Is the sabbath still a moral law?

[eleos1954]

We're all one in Christ Jesus. But as the Spirit declared in Acts 15, I am not under the Law. As the Spirit declared through Paul in Galatians 5:1-8, teaching Gentiles to follow the entire Law cuts in on the Gospel. Moreover, Sabbath-keeping was not listed as a fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5:22-23. Rather, it was listed as evidence that Gentiles were turning away from the Gospel to the Law in Galatians 4:9-11.

All the various holy day festivals in Colossians 2:16 involved days that took place at various times of the year as well as yearly holy days such as the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) and monthly such as the New Moon celebrations already discussed. As these were all a shadow of things to come and those things have past and the shadows are now gone, to still observe these days would be putting us back into unnecessary bondage. This is what

Paul is speaking of in Galatians 4:9-10 which says, “But now, after that you have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn you again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days, and months, and times, and years.”

Note that the Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments of God that defines what sin is and the Commandments of God are never spoken of flippantly such as referring to the fourth Commandment as a day. It is always called “the Sabbath” or “Sabbath day” but it is never referred to superficially as just a day. Paul is not exhorting you can simply ignore the Sabbath of the Lord as some have wrongly concluded. He is referring to something that includes all of these things, which is and only can be the ordinances of the ceremonial law.

Galatians 4:9-10 is talking about bondage and servitude and the ordinances of the ceremonial law were exactly that, which Paul also states in Colossians 2:14 and throughout the book of Galatians. Note that the ordinances Paul speaks of in Colossians 2:14 are described in Colossians 2:16 and of course did have days [holy days], months [new moon] and years [sabbath days], which were yearly sabbaths.

“Galatians 4:10 Ye observe days. These are specifications of how they were “turning back” to the Jewish ordinances of the ceremonial law. Compare Col_2:16. The days are the Jewish sabbaths. The months are the new moons; the times are the Jewish festivals; the years are the Sabbatical years. In observing these there was legal bondage to an obsolete system.”

Sabbath-keeping was not listed as a fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5:22-23

None of the 10 commandments are listed as fruit of the Spirit ... because they aren't fruit they are laws.

Comparing the "laws"

 

[Sketcher]

All the various holy day festivals in Colossians 2:16 involved days that took place at various times of the year as well as yearly holy days such as the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) and monthly such as the New Moon celebrations already discussed. As these were all a shadow of things to come and those things have past and the shadows are now gone, to still observe these days would be putting us back into unnecessary bondage.

And Sabbath was in that same list.

Paul is not exhorting you can simply ignore the Sabbath of the Lord as some have wrongly concluded.

Except he also did that in Romans 14.

Comparing the "laws"

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In Judaism, there is no ceremonial law and no moral law. There's just law. It's a package deal, which Paul understood (Gal 5:3), and James also (James 2:10-11).

 

[JohnClay]

.....In Judaism, there is no ceremonial law and no moral law. There's just law. It's a package deal, which Paul understood (Gal 5:3), and James also (James 2:10-11).

So is eating pork or shellfish against the "law" in the same way as theft and murder is? Or are some laws meant for Jews while others involve morality and sin?

 

[Sketcher]

So is eating pork or shellfish against the "law" in the same way as theft and murder is? Or are some laws meant for Jews while others involve morality and sin?

For Jews, it is immoral to break any of their hundreds of laws. These laws overlap with the comparatively few laws that Gentiles need to obey. Theft and murder are among the latter, not just the former.

 

[eleos1954]

And Sabbath was in that same list.


Except he also did that in Romans 14.


In Judaism, there is no ceremonial law and no moral law. There's just law. It's a package deal, which Paul understood (Gal 5:3), and James also (James 2:10-11).

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That's because Orthodox Jews (Judaism) don't believe Jesus was the Messiah ... they omit Jesus from the "package".

The Law of God in the New Testament.

1. "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve" Matthew 4:10
2. "Little children, keep yourselves from idols" 1 John 5:21 "Since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising" Acts 17:29
3. "That the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed" 1 Timothy 6:1
4. "He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.' There remains therefore a rest "keeping sabbath," margin for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10
5. "Honor your father and your mother" Matthew 19:19
6. "You shall not murder" Romans 13:9
7. "You shall not commit adultery" Matthew 19:18
8. "You shall not steal" Romans 13:9
9. "You shall not bear false witness" Romans 13:9
10. "You shall not covet" Romans 7:7

The Law of God in the Old Testament.

1. "You shall have no other gods before Me" Exodus 20:3
2. "You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments" Exodus 20:4–6
3. "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain" Exodus 20:7
4. "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it" Exodus 20:8–11
5. "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you" Exodus 20:12
6. "You shall not murder" Exodus 20:13
7. "You shall not commit adultery" Exodus 20:14
8. "You shall not steal" Exodus 20:15
9. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor" Exodus 20:16
10. "You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's" Exodus 20:17

Two parts of the covenant made on Mt. Sani

The ten commandments written by God on stone - and placed in the ark under the mercy seat - permanent never changing

"Moses" law - hand written - placed outside (on the side of the ark) temporary - ceremonial law ... no longer necessary

Moses’ law contained the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added “till the Seed should come,” and that seed was Christ Galatians 3:16, 19 The ritual and ceremony of Moses’ law pointed forward to Christ’s sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God’s law) “stand fast forever and ever” Psalm 111:8 That there are two laws is made clear in Daniel 9:10, 11 and identifies it as the Law of Moses.

