Is "Star Wars" evil?

[vajradhara]

how could it be evil...


he's got Padme and Dakinins in it!!!!

 

[Blackguard_]

Times change, film making techniques and stlyes change.

..for the worse.

Computer graphics still look cartoony/fake and the old-fashioned physical models and stop-motion of the original trilogy look much more real and not like the "Toontown" sequence from "Who framed Roger Rabbit?" the new movies resemble.

As far as Star Wars being evil, it is true if Star Wars was real the Jedi "knights" should be burned at the stake for practicing sorecery and not made out as heroes. But it is fantasy.

 

[Ampoliros]

..for the worse.

Computer graphics still look cartoony/fake and the old-fashioned physical models and stop-motion of the original trilogy look much more real and not like the "Toontown" sequence from "Who framed Roger Rabbit?" the new movies resemble.

As far as Star Wars being evil, it is true if Star Wars was real the Jedi "knights" should be burned at the stake for practicing sorecery and not made out as heroes. But it is fantasy.

Huhwha? CG seems fake as opposed to....a rubber Yoda puppet? I mean, I'd understand your complaint if we had a little green species of yoda to compare em to, but honestly, id rather take a CG (somethingorother) than a bad looking puppet version. And, in terms of the storytelling, its lots better to have a character that isnt artifically limited by his construction, as a puppet is.

 

[SallyNow]

The only thing that would make Star Wars evil is if Georgy Lucas hired underpaid or underfed or childern workers to work in unsafe working conditions where they do not get adaquate time to eat. (ie, sweatshop labour) And since I doubt Georgy Lucas would do that...

Star Wars is not evil.

 

[Blackguard_]

Huhwha? CG seems fake as opposed to....a rubber Yoda puppet?

Yes. The Yoda in the OT did not look like a cartoon character.

I mean, I'd understand your complaint if we had a little green species of yoda to compare em to, but honestly, id rather take a CG (somethingorother) than a bad looking puppet version.

I still think CG still looks cartoony. Puppets aren't perfect, but they are still better at this time. Maybe someday CG special effects won't make a movie look like Roger Rabbit but today is not that day.

I much prefer puppets to the shiny plasticy cartoon charecter look.

And, in terms of the storytelling, its lots better to have a character that isnt artifically limited by his construction, as a puppet is.

You mean Yoda's horribly out of charecter "why is a decrepit old man bouncing around like a superball?" routine from ep2? Anyways, puppets are capable of a lot. Go watch Labyrinth or any Muppet movie. Yoda as a puppet could still have done that scene, albiet not as easily.

Maybe the difficulty of having a puppet superball-Yoda would have made them think twice and realize it is very un-yodalike it is instaed of going "thanks to CG, we can easily have Yoda show off some fancy super-Jedimaster moves. It'll be so rad!"


And what about vehicles? The models and stop-motion of the OT are much more convincing than the CG vehicles and ships of the NT.The stop-motion AT-ATs on Hoth are very convincing. How about the opening shot of episode 4, would that have been beter as CG?

And the clone troopers would have been much better as extras in costume like the stormtroopers.

About the only thing CG is any good for is the droid army, as the shiny CG look works with them, and it would have been hard to stop-motion or anomtize them all and they have the wrong proprortions to be played by humans like R2 and c3po in the OT.

 

[Eudaimonist]

I saw Ep III for the first time today, and the verdict is...

NOT EVIL!

Apology accepted, Mr Lucas.

 

[Gaston]

WARNING ***SPOILER***

There's some imagery in Star Wars that might be evil, but it's just for story sakes. Like in this new one (I've seen it twice now), you see Anakin from far above and he walks across the floor of the senate or some place (can't really remember) and the way the path is outlined ends up being shot by the camera as an upside down cross. It's probably not intentional, but it could be considering the context - Anakin is leading the extermination of the Jedi, he's basically turned to the darkside and the subtle or subliminal imagery that you see (or, actually on the contrary, don't) adds to the mood of that particular scene.

