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Is SOLO Scriptura Scriptural?

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Rick Otto

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quote=JacktheCatholic;For the RCC and EOC and OOC I think they are unanimous in a Teaching that is more than Scripture Alone, which is based on Apostolic Tradition to include Scripture.
They are unanimous in believing Tradition is equal in authority to scripture, by way of reliably interpreting scripture. And they are equaly dysfunctiopnal in trying to force that to into being true.

Even Martin Luther used Tradition and not just Scripture even though Sola Scriptura originated there.
Sola Scriptura is not about "what you use", it is about what you use to judge the accuracy of what you use. It is something one can "search daily" to see if what oral tradition offers "is so".

As to Anglican or what started out as the Church of England, they still use tradition as well. As to many Sola Scriptura type Protestant churches I am finding that many are studying the writings from the ECFs as well to better understand and so it seems they are becomeing less Sola Scriptura.
And less reformed, and more Roman, rather than more apostolic
 
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For the RCC and EOC and OOC I think they are unanimous in a Teaching that is more than Scripture Alone, which is based on Apostolic Tradition to include Scripture. Even Martin Luther used Tradition and not just Scripture even though Sola Scriptura originated there. As to Anglican or what started out as the Church of England, they still use tradition as well. As to many Sola Scriptura type Protestant churches I am finding that many are studying the writings from the ECFs as well to better understand and so it seems they are becomeing less Sola Scriptura.

BUT...

SOLO Scriptura, I am at a loss. I know you explained the difference once before with Sola and Solo but the explanation eludes me.

Anyhow... logic to a RCC and EOC and OOC can be different than a logi of a SS. * I suppose
I suppose so.
I was on this other thread and a member mentioned "assimilated".
Tho that word can also mean "absorbed" :confused:
Tis an interesting thread ehehe.......

http://www.christianforums.com/t7486582/#post55364986
Religions.

*snip*

(i.e., objection to your usage of "assimilated." That's not how Christianity works)
 
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I suppose so.
I was on this other thread and a member mentioned "assimilated".
Tho that word can also mean "absorbed" :confused:
Tis an interesting thread ehehe.......

http://www.christianforums.com/t7486582/#post55364986
Religions.

*snip*

(i.e., objection to your usage of "assimilated." That's not how Christianity works)


I usually stay out of debates with an atheist. With different Christian denominations at least we share a belief in God and Jesus as God. But it seems more and more people are becoming atheists. To me at least.
 
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Rick,

I am not sure how to respond to your post???

It may be that you wanted to share you thoughts and nothing more. I would inly say that I have not been forced to do anything as a Catholic but I aknowledge not everyone chooses the same segment of Christianity.



Shalom,

Jack
 
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Scholars have shown that the OT was oral tradition for many centuries before it was written.

Also, why have scripture since I keep hearing from those in disagreemtn that God speaks to them directly.

How many times do I see scripture ignored when it says to keep what was given both orally and written. And to hear answers as to correct interpretation based on divine revelation or some other while denying a oral tradition.

The real question is why believe in Sola Scritura when Sola Scriptura denies itself?

In Luke Jesus says "Whoever listens to you listens to me" and not whomever reads your writings listens to me.

Yes as here, they searched the writings to back up the declaration

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.


This is because it is oral tradition that Jesus gave to the church and it is primarily oral traditon that His church has used. The written is just in support of the oral and that is why scripture is sued in reproof, it is used to confirm the oral tradition.

Jesus ordained hearing the gospel by Peters mouth (orally) I wouldnt think speaking orally is wrong

Acts 15:7... Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

And yet here he delivers in written form what he also received

1Cr 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And yet Paul wasnt taught it nor recieved the gospel he taught by man, yet what he received and delivered he makes his appeal to the scriptures.

Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen


Speaking orally is traditionally what they did

Exdodus 4:12 Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.

Even Jesus said...

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

We also know that scripture says that we are to keep what the Apostles and leaders taught whether by word or written

The tradition of the elders was orally delivered as well wasnt it? Jesus just trumped Gods words as written (which were also searched out by the bereans) to see if they were so over the tradition of the elders (even then) that made Gods words of none effect by their own tradition (in practice) is all.

To say this is the Word of God and then say we cannot keep the oral Word of God is to place limits on God.

And orally even as it is written as well he said...

Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

And what was shared here in the same accord they did this

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Which bears Paul a witness again here...

Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Even as Phillip did by mouth

Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

And as He encourages the same here...

2Titus 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Even here...

Acts 18:28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

The ministry and the perfecting of the saints correlates through the same in their word as it does through their admonishment after the same

2Titus 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

So why do people believe in Sola Scriptura when scripture and Jesus speak of teachings that are oral?

Jesus even said, he that loveth me not will not keep my sayings, if they keep mine they will keep yours

Ecc 12:1 The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.

The scriptures were given by the inspiration of God, what is written are the words of truth which testify are witnesses of the truth (Jesus Christ). His Son revealed in His apostles (sent witnesses) so they could preach Him (who is the truth) without whom they could do nothing, heard by those who would hear the truth and walked out (in practice) in the Spirit of truth within them.
 
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They are unanimous in believing Tradition is equal in authority to scripture, by way of reliably interpreting scripture. And they are equaly dysfunctiopnal in trying to force that to into being true.
Great irony in spelling dysfunctional as you did

However if you can offer something by way of evidence for sola scriptura that would be great
 
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Yes as here, they searched the writings to back up the declaration

You've gone to great trouble to bold some words, highlight others by different colours, and underlining others.

