Is sex wrong?

[Flatscan82]

Some may view this a risqué topic so be forewarned

I have been debating the question of late. I know what the bible says, that sex outside marriage is fornication, and thus wrong.

However when you love someone and are in a committed relationship (just serious dating, no engagements) is it then still a sin?
Because isn’t the act of having sex a sign of love between you and your partner.

Also one thing to consider is that women were property back in the bible times. And so the value of a virgin was really high. I know that to the bible it is fornication. But to me “fornication” is looking at pornography, having one night stands, viewing woman as objects instead of children of god, and allowing sex to rule your life instead of God.

Also sex back in the bible days was very risky (which is apart of the reasons I think that it said to abstain from it.) but today we have birth control, and condoms. Had we had those items back in the bible times would the people of that time view sex differently? Also in “Acts” God said to peter “do not call what I have created profane” God created sex. It was not a human creation. Sex is pleasurable, and why would God create some thing that feels good to be evil. I know some may say that sex is only for making babies. Which I will have to agree, however then again sex is one of the best feelings a person can have, and how can a feeling so good be a sin. When I have having sex with my GF I do not feel that it is a sin, it is an act of love I share with her…..I am wrong?

 

[ebia]

I know what the bible says, that sex outside marriage is fornication, and thus wrong.

Does it? The bible is pretty clear about adultery, but other than that it's actually pretty ambiguous about sexual issues.

 

[bunnysfriend]

this is something i have trouble understanding to. the way i see it God was telling us not to commit adultry for our own good as it enevitably hurts us, look at all the pain caused by people going through divorce and stuff. as for fornication, ive heard theres some debate as to what it actualy means. again i think God was telling us not do do it for our own good, if you have loads of sexual partners you might get a disease or unwanted pregnancy. but i have trouble understanding why it would be wrong if you have sex responsibly, like what your doing. its like drinking, you shouldnt abuse it but drink responsibly. i guess God had to make one rule to cover all as some people would think its ok to have sex with whoever, whenever, and it would get out of control. i dunno ive stopped doing it at the mo, (my poor bf!) coz im scared of doing anything that might make God angry.

 

[Flatscan82]

this is something i have trouble understanding to. the way i see it God was telling us not to commit adultry for our own good as it enevitably hurts us, look at all the pain caused by people going through divorce and stuff. as for fornication, ive heard theres some debate as to what it actualy means. again i think God was telling us not do do it for our own good, if you have loads of sexual partners you might get a disease or unwanted pregnancy. but i have trouble understanding why it would be wrong if you have sex responsibly, like what your doing. its like drinking, you shouldnt abuse it but drink responsibly. i guess God had to make one rule to cover all as some people would think its ok to have sex with whoever, whenever, and it would get out of control. i dunno ive stopped doing it at the mo, (my poor bf!) coz im scared of doing anything that might make God angry.

yea, i still feel if you love each other, then it is not something perverse but an act of love.

 

[mark53]

Some may view this a risqué topic so be forewarned

I have been debating the question of late. I know what the bible says, that sex outside marriage is fornication, and thus wrong.

However when you love someone and are in a committed relationship (just serious dating, no engagements) is it then still a sin?
Because isn’t the act of having sex a sign of love between you and your partner.

Also one thing to consider is that women were property back in the bible times. And so the value of a virgin was really high. I know that to the bible it is fornication. But to me “fornication” is looking at pornography, having one night stands, viewing woman as objects instead of children of god, and allowing sex to rule your life instead of God.

Also sex back in the bible days was very risky (which is apart of the reasons I think that it said to abstain from it.) but today we have birth control, and condoms. Had we had those items back in the bible times would the people of that time view sex differently? Also in “Acts” God said to peter “do not call what I have created profane” God created sex. It was not a human creation. Sex is pleasurable, and why would God create some thing that feels good to be evil. I know some may say that sex is only for making babies. Which I will have to agree, however then again sex is one of the best feelings a person can have, and how can a feeling so good be a sin. When I have having sex with my GF I do not feel that it is a sin, it is an act of love I share with her…..I am wrong?

There are a number of differences between then and now!

Firstly, one now 'falls in love" when back then and to only about 100 years ago marriages were mainly arranged.

Secondly, marriage, as we know it - as a Church and Government sanctioned event is only also fairly new. Church marriages were 'invented' so that the Church could keep accurate records. We can have access to these records now for family history!

Thirdly, Marriage was when a couple first had sex together (at the instigation of the male) SO sex before marriage was not an issue in the Bible times as sex = marriage. (There is some resonance of that still in the Roman Catholic tradition!

 

[bunnysfriend]

yea, i still feel if you love each other, then it is not something perverse but an act of love.

yeah well i think that too, but then some people think they are in love when theyre not (not saying your not!). i guess Gods rules are Gods rules and we have to respect them, even if we dont understand. i guess its also kinda nice in a way to wait till your married, kinda romantic.

 

[Waiting for the Verdict]

sex is not wrong

premarital sex is.

