Is the seventh day the Sabbath?

[robinvanpersie]

And there aren't any doers of the law according to the Bible starting in the Ok Testament. To say such a thing is to pit Paul against himself as a mere fool and make him a false teacher.

It's crazy seeing such an absurd statement coming from you when a simple basic skim throughout the Scriptures would show thousands of references of people obeying and keeping God's commandments.

I almost think you're joking.

Are you joking?

 

[from scratch]

It's one thing to call Paul a hypocrite.

Another altogether to have an incorrect interpretation of Paul (as Peter clearly warned us)

[Luk 1:6 NASB] They were both righteous in the sight of God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and requirements of the Lord.

[Act 21:24 NASB] take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law.

Following the law is a death march. The law has nothing to do with the believer.

 

[robinvanpersie]

Following the law is a death march. The law has nothing to do with the believer.

So although you have been born again of the Spirit of God, you want nothing to do with the Spiritual, Righteous and Perfect Law of God?

 

[from scratch]

#1--Why wouldn't I bring it up considering it's what the original question concerned.

#2--"The LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and everything in them in six days; then He rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and declared it holy." {Exodus 20:11 HCSB}

#3--God gave the Sabbath to Israel because they were His people. But it was never for them alone:

"I will also bless the Gentiles who commit themselves to the LORD and serve him and love his name, who worship him and do not desecrate the Sabbath Day." {Isaiah 56:6 NLT}

"He said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man." {Mark 2:27 KJV}
"He said to them, "Shabbat was made for mankind." {Mark 2:27 CJB}
"He said to them, "The Sabbath was made to benefit people." {Mark 2:27 NLT}
"Jesus said the the Pharisees, "The Sabbath day was made to help people." {Mark 2:27 NCV}

Which of those translations, or any other translation, gives the idea that the Sabbath was "made" only for the Jews?
And, if the Sabbath was made to "benefit people," and to "help people," which is what Jesus says, why would God do away with it.

Take care (and I think it's time for me to move on to a different subject)

Ah you edited and added #3 comments.

MK 2:27 doesn't say that the Sabbath was made for all mankind or even any of mankind. If it does Moses is a liar. Yes the Sabbath was made for God. The proof for this is in the Greek original text. But even considering only the English version when one reads the verse in context they'll understand this fact. English says for man leaving out a qualifying word in the Greek text. There is only one person in all of the Bible referred to as the man as the Greek text states. That man is Jesus the Christ. Also the Greek text says singular and not plural in the word for man. There's no indication of all in the verse either.

 

[from scratch]

I'd be led to believe you instantly...if it were not for the clear implications of both Genesis and more importantly Exodus 20:11.

In Genesis we see that God SET APART the 7th day--because He "shabbated" on the very first 7th day ever!

Exodus 20:11 expounds on that further by clearly linking the Sabbath day commandment back to creation.
“For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."

It doesn't really matter whether or not you believe the above...what is clear is that God clearly set apart the very first 7th day, rested on it ---[how epic is that for the CREATOR to "remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy, resting from His work"] and reminded us of this amazing moment in Exodus 20:11.

God set apart the 7th day from the beginning!

Ever wonder how 6,000+ years later we still have a 7 day week?

You choose to ignore the word therefore and even the word you used because. There is no participation of any man in the Bible observing the 7th day Sabbath till after the exodus from Egypt.

 

[robinvanpersie]

You choose to ignore the word therefore and even the word you used because. There is no participation of any man in the Bible observing the 7th day Sabbath till after the exodus from Egypt.

Yet another argument from silence?

God set apart the 7th day especially for the Sabbath day from the very first 1, and made sure He reminded those at Mt. Sinai that His Sabbath is based on creation!

 

[from scratch]

And it gets even more fool-proof when you do a little bit of research on the word שָׁבַת shabath used in Genesis 2:2 and 3 for God "resting" on the seventh day....

By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested (שָׁבַת shabath) on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

is the EXACT same word/context used in Exodus 16:30
So the people rested (שָׁבַת shabath) on the seventh day.

And as if you needed any more proof...Exodus 31:17
“It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased (שָׁבַת shabath) from labor, and was refreshed.”

Pretty rock-solid.

Yes Moses was very clear and fool proof in his statement about the 7th day of creation. Moses didn't say God rested (ceased) on the Sabbath. The rest God took on the 7th day is fully stopping work and never returned to creating. There's no record that any man participated in this ceasing rest. The 7th day Sabbath is different in that its periodic on a weekly basis. God's rest isn't periodic. BTW Israel never entered into God's rest even though they had the 7th day Sabbath.

 

[from scratch]

False.

There is no such thing Scripturally as “becoming a Jew”. In fact that is something that the Scriptures definitely warn against doing.
After Israel became a nation there was no way to become one of God’s people, other than JOINING yourself to His people through the Christ.

Same as now. Ephesians 2 can’t make it any clearer…Once far off, excluded from the citizenship of God’s people, strangers and excluded from the covenants and promises that God promised those who are His.
But now through Christ us Gentiles who were once far off, wild olive branches, strangers---are now brought near and become fellow-citizens, co-heirs with all of God’s people----not Jews according to the flesh, but those who have also and more importantly had their hearts circumcised!

For it’s not those who have Jewish blood, or of Jewish descent that are the children of the promise, but those who enter by FAITH!

