Is the 6th seal about the destruction of Jerusalem?

[claninja]

Jesus prophecied destruction coming on Jerusalem because they did not recognize the timing of his coming. It’s interesting to note Jesus mentions children being torn down.
43 For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side 44 and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
Luke 19:43-44 - Bible Gateway passage: Luke 19:43-44 - English Standard Version
Jesus mentioned, during the olivet discourse, the distress that pregnant and nursing women will have when Jerusalem is seiged:
23 Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people.
Luke 21:23 - Bible Gateway passage: Luke 21:23 - English Standard Version
When Jesus was carrying his cross, he prophesied to the women not to weep for him, but for themselves, because destruction would be coming. He even goes further to say blessed are those who are barren. Jesus quoted Hosea 10:8 in regards to this destruction.
But turning to them Jesus said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ 30 Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’ 31 For if they do these things when the wood is green, what will happen when it is dry?”
Luke 23:28-31 - Bible Gateway passage: Luke 23:28-31 - English Standard Version

All of this seems to be pointing toward the coming destruction that Jews would soon face.

It’s also interesting to note that the 6th seal in revelation mentions Hosea 10:8
calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”
Revelation 6:16-17 - Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 6:16-17 - English Standard Version

Based on this information it appears that the the seals, at least the 6th seal, have to do with the destruction of Jerusalem. More specifically, associated with the destruction of Jerusalem during the generation of Jesus’ audience.

 

[Kevin Snow]

Hold up, when he says that the temple would be torn down, every single stone, that is one word. That word had its fulfillment in Nero when he came and tore the whole temple down. Nero is the reason we don't have a temple in Jerusalem right now. This has nothing to do with seals. I assure you that the 6th seal wasn't broken after 60 years since Christ came. If you knew what the first seal was then you would know that the first seal hasn't been broken yet but I can't reveal the identity of the first seal because that takes too long.

Anyway, bear in mind that that word Jesus spoke was fulfilled already and that the passages in Revelation have not been fulfilled. They are speaking of two different events.

 

[gomerian]

Based on this information it appears that the the seals, at least the 6th seal, have to do with the destruction of Jerusalem.

Isn't Jerusalem still waiting for the 10th part of the prophet's beard to happen? Part of me can't see that Jerusalem is yet to be destroyed, but the part of me that studied the prophets every night for a decade, still thinks that much of those prophecies still remain. And if Jerusalem is to be the unwalled city of Revelation... aren't there still walls around Jerusalem? When Jesus lands on the hill, will that wall which the Esau/Pharisees have built across the Palestinian's land still be standing? I'm doubting it very much. Especially since Jerusalem is Babylon, and the merchant kings will burn her with fire.

Revelation is not a linear book. The seals are a table of contents, each seal being a chapter, more or less. And the same thing happens all throughout the book, going from what is to what will be, at any given place in time. All of prophecy is written that way.

 

[gomerian]

Hold up, when he says that the temple would be torn down, every single stone, that is one word. That word had its fulfillment in Nero when he came and tore the whole temple down. Nero is the reason we don't have a temple in Jerusalem right now.

Kinda makes you wonder why people are praying to the Roman fortress wall, though, doesn't it?

But Jesus is the reason Esau doesn't have a temple in Jerusalem.

 

[claninja]

Hold up, when he says that the temple would be torn down, every single stone, that is one word. That word had its fulfillment in Nero when he came and tore the whole temple down. Nero is the reason we don't have a temple in Jerusalem right now. This has nothing to do with seals. I assure you that the 6th seal wasn't broken after 60 years since Christ came. If you knew what the first seal was then you would know that the first seal hasn't been broken yet but I can't reveal the identity of the first seal because that takes too long.

This has nothing to do with seals

I disagree, Jesus told the Daughters of Jerusalem to weep for themselves and for their children
Luke 23:28 turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for YOURSELVES and for YOUR children. For the time will come when YOU will say, ‘Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!
**Then Jesus quotes hosea 10:8
‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” ’b


Why did Jesus tell the women to weep for themselves and for their children, and that they would say blessed are the childless women? What type of event would cause that? Well according to Jesus, Jerusalem's destruction, when Children would be torn down (luke 19:44) and distress would happen to those women with children (luke 21:23).

Now because Jesus adds the quote from Hosea 10:8, we know that the fulfillment of this prophecy is found in the destruction of Jerusalem. Using scripture to interpret scripture, we can see that the 6th seal has to do with the destruction of Jerusalem, because of what Jesus says in the gospels.

Anyway, bear in mind that that word Jesus spoke was fulfilled already and that the passages in Revelation have not been fulfilled. They are speaking of two different events.