 

[Sam Gamgee]

If it is, I don't want to be right. :o

 

[Flatscan82]

yeah well i think that too, but then some people think they are in love when theyre not (not saying your not!). i guess Gods rules are Gods rules and we have to respect them, even if we dont understand. i guess its also kinda nice in a way to wait till your married, kinda romantic.

maybe for women.....

 

[bunnysfriend]

maybe for women.....

hahaha, maybe. i dunno, just tryna put a positive spin on things.

 

[SpaceMan]

All just my opinion here (of course), but: To my mind, the forbiddance against pre-marital sex is to try and ensure a commitment between the two sexual partners. That’s the main intention. Are there marriages without any sense of love & trust? Sure. Are there non-marital, sexual relationships which contain deep loyalty & mutual devotion? Sure. It’s not a question of whether or not pre-marital sex is wrong…it’s a question of whether the sex is an expression of intimacy, or if its just done as a sport of some sort…

 

[Caylin]

I can't get married, so I'm not really having premarital sex, more like nonmarital sex.

 

[Waiting for the Verdict]

I can't get married, so I'm not really having premarital sex, more like nonmarital sex.

Yea, I defintely don't think the Bible or any other religous document addresses amarital or nonmarital sex, which I definetely think is seperate from premarital sex.

Sorry, if I did not mention that in my eariler post.

God bless, Dracon.

 

[bunnysfriend]

Yea, I defintely don't think the Bible or any other religous document addresses amarital or nonmarital sex, which I definetely think is seperate from premarital sex.

Sorry, if I did not mention that in my eariler post.

God bless, Dracon.

so if you have sex before you get married its a sin, but if you have sex but dont ever plan on getting married its not?

 

[Caylin]

so if you have sex before you get married its a sin, but if you have sex but dont ever plan on getting married its not?

Its not that I don't plan on getting married. I litterally can not. Not in Texas. Not in a lot of southern states.

 

[Multi-Elis]

However when you love someone and are in a committed relationship (just serious dating, no engagements) is it then still a sin?

I liked the morality of a newager I met 5 years ago: No sex untill you are ready (physically, psychologically, materially, socially) to have children. Despite the birth control and condomns, I've seen too many sad cases.
What does comitted mean? We are all committed to some extent. We have friends, we are at a very basic level comitted to not laughing at them behind the back, and respecting the personal secrets that person has. Normally when we talk about a comitted relationship in connection whith sex, we talk about "not leaving the person when things get really tough, and aren't really working out well". So are you that commited? May as well work your way to engagements and mariage. (Mariage is a way to make sure you stay commited, and if you don't, you pay a price). Because really, what happens is that in different levels of relationships, different levels of expression are acceptable, and they are usually supposed to be connected to the amount of commitment, and what it means to break up the comittement.

 

[Caylin]

I liked the morality of a newager I met 5 years ago: No sex untill you are ready (physically, psychologically, materially, socially) to have children. Despite the birth control and condomns, I've seen too many sad cases.

*Bitterly* Thats not something I have to worry about either.

 

[Mailman Dan]

Just wondering....

Why did you put this in "Liberal Theology" rather than any other Christian forum? Are you looking for people who will tell you the bible is in error on those teachings?

We know that just because something seems good to us, its not good in God's sight. Jesus even stated if you look with lust you commit adultry of the heart. As you already mentioned, you know what the bible sates on the topic, however to *you* it doesn't seem wrong...

It's not to say that people don't commit sin, but when you say something is "not" a sin, then you can not repent of your sin, and will be found guilty of it on the day of judgement.

In the bible people often commited this sin, and always paidd some price for it. David did repent of his sin, because he knew what he did offended God, however it did cost him, as well as others who broke God's guide lines and boundries..

Your going to have to chose how much you value your "beliefs" over doing what feels good to you....

Dan~~~>wonders what responces you'd get in the other forums

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

Dan ~~~~ you can post your questions and your responses in "other forums" all you want.

Bunny hops all over these forums gathering information. She takes it all in and eventually will make up her own mind what is right for her.
If she's comfortable posting her questions here she is more than welcome to continue doing so.
I seriously doubt she's gonna get coodies or anything. Believe it or not, sometimes it's refreshing to get non parrotted non proof text replies to questions.

 

[Flatscan82]

Just wondering....

Why did you put this in "Liberal Theology" rather than any other Christian forum? Are you looking for people who will tell you the bible is in error on those teachings?

We know that just because something seems good to us, its not good in God's sight. Jesus even stated if you look with lust you commit adultry of the heart. As you already mentioned, you know what the bible sates on the topic, however to *you* it doesn't seem wrong...

It's not to say that people don't commit sin, but when you say something is "not" a sin, then you can not repent of your sin, and will be found guilty of it on the day of judgement.

In the bible people often commited this sin, and always paidd some price for it. David did repent of his sin, because he knew what he did offended God, however it did cost him, as well as others who broke God's guide lines and boundries..

Your going to have to chose how much you value your "beliefs" over doing what feels good to you....

Dan~~~>wonders what responces you'd get in the other forums

Because I needed some deep thinkers on this issue, I needed a real debate instead of the bible said it there fore it is wrong. I wanted a critical look at the issue of sex from today to 2,000 years ago. is there a differance, or is it the same. And i just can't do that on the other relgious theads.