There's tonnes of Greek, Roman, Pagan mythology. Nietzsche's ubermensch (supermen) are obviously played out, especially in the previews before the show, there was, let's see, Batman, The Fantastic 4 (both look pretty sweet btw), The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (AMAZING) Mr. and Mrs. Smith (thumbs down, 'cept Angelina is dang hot) and some others I can't remember now. While they're all geared towards "the comic crowd" they are obviously parroting similar attitudes to that of Star Wars and those are what I mentioned, especially the archetypes.

So, if you have a battle between good and evil and that's your plot (90% of action or science fiction movies probably have it) it's not a surprise that you're going to have some type of negative imagery. I say go and watch all 6 Star Wars movies and see what your conclusion is.

IMO, Anakin is redeemed in the end, it's a massively long tale of redemption, that's what it is, and so that qualifies it as not evil.

As for the "new age" elements, yes there are some, but what exactly is "new age?" We've been hearing this stuff about science fiction for years coming from the right wing religious types, it's not a surprise this time around or anything, but if you think the movies are bad here's a deal - don't watch them. Fair enough?



My 2.


Gaston

 

[Illuminatus]

I think I'm going to crop out that last one and stick it in my sig.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

Star Wars was based on old mythology and legends because they are good stories. He wanted a modern myth, and a tale of good and evil, fall and redemtion. Its never meant to be taken seriously and nothing in it leads you away from God. The themes are admirable, and in general I see it as an amzing story with realistic themes of good vs evil.

 

[Lokisdottir]

As far as Star Wars being evil, it is true if Star Wars was real the Jedi "knights" should be burned at the stake for practicing sorecery and not made out as heroes.

Hooba-jooba-wha?!

 

[Blackguard_]

Hooba-jooba-wha?!

Do Jedi use the power of Christ/God/Holy Spirit to have unnaturally good reflexes and throw about objects, or a mysterious occultic force? Seriously, if Star Wars was real the Jedi would be evil becasue using the Force is sorcery.

 

[Ninja Turtles]

Do Jedi use the power of Christ/God/Holy Spirit to have unnaturally good reflexes and throw about objects, or a mysterious occultic force? Seriously, if Star Wars was real the Jedi would be evil becasue using the Force is sorcery.

What makes the power to move things with one's mind unnatural? What makes better reflexes unnatural? That makes no sense.

 

[Imblessed]

I was surfing on Fark.com and came across an interesting web site in a picture which says that "Star Wars" is basically the work of Satan.

Satan's Tool

What do you think? Just curious.

from the site.....
Need more evidence? Accept JESUS as your Star Guide by seeing the Morality Players perform the works of JACK CHICK on August 19-21 2005 – The only entertainment in Hollywood that saves your eternal soul –Guaranteed!

Although those pictures and the t-shirts available had me rolling on the floor........

BTW--the site is a joke......the t-shirts had www.ooze.com on them so I went to that site, most definately not a christian site.......

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

I do not think star wars is evil... On the contrary, I think star wars has greatly help my views and strength in my christian values and relationship with God.

I used to be exactly like anakin when I was a new convert. Thanks to star wars, i was able to get a good understand of how I acted and why it was wrong.

 

[reformedfan]

Although those pictures and the t-shirts available had me rolling on the floor........

BTW--the site is a joke......the t-shirts had www.ooze.com on them so I went to that site, most definately not a christian site.......

now ya see that?? What a wonderful post.

Why do the heathens say Christians believe everything & have no sense o' humor, eh?

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Do Jedi use the power of Christ/God/Holy Spirit to have unnaturally good reflexes and throw about objects, or a mysterious occultic force? Seriously, if Star Wars was real the Jedi would be evil becasue using the Force is sorcery.

If we look at AotC, episode II, there's the scene where Liam Neesom's character (can't remember the name) says that Anakins level of those little creatures (sorry, can't remember that either--I guess I'm not geeky enough. Yet, here I sit responding to people on a rather pointless online discussion (which I started)--but I digress.) in his blood is exceptionally high. Therefore, the Jedi's powers were genetic in nature.

