Is Sodomy whether by rape or consentual a Sin?

[lilymarie]

As the question asks... is sodomy whether by rape or consentual a sin?

Please simply vote "yes" or "no".

If you are unsure, then please chose the option of not to vote at all in this poll.

Thank you.

Also, the poll will run for five days if you'd like to pray before voting.

p.s. Sorry about the mispelling. The word is spelled: consensual -- which means agreement to do so.

 

[fevoldj2]

What has inhospitality to do with rape?

 

[lilymarie]

What has inhospitality to do with rape?

By your definition then, hospitality has to do only with NOT raping people? That's a pretty skewed view of hospitality.

Anyhow, this is a vote on sodomy, not what hospitality is or isn't.

If you'd like to start a thread on what hospitality is or isn't, you are free to do so.

Please stay on topic regarding the act of sodomy.

If you are unsure of the defintion of sodomy, please check a dictionary.

 

[Joykins]

It's the context that makes something a sin. It's always a sin to rape someone. It's not a sin to do these things inside marriage.

 

[lilymarie]

I agree that the vote has to be for your own self and your own relationship.

My fiance' and I had a talk about it yesterday and we both agree it is a sin for us. We both do not want it in our marriage. We both think it's icky and not God's ideal for us.

 

[onmybelief]

It's the context that makes something a sin. It's always a sin to rape someone. It's not a sin to do these things inside marriage.

How true. You took the words right out of my mouth.

If sodomy occurs duing a rape then it is a sin (ape is always a sin). But not if it is inside a marriage and is consentual.

 

[5stringJeff]

If someone is raped then they have not sinned, so a rape in which sodomy occurs would be a sin for the rapist only.

 

[lilymarie]

Yes, of course. I'm sorry I wrote this poll too early in the morning during a bit of a rush to get ready.

Sorry the poll is not worded properly.

However, what I was trying to say is some say that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was only inhospitality and that inhospitality was male rape in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

And therefore, Sodomy in and of itself is not sinful; some say Sodomy is only sinful if it's rape, otherwise homosexual sodomy or heterosexual sodomy are not a sin.

As a heterosexual, I think sodomy is a sin for my heterosexual marriage to be, as does my fiance'. His viewpoint is it is not natural nor good.

This is also what I feel inside me, in my heart. That's it's not a correct behavior. I don't know what or how else to feel about the act of sodomy at this time?

I feel it is a sin.

 

[UBERROGO]

one way is bad and one way is not a sin. this is a trick question.

 

[artybloke]

The sin of Sodom was inhospitallity (which in a desert country was a serious crime) and gang-rape. So yeah, I'd say it was wrong; but then it it implies lack of consent, does it not?

This is also what I feel inside me, in my heart.

Your feeling of ickiness is not an ethical feeling. If you don't like it, don't do it; but don't go around telling other people what they can or can't do.

 

[lilymarie]

Well, even if I just worded it as "Is Sodomy a sin"... it would still be ambiguous because people would say not inside their own marriage, so even that poll could be both yes and no for some people.

So, how would you like this poll to be worded?

I can have them shut this one done and re-word it?

Any suggestions on "wording"?

Does "Are All Types of Sodomy a Sin" sound better?

 

[Tpolg]

How about, “Is sodomizing someone always a sin?” that way it keeps the focus on the active party, and creates less confusion.

 

[lilymarie]

How about, “Is sodomizing someone always a sin?” that way it keeps the focus on the active party, and creates less confusion.

Well, there isn't always necessarily only an active party, as I am studying some ancient words and when the NT states that no "effeminate" may enter the kingdom of God there is some substantiation this means "a passive homosexual", meaning one who accepts this act.

Anyhow, if you don't want to vote-- don't. I don't feel like re-doing this poll and thread. It will run it's course in a few more days.

No one is obligated to vote.

 

[Tpolg]

I already voted, but I was confused at first, I had to read several posts to see what you were getting at.
Obviously any one who is passively accepting it is partaking in the active parties sin, but if you were say unconscious or tide up or something, then I don’t see how you could be sinning?

 

[manchambo]

The other problem with this question is what exactly do you mean by sodomy? It has been defined at various times (not based on the bible in my estimation) to include many different forms of sexual contact, including even intercourse in different positions.

 

[sunlover1]

While the marriage bed is undefiled, there are still things you cannot justify doing there.
For instance, murder.
Can't always just say, "well, the marriage bed is undefiled".

.

 

[bliz]

Ezekial 16:49 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen."

May I suggest that before one is married, when one has yet not have any kind of sex, is not the right time to make a decisions about what sexual acts one will or will not engage in when married.

 

[Tpolg]

Are you suggesting that one should wait until one is married to find out what sort of kinky acts the other party wishes to perform on you?

 

[artybloke]

How about: what two people do in their own beds and consensually is of no concern to anyone but the two concerned, as an ethical principle?

 

[MoodyBlue]

I agree that the vote has to be for your own self and your own relationship.

My fiance' and I had a talk about it yesterday and we both agree it is a sin for us. We both do not want it in our marriage. We both think it's icky and not God's ideal for us.

Don't be surprised if your perception of what is "icky" changes after you have been married for a while.