Is the Earth Flat?

[Edwin Wright]

In the 1970s Air New Zealand operated luxury sightseeing flights over Antarctica in the B747-200, but these were discontinued after the pilots of one became disoriented and flew into a mountain.

The flights from New Zealand to Antarctica were not trans-Antarctic flights. They flew from Auckland within 10 degrees longitude of due south to the airspace near McMurdo Sound (about latitude 77.5. degrees south), returning north to Auckland. Those flight do not disprove the fact that trans-Antarctic flights are impossible due to the adjoined firmament at or near the Southern Circumference (i.e., at or near latitude 90 degrees south). You need to investigate The Antarctic Treaty of 1 December 1959 to see the extent to which access Antarctica is absolutely controlled.

 

[prodromos]

The flights from New Zealand to Antarctica were not trans-Antarctic flights. They flew from Auckland within 10 degrees longitude of due south to the airspace near McMurdo Sound (about latitude 77.5. degrees south), returning north to Auckland. Those flight do not disprove the fact that trans-Antarctic flights are impossible due to the adjoined firmament at or near the Southern Circumference (i.e., at or near latitude 90 degrees south). You need to investigate The Antarctic Treaty of 1 December 1959 to see the extent to which access Antarctica is absolutely controlled.

Still refusing to answer the questions, and now resorting to strawman attacks just so you can slip in some nonsense about the alleged firmament. I'm willing to bet that you have never read the Antarctic Treaty, seeing as you badly misrepresent its content.

 

[Mark Quayle]

It must take a lot of velcro to stick the air to a spinning ball.

Your comment assumes the same mistake the webpage article author does. The air has barely any friction with space, but, relatively, a lot of friction with the earth. It has [almost] no reason NOT to spin with the earth.

Prevailing winds - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wind

Wind is the movement of air caused by the uneven heating of the Earth by the sun.

education.nationalgeographic.org

Re-read the webpage: Heliocentrism Refuted: Experimental Proof of a Stationary Earth and bring up the referenced NASA document. Many airline pilots know that the earth is a stationary plane but keep quiet about it to preserve job security. In military ballistics, the (alleged) rotation of the earth is seriously considered because it would have to be if the earth rotated. But in actual practice, it never does enter into the calculations for the simple reason that the earth does not rotate.

Yes, I've heard that before, from a cousin and from a nephew. If "official documents" were all to be taken seriously, this country would already be done with Civil War II.

I'd be curious to hear your positive proofs; your negative 'proofs' (i.e. that "the opposition is wrong, because...") just doesn't do it for me.

 

[JacksBratt]

In the 1970s Air New Zealand operated luxury sightseeing flights over Antarctica in the B747-200, but these were discontinued after the pilots of one became disoriented and flew into a mountain.

So, you cancel flights because one pilot became disoriented and crashed? That, to me, is a very weak reason for canceling a program... based on one individual's issues..

Was there a reason discovered for this pilot's disorientation? What is special about Antarctica that would cause a disorientation? Are we going to see a flight for other destinations also canceled if a pilot has an issue?

 

[Edwin Wright]

Still refusing to answer the questions, and now resorting to strawman attacks just so you can slip in some nonsense about the alleged firmament. I'm willing to bet that you have never read the Antarctic Treaty, seeing as you badly misrepresent its content.

That is a bet you would lose. See THE ANTARCTIC TREATY: VEILING REALITY.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

If the earth is a flat disc where is the center?

I ask because that would be a very important reference point. For time keeping as example. Is it Greenwich London?

And is what we have been calling the southern hemisphere really spread out so that the distances between Australia and South Africa and Terra del Fuego far greater than we ever imagined?

 

[comana]

So, you cancel flights because one pilot became disoriented and crashed? That, to me, is a very weak reason for canceling a program... based on one individual's issues..

Was there a reason discovered for this pilot's disorientation? What is special about Antarctica that would cause a disorientation? Are we going to see a flight for other destinations also canceled if a pilot has an issue?

I Think crashing a passenger flight into a mountain is a good reason to cancel at the time. Antarctica flights planned by Air New Zealand

“Air New Zealand has never landed in Antarctica but briefly ran scenic flights over the continent. In 1979, one of its planes crashed into Mount Erebus, killing all 257 on board. That disaster has left a scar on New Zealand and a likely reason for the airline's decision not to return to Antarctica for more than three decades.”

There are still other sight seeing flights available : Antarctica Flights. I found other options when I searched as well.

 

[JacksBratt]

If the earth is a flat disc where is the center?

I ask because that would be a very important reference point. For time keeping as example. Is it Greenwich London?

And is what we have been calling the southern hemisphere really spread out so that the distances between Australia and South Africa and Terra del Fuego far greater than we ever imagined?

According to the most popular FE maps.. The center is the north pole.. Antarctica is a rim of a plate of the flat circular earth.

 

[JacksBratt]

I Think crashing a passenger flight into a mountain is a good reason to cancel at the time. Antarctica flights planned by Air New Zealand

“Air New Zealand has never landed in Antarctica but briefly ran scenic flights over the continent. In 1979, one of its planes crashed into Mount Erebus, killing all 257 on board. That disaster has left a scar on New Zealand and a likely reason for the airline's decision not to return to Antarctica for more than three decades.”

There are still other sight seeing flights available : Antarctica Flights. I found other options when I searched as well.

Well, I don't.

