Can you point out what exactly it is about a democratically-run workplace that is so much less desirable than the common dictatorial model?
No not really, can you?
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Can you point out what exactly it is about a democratically-run workplace that is so much less desirable than the common dictatorial model?
Apologies, it really wasn't my intention to give that impression, the definition provided was quite an absolutist one, (at least that's how I understood it). I would consider myself generally supportive of socialist principles (I can't really fathom why any self-identifying 'Christian' wouldn't be) just not of absolutist implementations(of anything), if that makes any sense.No, but that’s because I support socialism. You seemingly implied the opposite, yet you don’t care to explain why?
Ah, ok then. I agree it’s typically unwise to support an absolutist version of anything, so I see what you mean now.Apologies, it really wasn't my intention to give that impression, the definition provided was quite an absolutist one, (at least that's how I understood it). I would consider myself generally supportive of socialist principles (I can't really fathom why any self-identifying 'Christian' wouldn't be) just not of absolutist implementations(of anything), if that makes any sense.
If I could winner that a million times I would.IMO the problem with socialism is that there is literally no end in this world to all the sufferings that people experience, but there is a limit to the amount of resources we have in this world to address those things.
Not a scarce word but we should be fighting against it as much possible and in everyway possible.
For those who are concerned about others - it's possible to do now - just give your money to a charity. It's easy
Quoting from Internet Encyclopaedia of Philosophy
Considered as an economic system, socialism is best understood in contrast with capitalism.
Capitalism designates an economic system with all of the following features:
An economic system is socialist only if it rejects feature 1, private ownership of the means of production in favor of public or social ownership. But must an economic system reject any of features 2-4 to count as socialist, or is rejection of private property sufficient as well as necessary? Here, socialists disagree. Some, often called “market socialists”, hold that socialism is compatible, in principle, with wage labor, profit-seeking firms, and extensive use of markets to organize and coordinate production and investment. Others, sometimes called “orthodox” or “classical” socialists, contend that an economic system with these features is scarcely distinguishable from capitalism; true socialism, on this view, requires not merely social ownership of the means of production but also planned production for use, as opposed to “anarchic”, market-driven production for profit.
- The means of production are, for the most part, privately owned;
- People own their labor power, and are legally free to sell it to (or withhold it from) others;
- Production is generally oriented towards profit rather than use: firms produce not in the first instance to satisfy human needs, but rather to make money; and
- Markets play a major role in allocating inputs to commodity production and determining the amount and direction of investment.
"Production" has a wide definition beyond producing widgets.
When Adam Smith wrote The Wealth of Nations back in 1776....he spent the vast majority of the book describing economic trends he saw occurring and both the pros and cons of their eventual outcomes. He was doing what no other economist, as far as I can tell, has ever done successfully.
He was able to foresee trends others couldn't because he understood the forces driving those trends better than anyone else. He's a staggering level of economic genius that's difficult to overstate.
Can you point out what exactly it is about a democratically-run workplace that is so much less desirable than the common dictatorial model?
I can....will any examples do?
Can you point out what exactly it is about a democratically-run workplace that is so much less desirable than the common dictatorial model?
You can list examples of problems that demonstrably arise as a consequence of worker control of the means of production if it aids your argument, but it would probably be more helpful to your case if you could provide sound reasoning for your position rather than the usual list of failed/sabotaged implementations or misnomers.I can....will any examples do?
In America, we have too many people riding in the cart and not enough people pulling the cart. A universal healthcare system would result in high premiums for the working man and a free ride for the freeloaders.....which is why Americans can’t have a universal healthcare system?
I’d suggest ditching the cart and finding a better means of transportation. Like most other developed nations already have.In America, we have too many people riding in the cart and not enough people pulling the cart. A universal healthcare system would result in high premiums for the working man and a free ride for the freeloaders.
What freeloaders? Isn’t unemployment at a historic low, at least before the pandemic?In America, we have too many people riding in the cart and not enough people pulling the cart. A universal healthcare system would result in high premiums for the working man and a free ride for the freeloaders.
It temporarily was until coronavirus came on the scene. An estimated 59 million Americans receive welfare during an average month which is 19% of the population. Also, not everyone who works has healthcare through their employer. Universal healthcare in the US would most likely cover illegal immigrants as well. Anyone who feels healthy but needs health care must still pay for the expense of those who are not healthy or do not pay into the healthcare system.What freeloaders? Isn’t unemployment at a historic low, at least before the pandemic?
Anyone who pays for healthcare, whether privately or through a public service, is paying for the expense of those who are not healthy or do not pay into the system. Those who pay for it through a private insurance are also paying for the insurance and insurance broker companies’ overhead expenses (non-payers are baked in to this figure) plus the heavy administrative work required to sort all of it out for each patient’s individual case. If you want to talk about freeloaders, look no further than the insurance company that charges you a high premium every month only to deny you coverage once you try to use it at the doctor’s office. It’s ludicrous to suggest that this is the best the nation with the biggest economy in the world can offer its citizens.It temporarily was until coronavirus came on the scene. An estimated 59 million Americans receive welfare during an average month which is 19% of the population. Also, not everyone who works has healthcare through their employer. Universal healthcare in the US would most likely cover illegal immigrants as well. Anyone who feels healthy but needs health care must still pay for the expense of those who are not healthy or do not pay into the healthcare system.
Scandalous evenIt’s ludicrous to suggest that this is the best the nation with the biggest economy in the world can offer its citizens.
You made some good points. It's also ludicrous and criminal what US citizens get charged for prescriptions.Anyone who pays for healthcare, whether privately or through a public service, is paying for the expense of those who are not healthy or do not pay into the system. Those who pay for it through a private insurance are also paying for the insurance and insurance broker companies’ overhead expenses (non-payers are baked in to this figure) plus the heavy administrative work required to sort all of it out for each patient’s individual case. If you want to talk about freeloaders, look no further than the insurance company that charges you a high premium every month only to deny you coverage once you try to use it at the doctor’s office. It’s ludicrous to suggest that this is the best the nation with the biggest economy in the world can offer its citizens.