You can be “of Israel” without being of God’s Israel. Romans 9:6. It’s all about the believing remnant saved by grace through faith---Gentile and Jew alike! THEN in the desert and now in 2014.

Christians don't join themselves to Israel upon possessing salvation. I've never heard a single instance that becoming a Jew in any sense is required of any one seeking salvation.

Eph 2 says nothing about becoming a Jew or possessing Israeli commonwealth.

 

[from scratch]

I'm sorry Cribstyl, but you're 100% wrong: Romans 3:21 & 28 do not say "that from now on, the law was not a part in righteousness." What they do say is: the law is not how we become righteous. Can't you see that Paul says what he does in verse 31 anticipating precisely what you and multitudes of others were going to conclude from those prior verses.

I don't want to push this, and as I said in my last 2 posts to Scratch, I really don't intend to continue this, but please consider this parallel point: Paul in Galatians 3:1, 2 clearly tells us that we don't receive the Holy Spirit by keeping the law, but by believing. (I'm sure we agree on that.) But he also tells us (and he certainly isn't contradicting himself), again in the book of Romans, which by the way, closely parallels Galatians, that God gives us His Holy Spirit--and that He "gave His Son to as a sacrifice for our sins"-- so that we can keep the law:

"The life-giving Spirit has freed you through Christ Jesus from the power of sin... God destroyed sin's control over us by giving us his Son as a sacrifice for our sins. He did this so that the requirements of the law would be fully accomplished by us." {Romans 8:1-4 NLT}

Take care and God Bless

No, no. Read all of Romans and Galatians. Paul says one can't maintain their salvation by keeping the law because they didn't get it by keeping the law in the first place.

Besides that we're now delivered from the law. Delivered from means severed from.

 

[from scratch]

Let me say one more thing Cribstyl,

We both have Scriptures that we feel support our view. What I have to do (and you also), is to avoid taking the Scriptures that--at least on the surface--appear to contradict my view and sweeping them under the rug. I must take all the passages you and others present to me and pray that God will guide me to rightly understand and apply them. And so must you. (Surely we should agree: "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God." Therefore it cannot contradict itself.)

If I have been anything less than perfectly honest and open with you I pray that God will show me.

And once again, as I said to Scratch, I really do want to move on to a different subject.

God Bless--and seek Him and love Him with all your heart.

I truly wish we could agree about all Scripture. Unfortunately we don't. I think we have different ideas what all Scripture actually is.

 

[robinvanpersie]

Yes Moses was very clear and fool proof in his statement about the 7th day of creation. Moses didn't say God rested (ceased) on the Sabbath. The rest God took on the 7th day is fully stopping work and never returned to creating. There's no record that any man participated in this ceasing rest. The 7th day Sabbath is different in that its periodic on a weekly basis. God's rest isn't periodic. BTW Israel never entered into God's rest even though they had the 7th day Sabbath.

Wow. talk about *reaching*

God worked 6 days and rested on the 7th.
God's commandment is to work 6 days and rest on the 7th.

Stop reaching.

 

[from scratch]

It's crazy seeing such an absurd statement coming from you when a simple basic skim throughout the Scriptures would show thousands of references of people obeying and keeping God's commandments.

I almost think you're joking.

Are you joking?

Psalms written well after the Book of the Law must be.

 

[from scratch]

So although you have been born again of the Spirit of God, you want nothing to do with the Spiritual, Righteous and Perfect Law of God?

That's correct. I want nothing to do with the covenant issued at Sinai specifically to Israel alone. I've a much better deal with the New Covenant.

 

[from scratch]

Yet another argument from silence?

God set apart the 7th day especially for the Sabbath day from the very first 1, and made sure He reminded those at Mt. Sinai that His Sabbath is based on creation!

No my evidence is solid fact of the Bible. You're the one doing the assuming and making an idiot of themselves.

 

[from scratch]

Wow. talk about *reaching*

God worked 6 days and rested on the 7th.
God's commandment is to work 6 days and rest on the 7th.

Stop reaching.

I'm not reaching. The word Sabbath doesn't appear in the whole book of Genesis. You keep trying to place the word there. God observed no day in Gen 2. God did stop and check out His work. The Hebrew Chaldee word is shabat (a verb) meaning to cease which is exactly what God said in Hosea about the Sabbath (shabbath a noun).

 

[ihavefoundgod951]

Yes Saturday is the Sabbath day

 

[robinvanpersie]

That's correct. I want nothing to do with the covenant issued at Sinai specifically to Israel alone. I've a much better deal with the New Covenant.

Alright well...in that case I don't think we have too much to talk about.
I don't really feel like trying to explain the fact that the "Laws of God are not the Covenants of God"---so I pray you're right

 

[robinvanpersie]

I'm not reaching. The word Sabbath doesn't appear in the whole book of Genesis. You keep trying to place the word there. God observed no day in Gen 2. God did stop and check out His work. The Hebrew Chaldee word is shabat (a verb) meaning to cease which is exactly what God said in Hosea about the Sabbath (shabbath a noun).

Like I said before...there really isn't a point in arguing with you scratch.

You go on profaning God's Holy Sabbath and I will remember it and set it apart, and we'll see who is right when the Lord of the Sabbath returns.

 

[robinvanpersie]

Did anybody see the amazing header I just scored for Holland before halftime??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKDwzlw4bic

 

[from scratch]

Yes Saturday is the Sabbath day

But not the one found in Ex 20.