Aircraft are extremely safe and fly mostly by computer now.. Is Air New Zealand stating that it is not safe to fly over Antarctica... Or not safe to fly in their aircraft?

If Antarctica is just a continent at the south pole... there is no reason why it is any less safe than flying over the Rockies.. or the North Pole... Or an ocean...

When we were flying to Cancun... the plane was at 40,000 feet and it was -57 degrees outside...

Now... in New Zealand... mountains are a problem?

 

[Edwin Wright]

If the earth is a flat disc where is the center?

I ask because that would be a very important reference point. For time keeping as example. Is it Greenwich London?

And is what we have been calling the southern hemisphere really spread out so that the distances between Australia and South Africa and Terra del Fuego far greater than we ever imagined?

The center or reference point of the flat or planar earth is referred to as the Northern Center (referred to as the North Pole in the globe model). See my blog post, THE ANTARCTIC TREATY: VEILING REALITY. To get an idea about the longer longitudinal distances south of the Equator, and more particularly south of the Tropic of Capricorn, see my blog post, WORLD MAPS (PART I). Hope this helps.

 

[comana]

Well, I don't.

Aircraft are extremely safe and fly mostly by computer now.. Is Air New Zealand stating that it is not safe to fly over Antarctica... Or not safe to fly in their aircraft?

If Antarctica is just a continent at the south pole... there is no reason why it is any less safe than flying over the Rockies.. or the North Pole... Or an ocean...

When we were flying to Cancun... the plane was at 40,000 feet and it was -57 degrees outside...

Now... in New Zealand... mountains are a problem?

Take it up with Air New Zealand. It looks like they are considering opening the flights again and there are other options offering similar flights now .

 

[JacksBratt]

Take it up with Air New Zealand. It looks like they are considering opening the flights again and there are other options offering similar flights now .

I don't have any issue with Air New Zealand..
I just think that their "excuse" was just that an "excuse". Something else was an issue. You don't cancel a flight route because one pilot got "disoriented" and crashed.

Anyone who has looked into the laws and regs and treaty's around Antarctica.. will soon learn that something is fishy..

 

[prodromos]

That is a bet you would lose. See THE ANTARCTIC TREATY: VEILING REALITY.

This tells me you've only read commentary on the Antarctica treaty, so I suspect I would still win that bet.

 

[comana]

I don't have any issue with Air New Zealand..
I just think that their "excuse" was just that an "excuse". Something else was an issue. You don't cancel a flight route because one pilot got "disoriented" and crashed.

Anyone who has looked into the laws and regs and treaty's around Antarctica.. will soon learn that something is fishy..

And what about all the other flights that continue to fly tourist flights over Antarctica? If you want to go there are flights.

Air New Zealand discontinued a luxury flight for tourists. It was not a necessary route and they obviously felt cancelling was the best course of action after the accident.

 

[Edwin Wright]

This tells me you've only read commentary on the Antarctica treaty, so I suspect I would still win that bet.

It is actually my own commentary. I have read The Antarctic Treaty several times.

Concerning your comment on the "alleged" firmament, let's refer to the Holy Bible. The following is from the original Douay-Rheims Holy Bible written in Early Modern English:

† And God made a firmament, and diuided the waters, that were vnder the firmament, from thoſe, that were aboue the firmament. And it was ſo done. - The Booke of Genesis, in Hebrew Beresith, I: 7, Holie Bible, Doway-Rhemes Edition (1609 A.D.)

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

The center or reference point of the flat or planar earth is referred to as the Northern Center (referred to as the North Pole in the globe model). See my blog post, THE ANTARCTIC TREATY: VEILING REALITY. To get an idea about the longer longitudinal distances south of the Equator, and more particularly south of the Tropic of Capricorn, see my blog post, WORLD MAPS (PART I). Hope this helps.

commercial air traffic link is not working. But there can be many reasons for no direct flights or cables if that is even true.

 

[prodromos]

It is actually my own commentary. I have read The Antarctic Treaty several times.

So why do you misrepresent it so badly. You either have severe reading comprehension issues or you have an agenda. I'm leaning towards the latter, but based on your inability to understand Newtons laws of motion it could be the former.

Concerning your comment on the "alleged" firmament, let's refer to the Holy Bible. The following is from the original Douay-Rheims Holy Bible written in Early Modern English:

† And God made a firmament, and diuided the waters, that were vnder the firmament, from thoſe, that were aboue the firmament. And it was ſo done. - The Booke of Genesis, in Hebrew Beresith, I: 7, Holie Bible, Doway-Rhemes Edition (1609 A.D.)

Since there is no firmament boundary at the South Pole it is clear that your interpretation of the Scriptures is defective.

 

[prodromos]

If someone in Invercargill, NewZealand is looking due South at 6am, and another person in Punta Arenas, Chile is looking due South at 10pm, that is they are making their observation at the same instant, they both see exactly the same constellation of stars despite there being nearly 90° of angle difference in their viewing direction on a flat earth model. The only difference is that there will be approximately a 90° rotation around the South Celestial Pole.

How do you account for that?

 

[Michael Snow]

Do you believe the Earth is flat? If so, to what degree do you believe the Earth is flat?

No. And many folks that do are in need of deliverance. Others are deluded by those folks.

 

[coffee4u]

No. And many folks that do are in need of deliverance. Others are deluded by those folks.

I don't believe it is flat, but those who do certainly don't need deliverance. Leave them be.