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When we say "the law" we're specifically talking about the covenant issued to Israel at Sinai.
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When we say "the law" we're specifically talking about the covenant issued to Israel at Sinai.Alright well...in that case I don't think we have too much to talk about.
I don't really feel like trying to explain the fact that the "Laws of God are not the Covenants of God"---so I pray you're right
Nonsense, a gentile wouldn't have the torah written on their hearts by upbringing what utter nonsense. Paul was equating that people keep most of the commandments because they try and be good it has nothing to do with actually keeping the 10 commandments more akin to keeping just two of them that John and Jesus both equate these cover 9 commandments and the 10th is just plain absent and not a moral commandment anyway so it is not relevant to Christians it is a ceremonial commandment for Israel only.I wish I could take the time and explain in depth verse 11-15, but I dont have the time
Ill try a condensed version.
The Gentiles in verse 13 is obviously referring to Gentile believers who have come to faith in Jesus.
In verse 13 Paul describes the Gentile believers who did not grow up with the Torah (as their Jewish counterparts)therefore when Gentile believers who do not have the Torah naturally, do the things of the Torahthese not having the Torah are a Torah to themselves
Even though they did not grow up with the Torah as part of their culture and upbringing, they still prove they have the Torah by their upbringing. This is because they have the Torah written on their hearts and Torah governs the way they live.
Their conscience bears witness to the truth. When the Torah is written on the heart, the renewed conscience is governed by the indwelling Spirit Who confirms or convicts in accordance with the Torah.
After All John tells us that the Holy Spirit will lead us in ALL Truth! (not just some truth or NT truth)
There is the premise here that the "seventh day" is not the Sabbath.
But the new covenant still contains the law! Where do you see the law removed from the new covenant? :
The law of the new covenant is Love or 'agape'.
Ah back for another round?Indeed Lev 19:18 reminds us to Love our Neighbor as ourselves and Deut 6:5 to love God with all the heart and soul.
And of course 1John 5:1-4 tells us that we do not actually Love God if we do not keep His commandments.
There is the premise here that the "seventh day" is not the Sabbath.
That it is the continuous rest of God.
Do you accept that from scripture?
If you look carefully at those who disagree with you in the thread you will see none of us has voted in this poll. I tired of these loaded polls especially those who show who voted for what and the choices aren't what I would vote for anyway. I am one that says God isn't working 6 days his rest has been a lot longer than a day which is something that you totally ignore over and over like sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming nanananannana when someone tells you that they are not the same.It is very interesting that almost everyone has agreed that the Seventh day of Genesis 2 is the Sabbath as described in Ex 20 . Some persons obviously disagrees, but the bible confirms that it is anyway.
If you look carefully at those who disagree with you in the thread you will see none of us has voted in this poll. I tired of these loaded polls especially those who show who voted for what and the choices aren't what I would vote for anyway. I am one that says God isn't working 6 days his rest has been a lot longer than a day which is something that you totally ignore over and over like sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming nanananannana when someone tells you that they are not the same.
How do you correlate that with Ex 20:8-11 and Genesis 2:3?Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
God's word is the Sabbath.
In the context of which you speak one would say that God does not rest.If you look carefully at those who disagree with you in the thread you will see none of us has voted in this poll. I tired of these loaded polls especially those who show who voted for what and the choices aren't what I would vote for anyway. I am one that says God isn't working 6 days his rest has been a lot longer than a day which is something that you totally ignore over and over like sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming nanananannana when someone tells you that they are not the same.
I agree we should be keeping the seventh day Sabbath every week. All Christians.We should be in his rest now.
How do you correlate that with Ex 20:8-11 and Genesis 2:3?
I don't.. they are two different types of sabbaths entirely as God didn't start working again so his sabbath is eternal while Israel's Sabbath is just a day and in itself testifies nothing of God creating but rather man working (creating) in other words you are trying to elevate an inferior sabbath of man to that of God one of 6 days work 1 day off to that of 6 days work forever off. If you are truly keeping the Genesis sabbath you would never go back to work after working 6 days..... NEVERHow do you correlate that with Ex 20:8-11 and Genesis 2:3?
Are you trying to dodge the question? You POV is the Sabbath is given to all mankind. You've no passage to back up your idea. Now it seems you also wish to deny Ex 31:13 about it being given strictly to Israel for a specific purpose. I get the idea you don't like Moses either.How do you correlate that with Ex 20:8-11 and Genesis 2:3?
Your point was that the Sabbath was God's word. Now you are saying law. Which is it?Good questions.
The law is a schoolmaster
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Where in Scripture is the Sabbath ever implied to be man's making? So God did not create blessed and Sanctify the Sabbath?I don't.. they are two different types of sabbaths entirely as God didn't start working again so his sabbath is eternal while Israel's Sabbath is just a day and in itself testifies nothing of God creating but rather man working (creating) in other words you are trying to elevate an inferior sabbath of man to that of God one of 6 days work 1 day off to that of 6 days work forever off. If you are truly keeping the Genesis sabbath you would never go back to work after working 6 days..... NEVER
You have quoted the scripture that it was made for man yourself, while the Genesis sabbath was not made for man at all but it was made for God. God is still resting why aren't you resting every day? Because you are stuck in a man made sabbath.Where in Scripture is the Sabbath ever implied to be man's making? So God did not create blessed and Sanctify the Sabbath?
Originally Posted by JacobLaw
God's word is the Sabbath.
Your point was that the Sabbath was God's word. Now you are saying law. Which is it?
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