Is The Pope the figure of an Apostle??

[millerrod]

Are there apostles in other churchs beside Catholic ??

 

[Rhamiel]

interesting thread

 

[nephilimiyr]

Are there apostles in other churchs beside Catholic ??

I believe so

 

[GodsLittleRocker78]

Does it matter what we think if he is or is not an apostle? It all comes down to our actions on earth and what we have done for the glory of the Lord. Right?

 

[c1ners]

Does it matter what we think if he is or is not an apostle? It all comes down to our actions on earth and what we have done for the glory of the Lord. Right?

Someone told me that the other day. Not what you just did, but about the poop being the figure of an apostle. I don't know much (if anything) about the pope, so I'm just asking.

 

[stray bullet]

Does it matter what we think if he is or is not an apostle? It all comes down to our actions on earth and what we have done for the glory of the Lord. Right?

Being an apostle is about authority, not good deeds. It is about who Jesus chose to lead. Otherwise Mary would have been an apostle... she gave birth to Him afterall, quite an accomplishment.

 

[stray bullet]

In my personal views-- no. These men are self-appointed from within a closed-door assembly, a virtual nation unto themselves. I suppose this is correct for a Catholic to view as plausible if they choose to but beyond that it means nothing.

You mean exactly like at the ends of Acts 1?

The apostles weren't elected by the disciples, they were chosen by God and later by other apostles, as in the case of Matthias.

 

[GodsLittleRocker78]

But, to be an apostle of God, does it not matter about good deeds as well? I do not know myself, I am confused on this.

 

[stray bullet]

Are there apostles in other churchs beside Catholic ??

The Orthodox and Coptic churches have apostolic succession. So their bishops have authority given to them by bishops going all the way back to Christ and the apostles.

 

[stray bullet]

But, to be an apostle of God, does it not matter about good deeds as well? I do not know myself, I am confused on this.

An apostle is only defined as having authority from Christ.

None of us are good enough for any title or authority- we are all sinners.

 

[GodsLittleRocker78]

Isn't the pope a sinner as well?

 

[nephilimiyr]

An apostle is only defined as having authority from Christ.

None of us are good enough for any title or authority- we are all sinners.

We all have sinned but Paul said we are no longer supposed to look at ourselves according to the flesh. In the flesh we are sinners but spiritually we are as righteous as Jesus is and this is the way we are to always look at ourselves. We are not sinners nor is the Pope, whoever he may be.

 

[stray bullet]

Isn't the pope a sinner as well?

Yes, as were the apostles.

(in that they committed sins)

 

[millerrod]

Wasnt all 12 of the deciples of Christ each being an apostle unique in the sense each were a witness to Christs ministry, his cruxifiction, and his reserection. Eleven of which build the foundation [ Christ being the corner stone ] of christianity. It would seem that for by one to fit the label of Apostle they would also have to have been a witness to all three , Christs ministry, cruxifiction, and reserection and then sent forth by Christ, as is our example of these 11 and the 12th that replaced judas iscuriot [ Matthias ]
Matthias would have fit into these requirements as well.
The questian remains how could anyone after that generation have fit into the example--requierments of the 12 origional deciples the origional deciples of Christ.
Just some thought !!

 

[nephilimiyr]

Here's what Paul said.
2 Corinthians 5:15-21, And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.

So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Paul says that we are always to regard ourselves to the new creation that we have become. That new creation in us was/is our spirit. We are to never again regard oursleves as sinners nor should we regard our fellow believers as sinners but regard them as the new creations they have become. Not as sinners but the righteousness of God in Christ. I am not a sinner, the Pope is not a sinner, and you are not a sinner because it's not our flesh, our soul, our bodies that we are to regard ourself as but our new created spirit that is within us.

If God is no longer counting our sins against us and even the world, why do we insist upon counting the sins of someone against them and even our own sins against ourselves?

 

[millerrod]

True and do not these words then make us as one Body none greater none lesser.

 

[nephilimiyr]

True and do not these words then make us as one Body none greater none lesser.

Spiritually yes

 

[millerrod]

As i read my own posts it almost sounds like i am coming against the Catholic church. i am not not at all.
i think what they do is teach using symbolizm in many things they do and some people learn better in that enviroment. so just to set it straight i am just discussing trying to grow in understanding.

 

[Simon_Templar]

Here's what Paul said.
2 Corinthians 5:15-21, And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.

So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Paul says that we are always to regard ourselves to the new creation that we have become. That new creation in us was/is our spirit. We are to never again regard oursleves as sinners nor should we regard our fellow believers as sinners but regard them as the new creations they have become. Not as sinners but the righteousness of God in Christ. I am not a sinner, the Pope is not a sinner, and you are not a sinner because it's not our flesh, our soul, our bodies that we are to regard ourself as but our new created spirit that is within us.

If God is no longer counting our sins against us and even the world, why do we insist upon counting the sins of someone against them and even our own sins against ourselves?

you realize you're talking about the man who at the same time as saying what you quote there referred to himself as "the chief among sinners".

 

[Adammi]

This is pretty much true but the Pope is more of an office then a person. The office of the Pope is supposed to be like the office of an Apostle but in a more important way IMO. Catholics believe the Pope represents Jesus Christ as being the head of the Church here on earth. Jesus Christ still reigns but for the purposes of having one in charge (sort of speak), the Pope is the man with authority here on earth. Men may abuse that office, and a few of them have, but the man who is Pope can very well be seen as taking the office of an apostle, at least by those of the Catholic faith.

Very true, in the eyes of the RCC the "apostleness" of the Pope is in the virtue of his office, not the virtue of his person.