Why are they 2 different events? Jesus

 

[Kevin Snow]

I disagree, Jesus told the Daughters of Jerusalem to weep for themselves and for their children
Luke 23:28 turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for YOURSELVES and for YOUR children. For the time will come when YOU will say, ‘Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!
**Then Jesus quotes hosea 10:8
‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” ’b


Why did Jesus tell the women to weep for themselves and for their children, and that they would say blessed are the childless women? What type of event would cause that? Well according to Jesus, Jerusalem's destruction, when Children would be torn down (luke 19:44) and distress would happen to those women with children (luke 21:23).

Now because Jesus adds the quote from Hosea 10:8, we know that the fulfillment of this prophecy is found in the destruction of Jerusalem. Using scripture to interpret scripture, we can see that the 6th seal has to do with the destruction of Jerusalem, because of what Jesus says in the gospels.



Why are they 2 different events? Jesus

Luke 21:41-44 and Luke 23:29-31 are talking about two different events. The first is fulfilled by Nero the other is end times.

 

[keras]

The “Little Apocalypse” of Jesus:

Luke 23:27-31 A great number of people followed Jesus on His way to execution, among them many women who mourned and lamented over Him. Jesus turned to them and said: Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, weep for yourselves and your children. For the days are coming when people will say: Happy are those who don’t have children to worry about. Because then all will call to the mountains “fall on us” and to the hills “hide us”.

For if these things are done when the wood is green, what will happen when the wood is dry? Reference: REB, NIV.


‘weep for yourselves’, For those in Jerusalem at that time, this warned them about the coming conquest and destruction by the Romans. But it is also a dual prophecy, as then; the Christians were told to ‘take to the hills’ and they escaped to Pella, in the Northern Jordan valley. Luke 20:24 In the event to come, the Sixth Seal, the only hope for a Christian in Jerusalem is to 'call upon the Name of the Lord.... Acts 2:21 Some will survive Isaiah 29:1-4

‘For if these things are done when the wood is green, what will happen when the wood is dry?’ A Jewish proverb. An English equivalent: ‘You ain’t seen nuthin yet!’ Green wood doesn’t burn well, dry wood does, so Jesus is saying: you can expect a lot worse carnage and violence to come in a later event.

‘fall on us and hide us’, This is paralleled by Revelation 6:15-17 and Isaiah 2:21, both in passages that vividly describe the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath. As Jesus quoted Isaiah 61:1-2a at the commencement of His ministry, what follows in verse 2b is the Day when He will destroy His enemies: those who attack Israel and all the ungodly peoples. Deuteronomy 32:34-35, Psalms 83, Isaiah 2:12-21, Isaiah 5:25, Isaiah 33:10-12, Isaiah 63:1-6, Isaiah 66:15-16, Ezekiel 20:46-47, Joel 1:15, Psalms 97:3-5, Malachi 4:1, Hebrews 10:27

 

[claninja]

Luke 21:41-44 and Luke 23:29-31 are talking about two different events. The first is fulfilled by Nero the other is end times.

Why should we assume these are about 2 different events? That really makes no sense. There is no context that would allow one to say they are different events.

Logically, it would seem that they are about the same event.

Luke 19:43 ‘ for the days will come’ in regards to Jerusalem’s destruction and children being torn down.

Luke 21:23 women with children will be in great distress from Jerusalem’s destruction

Luke 23:29 ‘ the days are coming’ when women with children will say blessed are the barren and say mountains fall on us.

 

[Kevin Snow]

Why should we assume these are about 2 different events? That really makes no sense. There is no context that would allow one to say they are different events.

Logically, it would seem that they are about the same event.

Luke 19:43 ‘ for the days will come’ in regards to Jerusalem’s destruction and children being torn down.

Luke 21:23 women with children will be in great distress from Jerusalem’s destruction

Luke 23:29 ‘ the days are coming’ when women with children will say blessed are the barren and say mountains fall on us.

Precisely because he quotes an end times prophecy does it mean he refers to the end times. You have to go by the whole counsel of God at once; in one time.

 

[claninja]

Precisely because he quotes an end times prophecy doesn't it mean he refers to the end times.

He quotes the prophecy directly to the weeping women and what they will experience. Saying this is about the future end times and not the women he is speaking too, goes directly against the context.

“Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for YOURSELVES and for YOUR children. 29For the time will come when YOU will say, ‘Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed! Then “ ‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” ’b

You have to go by the whole counsel of God at once; in one time.

I agree.

 

[Douggg]

Is the 6th seal about the destruction of Jerusalem?

No. The 6th seal is at the very end of the 7 years forthcoming.

The cosmos parts. The world sees to the third heaven, and Jesus before the throne of God. Sickle in hand (from Revelation 14).