Thus, if we accept the proposition that God created the known universe, and that Star Wars is part of said known universe, then the Jedi are using powers that God gave them. Of course Darth Vader is using the same force, but chooses to use it for evil. MMM....? Strange theological conundrum. Darn that free will.

 

[die2live]

The people on the census were taking the Mick.



As are the people on that website link.



But seriously though. Darth Sidius and Count Dooku are definitely evil.

But Luke and Yoda are good

Yoda's an overly pessimistic, not to mention arrogant, jerk (In my opinion).

 

[Blackguard_]

Therefore, the Jedi's powers were genetic in nature.

Therefore even worse than sorcery in the eyes of PC types; racism. The Jedi are genetically superior Ubermensch.

Anyways, I hate the mitichloridin or whatever explanation of the force. I preffered the mystical force of the OT. I like to interpret mitichrolorians as just more of Obiwan's BS like him telling Luke Vader murdered Anakin. Remember in Ep 4 he offered to teach Han Solo the ways of the force as if anyone could do it. And also Grand Moff Tarkin berating Vader for his "sad devotion to that ancient religion." Too bad Lucas can't keep his story strait.

Thus, if we accept the proposition that God created the known universe, and that Star Wars is part of said known universe, then the Jedi are using powers that God gave them. Of course Darth Vader is using the same force, but chooses to use it for evil. MMM....? Strange theological conundrum. Darn that free will.

1. There is no free will.
2. I supose you are right if the "Force" is actually a genetic trait and so is morally neautral in and of itself the way strength or hand-eye coordination is but can be used for good or evil. But then how is there a "Dark" and a "Light" side to this force? Too bad Lucas didn't keep the Force as a mystical thing.

What makes the power to move things with one's mind unnatural?

Becasue humans can't move things with their minds on their own.

What makes better reflexes unnatural? That makes no sense.

Not merely "better", but "beyond human ability", like that girl rotating her head 360 degrees in "The Exorcist"

 

[Ninja Turtles]

Therefore even worse than sorcery in the eyes of PC types; racism. The Jedi are genetically superior Ubermensch.

Racism is an institutionalization of prejudice. Being selfless people, they are by definition not racist as they work for the common good of all aliens. And you kind of missed the ball considering that Jedi are not only human.

I suppose you are right if the "Force" is actually a genetic trait and so is morally neautral in and of itself the way strength or hand-eye coordination is but can be used for good or evil. But then how is there a "Dark" and a "Light" side to this force? Too bad Lucas didn't keep the Force as a mystical thing.

It's a natural part of the body, and you can manipulate in different ways. Obviously the psychology and attitude of the person plays into the results of that manipulation. Much like depression changes the nature of your physiology, a person that gives into their anger, hatred, and selfishness is able to manifest things like lightning. But yes, the midi-chlorians did reduce the force to a mere genetic condition.

Becasue humans can't move things with their minds on their own.

Not merely "better", but "beyond human ability", like that girl rotating her head 360 degrees in "The Exorcist"

Who said that, just because a few people can doesn't mean that it's unnatural, they are just gifted with an anomaly. It's like telling somebody they can't be faster than a certain speed, and if they are, that means that it is unnatural, thus they are practicing sorcery or whatever you attribute to them to make them seem evil.

By virtue of something occuring means that it is natural. Much like nuclear waste, plastics, computers, wireless technology, all are unnatural in the respect that it can't grow on trees but their creation comes from humans, hence they are natural. Likewise, any phenomenom exhibited by humans makes it natural.

 

[Aimee30]

The web site looks like nonsense to me. The end times upon us with the 7th. sequel? The boxershorts/shorts with the picture of Jesus that is for sale that says "Is that Jesus in your pants or are you just happy to see me?" Please, I think the owner of the page needs some "Get real" time.
No, Star Wars is fiction--not evil. Fiction isn't meant to be real. Besides that, the force has a good and bad side--kind of like God and Satan. I guess they chalk up the force to kind of yin/yang thinking.