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Is Sola Fide an essential of the Gospel?
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glad you were blessed by it Terri!!!! John Piper is one of my fav pastor/theologians... he has been kind enough to offer an awesome book of his online, one that still sells in Christian bookstores for around 14 bucks.... its called "Desiring God", and is available at http://www.desiringgod.org/dg/id1.htm
I think you will be blessed by it.....
Blessings!
I think you will be blessed by it.....
Blessings!
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The book of James is all about this. 2:19 describes intellectual "faith," and the context demonstrates how worthless that type of faith is (verses 16, 17 and 20). The way to know if you have saving faith is partly by the works you produce (2:21).Metanoia02 said:
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Can a person have a personal relationship with Christ and have no works?Terri said:Just wanted to make it clear that faith and works can be and are separate.
And this separating can easily be done by those that stress a personal relationship with Christ--even those that are Evangelical!!
Can a person have a personal relationship with Christ and have no faith?
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James tried very hard in writing to the Jesus believing Jews that were scattered, to describe a mature Christian lifestyle. The key is, James not writing to non, Jesus believing Jews at all. He wasn't trying to describe faith or salvation, He was trying to describe how a mature Christian lives. James did not set a standard for judging salvation. Faith without works is wasted is what He meant. James used the word "dead" at least three times, He used it to describe what happens to a believer if He grumbles. Surely we don't think God removes His promise of salvation for grumbling. Look it up! James is about maturity in Christ.
Faith alone is the gospel. But that doesn't remove the responsibility to the believer to have works.
Faith alone is the gospel. But that doesn't remove the responsibility to the believer to have works.
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I think that we are saved by grace through faith.
However we are saved unto good works.
I see James making it clear that if you have a saving faith you will have works. The works do not save you but you will have them unless it is just impossible. James was contrasting the saving faith which naturally causes good works to one that does not and is not saving faith.
But again we are saved through faith alone. The works we do are a result of our saving faith not a prerequisite for salvation. And again to have faith but not works is the same as saying you do not have faith at all.
However we are saved unto good works.
I see James making it clear that if you have a saving faith you will have works. The works do not save you but you will have them unless it is just impossible. James was contrasting the saving faith which naturally causes good works to one that does not and is not saving faith.
But again we are saved through faith alone. The works we do are a result of our saving faith not a prerequisite for salvation. And again to have faith but not works is the same as saying you do not have faith at all.
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I agree, stating that we are saved by grace through faith gives the proper credit to the cross of Jesus. But it can also trip people that are trying desperately to find a method of paying some of the cost for salvation. "If I could just claim faith then I'm 50/50 with God on my salvation" Since Grace is Gods nature in salvation we can't claim it, Jesus did die on that cross after all. But then we come to faith, which is a gift from God to bring life to the spiritually dead, so that's out too.
So, what is left? We must respond. But how?
When God awakens the spiritually dead they are ready to receive a word. That word can come from Amway, the JW or a Baptist missionary. The bible does tell us that the Truth will set them free, and it will, but only the spiritually awake can hear it.
I know of one that went through crystals, New age, JW and finally Jesus. He was middle age when He discovered a spiritual realm and every word He heard He was drawn too.
That is why we have to "go" and make disciples. That is why He said the harvest is plenty but the workers are few.
By the time you get to them you have to tell them about Jesus and also tell em why planets are not gods and humming is not a method of getting in tune with your inner self. Because we will not "go" the world is responding to false words.
There is no conflict between faith alone and works. Faith alone is the very reason to "go" and preach. God is bringing life to a lost world, we are to bring His word.
So, what is left? We must respond. But how?
When God awakens the spiritually dead they are ready to receive a word. That word can come from Amway, the JW or a Baptist missionary. The bible does tell us that the Truth will set them free, and it will, but only the spiritually awake can hear it.
I know of one that went through crystals, New age, JW and finally Jesus. He was middle age when He discovered a spiritual realm and every word He heard He was drawn too.
That is why we have to "go" and make disciples. That is why He said the harvest is plenty but the workers are few.
By the time you get to them you have to tell them about Jesus and also tell em why planets are not gods and humming is not a method of getting in tune with your inner self. Because we will not "go" the world is responding to false words.
There is no conflict between faith alone and works. Faith alone is the very reason to "go" and preach. God is bringing life to a lost world, we are to bring His word.
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Dominus Fidelis
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You all might like to check out the debate between Matt and myself on this important issue.
Round 1 has commenced, and I am awaiting Matt's round 2 comments...
http://www.christianforums.com/t64116
God Bless
Round 1 has commenced, and I am awaiting Matt's round 2 comments...
http://www.christianforums.com/t64116
God Bless
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For anyone interested, I've posted my round one rebuttal (round 2).Defens0rFidei said:
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Peace be with you.
Justified by faith alone.
Salvation based on faith and works.
God Bless,
P12
Justified by faith alone.
Salvation based on faith and works.
God Bless,
P12
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Dominus Fidelis
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Gamecock said:
Then I guess you cant go by Bible Alone, huh?
(More gentle ribbing...)
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Absolutely! Sola Fide is indispensable to the Gospel, the sine qua non. It's rather disturbing to see almost 35% of respondents saying No, but I guess it's to be hoped those come from Catholics.
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I should've restricted the votes to Evangelical Protestants. That's really what I was curious about.Higgaion said:
Perhaps I'll make a new vote later, with open results to keep non-Protestants from voting.
~Matt
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I'll just present my views, hopefuly they'll comply to yours.
You are save thru faith alone, for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified, but when you come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ your life will show the fruits of you faith thru works, faith without works is dead (James 2:17), salvation comes first, then works will come automatically, you cannot rely on works to justify your salvation, salvation is a free gift from God (Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. )
You are save thru faith alone, for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified, but when you come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ your life will show the fruits of you faith thru works, faith without works is dead (James 2:17), salvation comes first, then works will come automatically, you cannot rely on works to justify your salvation, salvation is a free gift from God (Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. )
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