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Is the Gospel undefinable?

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics' started by janxharris, Sep 7, 2017.

  1. janxharris

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    The Gospel remains undefined.
     
  2. AvgJoe

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    Romans 9-11 is not talking about the gospel, predestination or individual election. It is not saying that some people have not and never will have an opportunity to be saved. Rather, it is saying that God has the prerogative to choose the servants He will use to point the world to a salvation that comes not from works but from grace alone.
     
  3. janxharris

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    Yet Calvinists are emboldened by such language - they still call themselves Christians and, when interrogated, their Gospel is found to be in complete opposition to the Arminian Gospel.

    What's the unbeliever supposed to make of such confusion?
     
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2017
  4. AvgJoe

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    That's a good question. It took me along time to figure out what to make of such confusion and I was a Christian, at the time. By the way, I'm neither a Calvinist or Arminian, I'm just a Christian. Some parts, of both of those belief systems, are correct.
     
  5. janxharris

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    What would be your response if you overheard a preacher telling a non-believer that not all people are salvifically provided for?
     
  6. janxharris

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    Christianforums.com (CF) treats both Arminians and Calvinists as Christians (as long as CF's statement of faith is acknowledged (it being the Nicene Creed)), which means that, de facto (i.e. when the Calvin Gospel is scrutinized), two diametrically opposing Gospels are permitted to be broadcast.

    Christianforums.com has no definitive Gospel? Surely, this is an untenable situation?

    Perhaps I am mistaken? I, respectfully, invite a response from this website.
     
  7. janxharris

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    "CF doesn’t have an official statement on the Gospel. Trying to come up with one, knowing that there are many faith groups, would be difficult. Even though we pretty much all believe that faith in Christ is necessary, whether or not it’s sufficient is where a lot of disagreement comes in."

    (Christian Forums Staff Member's opinion)​
     
  8. janxharris

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    So to an unbeliever asking what the good news is, the response is that there's no consensus?

    Isn't this shocking?
     
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2017
  9. ViaCrucis

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    As it turns out there's theological disagreements among Christians of different traditions.

    Most of these disagreements, e.g. the Calvinist v. Arminian debate, is less about disagreement on the Gospel in and of itself--that God is rescuing the world through His Son which is accomplished through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ--as it is on other matters relating to the Gospel.

    Both the Calvinist and Arminian can agree on this, that God is rescuing the world, reconciling it to Himself, through His Son by His life, death, and resurrection; the disagreements center upon matters relating to predestination, election, scope, and the role of the human will in relation to divine grace and/or sovereignty.

    But if you got a Lutheran, a Presbyterian, a Methodist, a Roman Catholic, and an Eastern Orthodox all in one room and asked if they agreed with this statement: God is rescuing the world through His Son, by the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ; the response would be a unanimous agreement. To therefore paint a picture as though there is no definition or agreement as it pertains to the Gospel is, at best, simply false.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  10. janxharris

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    Of course there will be a consensus if an abstraction such as 'world' is used - but as soon as you try to define it then the problems begin.

    Defining the Gospel should be simple - and Paul does so in 1 Corinthians 15:3-8, but as we have seen on this thread, some Christians (as CF defines them) say that such a Gospel is only to be spoken to believers.

    The unbeliever who is curious to know exactly what it is they are being asked to put their faith still isn't being presented with a definitive Gospel here.
     
  11. janxharris

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    The christianforums.com (CF) page - How do I become a Christian? has this:
    • "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." --Romans 5:8 (NIV)
    So it would seem that CF is telling unbelievers that Christ died for them. That being the case, why would CF allow those that say that Christ did not die for all people (and therefore contradicting CF's view of the Gospel) to post in the 'Christians only' forums?

    The page also says this:

    The central theme of the Bible is God's love for you and for all people. This love was revealed when Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came into the world as a human being, lived a sinless life, died on the cross, and rose from the dead. Because Christ died, your sins can be forgiven, and because He conquered death you can have eternal life. You can know for sure what will become of you after you die.
     
  12. janxharris

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    The page also has this:

    The Gospel is the Good News that, because of what Christ has done, we can be forgiven and can live forever.

    No Calvinist (no consistent Calvinist) would say that to an unbeliever.
     
  13. janxharris

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    No response? CF tells unbelievers about an offer of salvation but allows those that say Christ did not die for everyone to post on the Christians only forums? Allows them to post that God had every right to choose and exclude from a totally depraved mass of humanity?
     
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