FredVB
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FredVB said:I am going to have to tell you to stop with 370 or 375 posts deep stuff, and you telling me something 20 times. I am not someone you have been in dialogue with through the whole thread. I checked and I see I have only posted in the thread ten times before this time, starting with this year. And you certainly do not represent me properly. The way of arguing with putting down others is not suitable for believers who should be godly, either. I respond to your latest posts, not the start of the thread now.
I was not a believer when little, and do not envision that little ones generally are, or that conflict is normal. Authorities change for us. We do not wind up with the same authority highest for us that we started with. That should not be a difficult concept.
And I can share the gospel and trust in the Bible with unbelievers, but those are not all agnostics.
JAL said:Whether the 20 implorations were accross 20 posts or 10 is immaterial.
I can't represent someone with consistency if he himself is not consistent. I've already charged you with (still) unresolved contradictions.
I don't much engage in ad hominem. But when an adduced "rebuttal" repeatedly sidesteps the force of my arguments, I will call you out on it. That's not going to change.
It is relevant. If I ever answered with ad hominem verbal attack, or disparage, I will not be justified ... no matter what. You were just charging a great deal more than what there could possibly have been. And for what? You have said it is argument about sola scriptura, but you actually argue against authority of the Bible. And as I write in response what I believe, I am not contradicting myself, unless there is cognitive dissonance, or I am crazy. But I explain myself, and you do not show proven contradiction.
When you were little, there was no moral culpability, no accountability to God. Sola Scriptura is understood to apply to all of us old enough for accountability. Your claim, in consistency with Sola-Scriptura, is that the Bible is the final authority for us all. I've merely pointed out the contradictions inherent within that stance.
Dancing, sidestepping, rambling - you name it. Here AGAIN, you've circumlocuted the challenge to clearly explain:
(1) On what basis/authority should the agnostic repent, i.e., accept the Bible?
(2) On what basis/authority do YOU accept the Bible?
As predicted. I promised you'd continue to dodge this question (as you did the first 20 times), and here you go again. The only real question remaining is, how much longer I can afford to continue in these repetitious exchanges.
Not at all twenty times... The agnostic should repent of denial of God... Because God is really present. This can be known, without the Bible. I know it, without the Bible. So it is not wrong to say that should be addressed. With acknowledging God the basis for believing the Bible can be discussed, which is still dismissed while God's presence is denied. My faith is in the Bible being the word of God, and the word of God, being from God, is the highest authority, this is the case whether it yet known or not. Individual people do not already know it from the start. Those of us who are guided to it learn that it is. And there are bases, though the bases are not higher authority because of that, they are only guides. There is basis to see God provides for us, with design from divine intelligence for that, and that we have an internal desire to find how to communicate with God. It is rational to see God could provide a revelation that is communication from God to us. Various writings exist and are available with claim to that. The scriptures of the Bible are unique, to uniquely qualify for that, in many ways, more than I will say here. But a good distinction I certainly want to mention is the manuscript evidence, many times greater than anything ever. No other writing from antiquity has any manuscripts within centuries of the originals, and the new testament of the Bible has many many manuscripts for it still existing, even while hostile forces were trying to destroy them all early on. The Bible speaks to us, as believers, clearly convicting us of the truth, speaking to our conscience, and guiding us to changed lives if we really look to it faithfully, with that, we grow in godliness, being helpful to others and not belittling others. And the Bible repeatedly shows itself right in historical matters where it was contested. Jesus, in who we believe, spoke for faith in the scriptures.
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