Note: God’s law has existed at least as long as sin has existed (that started with Lucifer in heaven - committing sin - transgression of the ten. The Bible says, “Where there is no law there is no transgression [sin]” Romans 4:15 So God’s Ten Commandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law (sinned) 1 John 3:4 Because of sin (or breaking God’s law - the ten), Moses’ law was given (or “added”) Galatians 3:16, 19 till Christ should come and die. Two separate laws are involved: God’s law and Moses’ law.

Are we not to learn or understand from the mistakes and/or misunderstanding(s) of prophesy such as the Jews?

Yes we (all believers in Christ) are to learn and understand! Else we repeat the same the mistakes and/or understanding of prophesy.

Thank you Jesus for providing the way that we (all believers in Christ) might be reconciled and become one with you ... as it was BEFORE your Holy Laws were transgressed (sin) and entered the world ... AMEN

 

[Sketcher]

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That's because Orthodox Jews (Judaism) don't believe Jesus was the Messiah ... they omit Jesus from the "package".

The Law of God in the New Testament.

1. "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve" Matthew 4:10
2. "Little children, keep yourselves from idols" 1 John 5:21 "Since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising" Acts 17:29
3. "That the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed" 1 Timothy 6:1
4. "He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.' There remains therefore a rest "keeping sabbath," margin for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10
5. "Honor your father and your mother" Matthew 19:19
6. "You shall not murder" Romans 13:9
7. "You shall not commit adultery" Matthew 19:18
8. "You shall not steal" Romans 13:9
9. "You shall not bear false witness" Romans 13:9
10. "You shall not covet" Romans 7:7

The Law of God in the Old Testament.

1. "You shall have no other gods before Me" Exodus 20:3
2. "You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments" Exodus 20:4–6
3. "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain" Exodus 20:7
4. "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it" Exodus 20:8–11
5. "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you" Exodus 20:12
6. "You shall not murder" Exodus 20:13
7. "You shall not commit adultery" Exodus 20:14
8. "You shall not steal" Exodus 20:15
9. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor" Exodus 20:16
10. "You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's" Exodus 20:17

Two parts of the covenant made on Mt. Sani

The ten commandments written by God on stone - and placed in the ark under the mercy seat - permanent never changing

"Moses" law - hand written - placed outside (on the side of the ark) temporary - ceremonial law ... no longer necessary

Moses’ law contained the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added “till the Seed should come,” and that seed was Christ Galatians 3:16, 19 The ritual and ceremony of Moses’ law pointed forward to Christ’s sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God’s law) “stand fast forever and ever” Psalm 111:8 That there are two laws is made clear in Daniel 9:10, 11 and identifies it as the Law of Moses.

Note: God’s law has existed at least as long as sin has existed (that started with Lucifer in heaven - committing sin - transgression of the ten. The Bible says, “Where there is no law there is no transgression [sin]” Romans 4:15 So God’s Ten Commandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law (sinned) 1 John 3:4 Because of sin (or breaking God’s law - the ten), Moses’ law was given (or “added”) Galatians 3:16, 19 till Christ should come and die. Two separate laws are involved: God’s law and Moses’ law.

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Are we not to learn or understand from the mistakes and/or misunderstanding(s) of prophesy such as the Jews?

Yes we (all believers in Christ) are to learn and understand! Else we repeat the same the mistakes and/or understanding of prophesy.

Thank you Jesus for providing the way that we (all believers in Christ) might be reconciled and become one with you ... as it was BEFORE your Holy Laws were transgressed (sin) and entered the world ... AMEN

You're doing better now that you're posting NT repetitions of most of the OT commands - but Hebrews 4 talks about how Jesus IS our Sabbath rest, not our need to do no work from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. This is consistent with Paul's teaching that the Sabbath days were only a shadow of what was to come later, and the reality of what came later, is Christ. In him, we don't have to avoid all work on Saturdays because he did the work to save us and our rest is in him, every day.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So if you break commandments like the one against stealing or murder it isn't concerned with morality?

The Sabbath is about resting.

Simply put, Judaism observes it during a certain period, while most of non-Jewish Christianity observe it during a certain period.....nothing difficult about it that I can see......

Amo 8:5
Saying:
“When will the New Moon be past, That we may sell grain?
And the Sabbath, That we may trade wheat?
Making the ephah small and the shekel large, Falsifying the scales by deceit,

Col 2:
16
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
17
which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Heb 8:5
who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”[fn]
Heb 10:1
For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.