do object to the SDA truth (a full blown lie).
Are you not aware that they held to those positions prior to the existence of SDAs or are you simply trying to bash the SDA denomination no matter what the details of the subject??

in Christ,

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No they don't worship on the Sabbath (Saturday) which shows they don't mean what you claim.
 
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It is ironic, the sun and moon were created on the 4th day. Moses knew that there were 3 days, with both morning and evening, without the sun and moon. The next three days, the sun and moon were present to mark the months, seasons and years. Of course on the seventh day, there were no morning or evening, morning and evening ceased when G-d rested from all of his good work. Our purpose is not to estimate time, as to publish a calendar, but it is to remember our Creator; the ancients worshiped the sun and moon forsaking the Creator.
To many issues in a single paragraph. I'll respond to the last sentence. It appears you're saying we worship a different creator other than the Creator. Thus you're really saying we're not Christians possessing salvation. This is a bold lie and false accusation.
Lunar calendar is faulty. How can you count the days or weeks, without the sun and moon? There was light on the first day, without the sun and moon. If we only consider the light from the sun that began on the 4th day, we are missing 3 days from the lunar calendar. Calendars are only estimates of measuring time; Jacob had 12 sons, the 12 tribes of Israel. The moon orbits around the earth slightly more than 12 times in a year; Jacob counted each of the two sons of Joseph as one of the 12 tribes of Israel. Pharisee Shaul considers himself an apostle; we know Yeshua had 12 original apostles. The clock are numbered 12, with two hands, three if you count the second hand; a strong or long right arm. Moses says nothing can be established without two or three witnesses. The egg farmers could have placed more than 12 eggs in a basket at your local grocery store, more or less than 12 jurors could have been selected for murder trial; John heard the angel counting 12,000 in each of the 12 tribes of Israel. I think there is a hidden message in the counting system. I doubt the estimates were designed to be a perfect 12, substitutes or replacements were also selected. We also have daylight savings time.
Way to much filler material here. The New Moon calendar isn't a faulty way of time keeping.
Where does the moon start it's orbit around the earth, where does the earth begin it's journey around the sun? The new moon is certainly a sign from the realities, we would need a telescope to observe the moon and earth's race around the sun, however, we do not honestly know where the starting point of the race is located? Afterall, the moon does not finish it's journey around the earth, in the same time each month. I am sure the Egyptians had a calendar to estimate real time, if you honestly seek to honor sabbath you should observe torah.
Nothing but a false issue to detract from the truth.
Are there 49 days in 7 weeks? The new moon repesents a new month, not a new week. On the 8th day after birth, a male child is to be circumcised, the child's birthday determines when the new counting system of life begins, not the calendar. This does not mean we ignore the calendar, after all the calendar helps us keep track of time in a great race. We mark his birthday on the calendar, we have another celebration.
Then by your standards the Sabbath isn't regularly Saturday because the Sabbath is always the 7th after the new moon.
 
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Moses did not use a lunar calendar, he was raised in pharoah's house. I guess the advanced/modern egyptians observed the new moons each month like the ancient jewish priests. Although Joseph married the daughter of an egyptian priest; so the egyptians even had their own priesthood; they did not need the jewish priests to count the new moons. Of course many of the jews were slaves, probably uneducated. The egyptian pyramids are still standing today; we even use their ancient science to make calculations. The problem with many who read torah today, they are not well educated like Moses.



Are there 49 days in 7 weeks? Are either of the jewish temples standing today? The jews are planning to build a third temple. However, the ancient egyptian pyramids have been standing the entire time! The wolf was not able to blow the piggie's house who made his house out of brick and/or mortar. How can you plan to build the 3rd temple and ignore the egyptian pyramids still standing in the desert sands? I know the egyptians did not use a lunar calendar.
Moses didn't use the Egyptian calendar as evidenced in the Book of the Law. Passover occurs in the first of the Jewish year. See Ex 12.
 
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To many issues in a single paragraph.

Be honest, do you use a lunar calendar? If you use as lunar calendar, where do you live? Does your employer, governor, or president use a lunar calendar?

I'll respond to the last sentence. It appears you're saying we worship a different creator other than the Creator.

I am not saying that. As usual, I say one thing, you hear what you want to hear. Like many of the students in my classroom, I tell them to do their homework, they tell me they did not remember me telling them to do their homework. Although every teacher they ever had in their entire natural life, told them to do their homework assignment at home! You may need to do your homework on the torah before you may understand what I am saying to you.

Thus you're really saying we're not Christians possessing salvation.

I said the "ancients worshipped the moon and stars", christianity did not exist at this time.

This is a bold lie and false accusation.Way to much filler material here.

When you were a child, did you like doing homework? My students complain to me all the time, "that's too much homework", so I only give them one math question.

The New Moon calendar isn't a faulty way of time keeping.

You say so, so I guess it is true only because you say so. Of course, those who are not jews made the new moon calendar. Why do non-jews care about new moon celebrations?

Nothing but a false issue to detract from the truth.Then by your standards the Sabbath isn't regularly Saturday because the Sabbath is always the 7th after the new moon.

Where did you find that inside the fences of torah?
 
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Moses didn't use the Egyptian calendar as evidenced in the Book of the Law. Passover occurs in the first of the Jewish year. See Ex 12.

Where is it written that Moses observed a jewish year? Of course in Ex 12 the jews were still located in Egypt (smile).
 
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Moses didn't use the Egyptian calendar as evidenced in the Book of the Law. Passover occurs in the first of the Jewish year. See Ex 12.

Most of the jews in Moses day, were uneducated, so how did they publish their own calendar wandering outside in the wilderness?
 
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Until you read Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:1-3.
Not "until", but "BECAUSE" I read Exodus 20:11 and Genesis 2:1-3, which along with the rest of the Law, Writings, Gospels, and epistles present in the Bible all consistently prove that the Sabbath originated during the lifetime of Moses, and didn't provide God's rest.

But you're reduced to vain repetition in deference to my point, which you didn't quote and have no comment for. It continues:
remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy - six day you shall labor and do all your work but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD..for in six day the LORD made the heavens and the earth the sea and all that is in them - and rested on the seventh day - therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Ex 20:8-11

and by the seventh day God completed his work which he had done; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it he rested..." Gen 2:2-3.




Here we see the texts for which you don't seem to have an answer .

As you and I both know - not everyone turns a blind eye to these texts. Take for example the pro-sunday sources in the signature line below.
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if you are going to make stuff up like that - how can your post be taken seriously??

Why do that?




Why post fiction in response to my question above?

Why not address the point with actual fact - a post, a quote or something?

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You haven't responded to any content provided, and you continue to contradict the Law showing a genuine lack of light.
 
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1. That the 4th commandments was given to mankind in Eden.
A component of the Mosaic covenant doesn't precede Moses. Your statement above is absurd to the point it defies the constraints of stupidity.
 
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