Unfortunately you've spent no time addressing any points made.

No one denies that scripture isn't inspired.

There's a difference between saying

"Scripture is inspired by God" and "ONLY scripture contains God's inspired word"

Once you get around to spending more time looking at problems then making pretty posts that would be helpful.
 
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Christ Directs us through His written word. For the scriptures are alive and active in a believers life because it is the HS which agrees with what He has breathed. The scriptures although written is Gods word to us..His heart to our heart.

Several people argue that God's word is inspired. No one denies that.

What you need to show is that this word says that only the written word is God's inspired word

You've not done that. I'm not sure what the problem is as you are not alone in offering 'evidence' for a point not contested.
 
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The only thing we know what God Himself wrote was in stone, & Jesus said "It is written" more than He said, "It is said".
Selective observations only support selected conclusions.
It sounds like wanting to put your trust in something unreliable based on the reliability of your own unreliability.

It's likle cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Very good point!

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You've gone to great trouble to bold some words, highlight others by different colours, and underlining others.

Its no trouble at all, I have always done it whether it was in a book or online, I like them :thumbsup:

Unfortunately you've spent no time addressing any points made.

No one denies that scripture isn't inspired.

There's a difference between saying

"Scripture is inspired by God" and "ONLY scripture contains God's inspired word"

The universe the visible and invisibe was spoken into existence by Him (but that which he had spoken into existence is also noted and written for us in the scripture).

I dont feel the serpents words are Gods words (even as contained in scripture) but are included in scripture as an example of how a liar (from beginning to end) would manipulate, twist, and speak against the words of God.

Same with Jobs freinds, God says they didnt speak what was right of God as his servant Job did, and yet they are included in scripture along with the sayings of the Jews and those who bore false witness as well as the words of false prophets. So the scriptures contain the errors of men set forth as examples for us to learn by.

Once you get around to spending more time looking at problems then making pretty posts that would be helpful.

I study by examining and highlighting words for my own benefit because they help me. You post without using colors but I dont find any of your posts helpful as it pertains to the cause of Christ.

There are some folks I dont believe posting in plain black and white could help, thats just my "uninspired opinion" (ofcourse) I wouldnt live by it or anything;)

Now I go back to putting you on ignore once again :thumbsup:
 
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You've gone to great trouble to bold some words, highlight others by different colours, and underlining others.

Unfortunately you've spent no time addressing any points made.

No one denies that scripture isn't inspired.

There's a difference between saying

"Scripture is inspired by God" and "ONLY scripture contains God's inspired word"

Once you get around to spending more time looking at problems then making pretty posts that would be helpful.
At the risk of being reported I agree and Amen your statement. This is not meant to goad or flame anyone especially the colorful poster.

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quote=Montalban; Great irony in spelling dysfunctional as you did

Thanks. You don't miss a trick.

However if you can offer something by way of evidence for sola scriptura that would be great
I know, you love it every time I do. I've learned to count on it. You're reliable that way.

It would be great if you would own it.
 
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quote=Montalban; You've gone to great trouble to bold some words, highlight others by different colours, and underlining others. Unfortunately you've spent no time addressing any points made.
Points were made? I only saw errors being made.
Those were addressed.
No one denies that scripture isn't inspired.
That's probably why it ain't the topic.
There's a difference between saying"Scripture is inspired by God" and "ONLY scripture contains God's inspired word"
Are you quoting or paraphrasing someone? I never EVER asserted scripture was the "ONLY" source of God's word. Sola Scriptura ONLY asserts that scripture is the standard by which to judge the content of all other sources.


Once you get around to spending more time looking at problems then making pretty posts that would be helpful.
Awwww,... now ya made me cry.
 
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Scholars have shown that the OT was oral tradition for many centuries before it was written.

Christ died in approx. 33 ad. The first gospel was written in late 40's or early 50's. Not exactly centuries. John wrote the last of his writings between 85 to 95ad.

Maybe you meant decades. :idea:




The real question is why believe in Sola Scritura when Sola Scriptura denies itself?
How?

In Luke Jesus says "Whoever listens to you listens to me" and not whomever reads your writings listens to me. This is because it is oral tradition that Jesus gave to the church and it is primarily oral traditon that His church has used. The written is just in support of the oral and that is why scripture is sued in reproof, it is used to confirm the oral tradition.

We also know that scripture says that we are to keep what the Apostles and leaders taught whether by word or written. To say this is the Word of God and then say we cannot keep the oral Word of God is to place limits on God.
It was the oral traditions that eventually caused the Jews to deny Jesus as the Messiah. It was the oral traditions that Jesus spoke so negative about.

So why do people believe in Sola Scriptura when scripture and Jesus speak of teachings that are oral?
Where? You are not really going to use the usual ones are you? ;)

BTW- I think is much better to "get it in writing". lol
 
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Christ died in approx. 33 ad. The first gospel was written in late 40's or early 50's. Not exactly centuries. John wrote the last of his writings between 85 to 95ad.
The Bible itself wasn't compiled till centuries later.

It wasn't self-compiling, nor self-authorising
 
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The Bible itself wasn't compiled till centuries later.

It wasn't self-compiling, nor self-authorising

I already been down that road. Read my post 412. Maybe you will reply to it this time.
 
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The Bible itself wasn't compiled till centuries later.

It wasn't self-compiling, nor self-authorising
Question. Was it the EO or RCC that compiled it? :confused:
 
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