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Foregoing being a member of the One True Church because of a language barrier?
Hello lismore. But Christians will agree that the Scriptures should not be contradicted whether they hold to Sola Scriptura or not. That question has nothing to do with Sola Scriptura.Hello Zippy. I hope you're well. IMHO almost every church/denomination/believer would be reluctant to openly and quickly propagate a doctrine that directly contradicts the scriptures. In this sense I would say that almost every church clearly recognizes Sola Scriptura to an extent. It's more than a doctrine it's like an obvious, unassailable safeguard. Whenever a church leader quickly and openly produces a doctrine that directly contradicts scripture almost every church would see them as a crank.
Some denominations through long tradition and perhaps losing access to the scriptures find themselves step by step by step to be in a doctrinal position seemingly directly opposed to the scriptures on numerous counts, as perhaps the Israelites of old found themselves in before the scroll was found in Josiah's day. The choice then is to repent or to continue to obfuscate. But even those who continue to obfuscate will treat the scriptures seemingly as something they are reluctant to be seen to directly contradict.
God Bless
Hello Zippy. If a church believes that the scriptures shouldn't be openly contradicted, basically saying everything new they present must align carefully with scripture, I don't believe that's too many degrees removed from Sola Scriptura. Indeed if the new material aligns with scripture some would say why not just use scripture.
You seem to think that a doctrine must either contradict Scripture or else already be present within Scripture. You seem to have forgotten about the third case where a doctrine neither contradicts Scripture nor is present within Scripture. The question of Sola Scriptura is concerned with precisely this third category, and not with the first or second categories.
Thank you. The PB's are in serious decline for a number of reasons. As you noted, they are cessationist in theology. Although you were unable to find an explanation, they do have a defence of their position. One of the primary recent foundational documents is The Believer's Bible Commentary by William MacDonald in which he addresses a relatively full gamut of biblical issues. The PB's in Britain originated long before pentecostalism came onto the scene in the United States. Thus, it has never been much of an issue within PB circles.
Henry Ford said that history is bunk. History is only the opinion of the dominant culture. Church history has been written either by RCC or Protestant cessationist historians who have written their versions of history according to their own theologies. Ever since the church moved from being motivated by the Holy Spirit to man directed ritual and ceremony, it has been like that ever since, so unless it changes dramatically I am not optimistic about its future. In that regard, the youth has nothing significant learn from elders who are stuck in ritual and ceremony, doing their own planning, and closed off to the guidance of the Holy Spirit. So, in the light of that, we have only the Bible to give us reliable guidance on how to be genuinely converted to Christ and to live a life pleasing to God.
Thank you for your explanation, but you do realize that position is unscriptural?
I don’t necessarily agree with Pentecostalism, even the Catholic charismatic movement, but there is biblical support for the baptism in the Holy Spirit after the baptism with water. In the Catholic Church it is celebrated as the sacrament of Confirmation.
You have given evidence of Sola Scriptura by quoting the Bible as the basis of your argument. You have used the authority of the Bible to put your point.
I have used the Bible because you said it was the only thing you would accept. I wanted to show you that even the Bible which you claim to adhere, does not give your explanation of history.
I have nothing more to offer. I don't want to offend our RCC brethren by arguing against RC theology or tradition which they hold dearly.
Um, there is no offense when this is the place to discuss it. It is why we are here in denomination specific theology. Catholics love the truth, we don’t hold to our tradition and faith because we want our feelings soothed. We follow because it is the faith which was once delivered to the saints.
Most, if not all, sacramental denominations would agree with the idea that the Holy Spirit is part and parcel of the new birth which Jesus described in John 3 to Nicodemus and they further associate the Holy Spirit with Baptism, such that at the moment of baptism in water, one is also baptized in the Holy Spirit. They do not teach that the Holy Spirit only comes to a Christian at their confirmation.
This is the explanation from the Catechism with appropriate Biblical references included
This thread has wandered way off track.
The Church does not teach that all sexual activity has to be motivated to become pregnant, ugh
The Church does not teach that all sexual activity has to be motivated to become pregnant, ugh
without the sexual act being open to life, it almost always leads to sex becoming a selfish act. Removing the pro-creative element of sex reduces it to a pleasure only act. And once you do that, the gender of both participants become irrelevant.
If sexual activity is rightly ordered, non-believers would look upon Christians with admiration as they see how complete and fulfilling marriage can be. It is YOUR incorrect definition you used above that causes confusion with non-believers.
Yes they do but we are called to chastity. That does not mean that we never have sex. Sexual activity must be brought under the bounds of the will and reason. Rule your appetites or you will be ruled by them. One thing people are forgetting is that a woman gets pregnant once. They could have unlimited sex until the child is born. Not every act must be procreative, but artificial contraception serves no purpose but to facilitate sin. Just look around at the divorce, casual sex and abortion, and you can see the fruits.
