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Is the Conservative Christian Right in the South
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CryptoLutheran
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I generally regard the Religious Right as being one of the biggest threats to the integrity of the Christian faith in the 21st century. The marriage of political power and Christian triumphalism is, in a word, cancerous.
-CryptoLutheran
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Ginger Elkhart
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Mercifully, I am from Indiana. Which is North. Therefore, my Christian views are correct and non-heretical.
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Well, the problem is that you've made up a name for a group of people without defining who those people are, so how are we to know whether or not they're Christians?
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Funny, having read many of your posts, I feel the same about people like you.
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CryptoLutheran
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For the sake of satiating my curiosity, could you please elaborate on "people like you". My assumption would be that you perceive me to be a "liberal Christian", but without clarification the statement is ambiguous at best. I'm not entirely sure what group I'm representative of here.
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Human beings who share similar political and theological beliefs such as those you have stated here.
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Okay, then if the Christian majority has become Caesar, then it follows that they should rule as Christ would. This means to me that they should be in favor of a limited welfare state that helps the needy, a socialized health care system (the Korean one is the best one I have seen so far) that protects the sick, and for regulation of the financial system, because usury is a sin. Most conservative Christians are against this. Therefore, they are not Christians. Therefore they are being led by anti-Christs.
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Sketcher
Born Imperishable
But the New Testament does not call for a welfare state, and one's political stances are not what makes one Christian - whether they have saving faith in Jesus Christ or not does. It also doesn't follow that people have the luxury of ruling as Christ would, since he has unlimited power which he would undoubtedly use, and we do not. The last hundred years have shown however, that when the government makes a system based on redistributing wealth, bad things happen.Okay, then if the Christian majority has become Caesar, then it follows that they should rule as Christ would. This means to me that they should be in favor of a limited welfare state that helps the needy, a socialized health care system (the Korean one is the best one I have seen so far) that protects the sick, and for regulation of the financial system, because usury is a sin. Most conservative Christians are against this. Therefore, they are not Christians. Therefore they are being led by anti-Christs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyUu-8nbd58
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True, it doesn't, but the New Testament does call for those of the same opinion to sell all their possessions and give them to the poor, to break bread with the poor. And since modern Christians are the majority, are Caesar, and since the words of Jesus Christ and the Apostles are the words of God, Christians should be for a limited welfare state that helps the poor. In fact, this is how the legislation was passed in the first place.
This is wrong, this is anti-Christ preacher/priest sophistry. What makes one Christian is whether they have Faith in Jesus Christ BY living like he did and by living the values of the New Testament.
You are right. It only makes sense if we live the VALUES of the Bible that Christ espoused. Actually living like Christ is impossible, because we are not Christ. See, SOPHISTRY.
No, the last one hundred years have shown communism to be unworkable. The welfare state, except for some parasitism, has been shown successful.
And this is what I am talking about. As far as I can tell, Sketcher, you are not a Christian.
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Sketcher
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1) The majority does not Caesar make.
2) If the New Testament does not call for a welfare state, then there is no New Testament case for the necessity of Caesar putting on a welfare state.
3) What Scripture does call for is for the church to care for the poor. That is naturally a bottom-up solution, rather than a top-down solution. Top-down solutions such as a welfare state are proven failures which are politically very hard to change. Bottom-up solutions such as food banks, car ministries, coat drives, and the like are both very effective and very adaptable.
While we are to live according to Christ's morals, what you're saying is completely wrong according to the Bible and the early creeds. We are saved by faith:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. " - John 3:16-18
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. " - Ephesians 2:8-10
Also, there's a big difference between living according to Jesus' values and having a Leviathan welfare state. Since the NT does not call for a welfare state, there's no truly Biblical case for a welfare state in an industrial economy, let alone one patterned after the way we've been doing it over the last hundred years.
The welfare state is full of exploitation and false promises. It keeps people down by penalizing their efforts to climb out of the holes they're in, and rewarding their staying put. It disincentivizes actual hands-on love for your neighbor, as well as equipping people to succeed themselves, since the government is just supposed to take care of it all. And it is on the way out - Greece and Ireland are bankrupt because of it, and the rest of Western Europe is soon to follow. With this in mind, going for more a a welfare state is neither smart nor moral.
That is up to God, and not to you. He is my judge, not you. We are not to judge whether one is Christian or not on political lines, and that makes perfect sense since there's hardly any politics in the New Testament.
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." - Matthew 7:1-2
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Fatally.Yours
I may be bad, but I'm perfectly good at it.
The religious right don't seem like very nice people. And for Christians, they really don't seem to have concern for others.
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Fatally.Yours
I may be bad, but I'm perfectly good at it.
I spoke to one who was absolutely lovely, if we hadn't been on opposite sides of the Atlantic I would have definitely considered dating him.
It's the rest of the ones I've met I have an issue with...
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