Matthew 24:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (Revelation 6:12-13)

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven (Revelation 6: 16): and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Jesus prophecied destruction coming on Jerusalem because they did not recognize the timing of his coming. It’s interesting to note Jesus mentions children being torn down.
43 For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side 44 and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
Luke 19:43-44 - Bible Gateway passage: Luke 19:43-44 - English Standard Version
Jesus mentioned, during the olivet discourse, the distress that pregnant and nursing women will have when Jerusalem is seiged:
23 Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people.
Luke 21:23 - Bible Gateway passage: Luke 21:23 - English Standard Version
When Jesus was carrying his cross, he prophesied to the women not to weep for him, but for themselves, because destruction would be coming. He even goes further to say blessed are those who are barren. Jesus quoted Hosea 10:8 in regards to this destruction.
But turning to them Jesus said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ 30 Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’ 31 For if they do these things when the wood is green, what will happen when it is dry?”
Luke 23:28-31 - Bible Gateway passage: Luke 23:28-31 - English Standard Version

All of this seems to be pointing toward the coming destruction that Jews would soon face.

It’s also interesting to note that the 6th seal in revelation mentions Hosea 10:8
calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”
Revelation 6:16-17 - Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 6:16-17 - English Standard Version

Based on this information it appears that the the seals, at least the 6th seal, have to do with the destruction of Jerusalem. More specifically, associated with the destruction of Jerusalem during the generation of Jesus’ audience.

It is describing Jerusalem being destroyed by the abomination that causes desolation.A nuke.

Revelation 6:12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
Revelation 6:13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.
Revelation 6:14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

There is a time stamp in Daniel 12 so that the saints in,Israel would know the exact day this will take place.God gives them a heads up just like he did Noah.
From what I gather,most of the middle east and north Africa gets wiped out.

 

[Kevin Snow]

It is describing Jerusalem being destroyed by the abomination that causes desolation.A nuke.

Revelation 6:12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
Revelation 6:13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.
Revelation 6:14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

There is a time stamp in Daniel 12 so that the saints in,Israel would know the exact day this will take place.God gives them a heads up just like he did Noah.
From what I gather,most of the middle east and north Africa gets wiped out.

It's definitely not a nuke because the sanctuary is restored to its rightful state after 3.5 years AND the temple is not destroyed completely by the antichrist but only the courts get destroyed. Read the scriptures please and put ALL of it together at once. That's the task at hand.

 

[claninja]

No. The 6th seal is at the very end of the 7 years forthcoming.

The cosmos parts. The world sees to the third heaven, and Jesus before the throne of God. Sickle in hand (from Revelation 14).

Matthew 24:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (Revelation 6:12-13)

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven (Revelation 6: 16): and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

So when Jesus tells the women weeping for him, not weep for him, but for themselves and their children because the days are coming when they will say blessed are the barren and the mountains will fall on us, He really isn't talking to or about them? He's talking about women 2000+ years later?

Jesus turned and SAID TO THEM, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for YOURSELVES and for YOUR children. For the time will come when YOU will say, ‘Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ Then“ ‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” ’

 

[shilohsfoal]

It's definitely not a nuke because the sanctuary is restored to its rightful state after 3.5 years AND the temple is not destroyed completely by the antichrist but only the courts get destroyed. Read the scriptures please and put ALL of it together at once. That's the task at hand.

Yes its a nuke.
And the two witnesses ride that cloud straight up into the .sky.

 

[Kevin Snow]

So when Jesus tells the women weeping for him, not weep for him, but for themselves and their children because the days are coming when they will say blessed are the barren and the mountains will fall on us, He really isn't talking to or about them? He's talking about women 2000+ years later?

Jesus turned and SAID TO THEM, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for YOURSELVES and for YOUR children. For the time will come when YOU will say, ‘Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ Then“ ‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” ’

Yes

 

[Kevin Snow]

Yes its a nuke.
And the two witnesses ride that cloud straight up into the .sky.

Is this why you think that you are right, because you have a physical explanation for the scriptures? You can't believe in anything spiritual? You don't believe that any of this has its fulfillment on the earth due to spiritual means? You are child in a man's game if that's the case.

 

[claninja]

It is describing Jerusalem being destroyed by the abomination that causes desolation.A nuke.

Revelation 6:12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
Revelation 6:13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.
Revelation 6:14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

There is a time stamp in Daniel 12 so that the saints in,Israel would know the exact day this will take place.God gives them a heads up just like he did Noah.
From what I gather,most of the middle east and north Africa gets wiped out.

Was babylon destroyed by a nuke as well?

Isaiah 13:1, 10
A prophecy against Babylon that Isaiah son of Amoz saw: The stars of heaven and their constellations
will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Is this why you think that you are right, because you have a physical explanation for the scriptures? You can't believe in anything spiritual? You don't believe that any of this has its fulfillment on the earth due to spiritual means? You are child in a man's game if that's the case.

I even know the man who does it and why.Maybe you will catch up someday.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Was babylon destroyed by a nuke as well?

Isaiah 13:1, 10
A prophecy against Babylon that Isaiah son of Amoz saw: The stars of heaven and their constellations
will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.

Babylon is a spiritual name for Jerusalem just as Sodom,and Egypt are.

Revelation 18:24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of God's holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth."

Tell me this.Can a prophet die outside of Jerusalem?