Is the morning star Lucifer/Satan (Is 14:12) or Jesus (Re 22:16)?

[tonychanyt]

NIV, Isaiah 14:

12 How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

NIV, Revelation 22:

16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

Is the morning star Lucifer/Satan or Jesus?

Let's check the context of (ESV) Is 14:

4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:

Isaiah prophesied against the earthly king of Babylon. He exalted himself and was prideful.

11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, the sound of your harps; maggots are laid as a bed beneath you, and worms are your covers.

He would be brought down. That's the context.

12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn!

ESV translated the word differently from NIV.

Strong's Hebrew: 1966. הֵילֵל (helel) — 1 Occurrence

O Morning Star,
הֵילֵ֣ל (hê·lêl)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 1966: The morning-star

Brown-Driver-Briggs:

appellative shining one, epithet of king of Babylon

compare Assyrian muštilil, epithet of (Venus a) morning-star

H1966 referred to a shining star like Venus. ESV treated it as a proper name. The word "star" was not in the Hebrew.

LXX translated H1966 as G2193.1-Εωσφόρος. Wiki:

from Ancient Greek Ἑωσφόρος (Heōsphóros), from ἕως (héōs, “dawn”) +‎ φέρω (phérō, “to bear, to carry”).
Proper noun
Εωσφόρος • (Eosfóros)
Lucifer
Morning Star, the planet Venus

Some connected H1966 to Lucifer/Satan.

Why did Isaiah compare the king of Babylon to H1966-Venus?

The Babylonian Empire conquered many countries and did great things like exiling the Jews. However, its glory was ending like Venus the morning star. When the sun rose, it would disappear:

How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!

On the other hand, Berean Standard Bible, Re 2:

26 To the one who overcomes and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations. 27 He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery—just as I have received authority from My Father. 28 And I will give him the morning [G4407] star [G792].

In Isaiah, it was a single Hebrew word; here, it was a noun phrase. The morning star was a reward.

Re 22:

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright [G2986] Morning [G4407] Star [G792].”

Jesus was the Morning Star. He is the believers' reward.

Jesus will come again on the last day to dispel all evils and darkness. This morning star symbolizes a new day. It represents the promise and glory of a new era.

Numbers 24:

17 A star will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel.

Is the morning star Lucifer/Satan (Is 14:12) or Jesus (Re 22:16)?

NIV's translating both H1966 and <G4407 G792> to "morning star" was misleading. They denote two distinct concepts. Isa 14:12 denotes a dying star; Re 22:16 denotes the dawning of a glorious new day.

 

[timothyu]

Good one

 

[Joseph G]

NIV, Isaiah 14:


NIV, Revelation 22:


Is the morning star Lucifer/Satan or Jesus?

Let's check the context of (ESV) Is 14:


Isaiah prophesied against the earthly king of Babylon. He exalted himself and was prideful.


He would be brought down. That's the context.


ESV translated the word differently from NIV.

Strong's Hebrew: 1966. הֵילֵל (helel) — 1 Occurrence

O Morning Star,
הֵילֵ֣ל (hê·lêl)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 1966: The morning-star

Brown-Driver-Briggs:



H1966 referred to a shining star like Venus. ESV treated it as a proper name. The word "star" was not in the Hebrew.

LXX translated H1966 as G2193.1-Εωσφόρος. Wiki:


Some connected H1966 to Lucifer/Satan.

Why did Isaiah compare the king of Babylon to H1966-Venus?

The Babylonian Empire conquered many countries and did great things like exiling the Jews. However, its glory was ending like Venus the morning star. When the sun rose, it would disappear:


On the other hand, Berean Standard Bible, Re 2:


In Isaiah, it was a single Hebrew word; here, it was a noun phrase. The morning star was a reward.

Re 22:


Jesus was the Morning Star. He is the believers' reward.

Jesus will come again on the last day to dispel all evils and darkness. This morning star symbolizes a new day. It represents the promise and glory of a new era.

Numbers 24:


Is the morning star Lucifer/Satan (Is 14:12) or Jesus (Re 22:16)?

NIV's translating both H1966 and <G4407 G792> to "morning star" was misleading. They denote two distinct concepts. Isa 14:12 denotes a dying star; Re 22:16 denotes the dawning of a glorious new day.

Thought you might enjoy this, Tony. Hope you don't mind me glomming onto your study!

Just a little fun, and a joy to me to sit on my couch and have His witness ever to focus on (see pic at link).

Blessings, bro!

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