Is science irrational?

[bhsmte]

My point is that if you were to change your mind about the Christian God in light of new convincing evidence you would have to admit you are weak in comparison to this God. By admiting that, God would strengthen you Himself for as long as you follow Him.

I'm on my phone right now so I can't quote things, sorry.

Your answer then is, deny this new evidence that goes against a belief in God, so you can convince yourself you are not weak in comparison to God????

Sorry, I can't lie to myself and deny well evidenced reality.

 

[quatona]

My point is that if you were to change your mind about the Christian God in light of new convincing evidence you would have to admit you are weak in comparison to this God. By admiting that, God would strengthen you Himself for as long as you follow Him.

Has this already turned out to be a scarcely disguised apologetics thread?
Why am I not surprised...

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

IMO, truth should be simple, but as we all should know, it takes vast complexity to make something as simple as possible. Just look at the world around you to understand that truth.

I hope you know what you're talking about... I don't.

 

[allhart]

Yahweh is sovereign over his creation n science is after the fact not behind it all!

 

[allhart]

Is science based on ones opinions of belief cuz I do not want believe but want to know....

 

[bhsmte]

Is science based on ones opinions of belief cuz I do not want believe but want to know....

Sure science is based on pure subjective opinion.

This is why:

-you are able to send messages on your computer
-your car starts and takes you were you want to go
-your fridge keeps food fresh
-your house is kept cool and warm when needed
-your doctor can run diagnostic tests to diagnose and treat you effectively
-you can turn on the television and watch it

All the above are reliable, because of someones subjective opinion.

 

[katerinah1947]

Is the purpose of science to continue questioning everything indefinitely?

OR

Is the purpose of science to continue questioning everything until an undeniable truth is found?

If the purpose is the former, then how can any individual ever know if they are correct in their beliefs about reality?

If the purpose is the latter, then wouldn't each individual be expected to accept the undeniable truth?

IMO, the purpose of science is to question everything, not necessarily find the truth. I find this to be an irrational way to figure out reality.

The most rational way to view reality is to question it with the intent of finding the truth.

Thoughts?

Hi,

This is what I do. I question everything, even things I already know, until the Absolute not an undeniable truth is found.

I and everyone uses undeniable truths, like Newtons Laws are called. Yet, when there were more undeniable truths found pertaining to Newtons Laws, those were accepted and used. And, this will continue, until the Absolute truth is reached.

All Scientists and some others, always accept the undeniable truths. And science is not really about questioning everything, it is about solving problems and it primarily only involves whats, as opposed to whys.

Your ending statement of "The most rational way to view reality is to question it with the intent of finding the truth" seems to be rather correct to me.

LOVE,

 

[Chriliman]

Is science based on ones opinions of belief cuz I do not want believe but want to know....

John 8:31-32
"If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

 

[allhart]

John 8:31-32
"If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

U must first hear to believe but u must see to know!? Blessed is he that believe with out seeing however I do not have a blind faith.... Was doubting Thomas without faith!? Did John the Baptist have blind faith asking Yahushua if he was the one? Did Paul before or after his encounter to Damascus have blind faith!?
Would u die for a lie!? Would have the disciples died with a blind faith!? Would u die not knowing or in your belief if your life is ever required of u!?

 

[Davian]

...
Those that want the truth are most likely to find it <snip>

Wait a minute - how would we test that assertion?

 

[Chriliman]

U must first hear to believe but u must see to know!? Blessed is he that believe with out seeing however I do not have a blind faith.... Was doubting Thomas without faith!? Did John the Baptist have blind faith asking Yahushua if he was the one? Did Paul before or after his in counter to Damascus have blind faith!?
Would u die for a lie!? Would have the disciples died with a blind faith!? Would u die not knowing or in your belief if your life is ever required of u!?

My quote of scripture was meant to encourage you. If you follow Jesus' word you will be His disciple and you will know the truth and it will set you free. If we keep following Him no matter what, we'll do just fine

God bless!

 

[Davian]

I'm not sure you answered my questions, but that's ok.

So you'll change your mind if it can be perceived by others that you are strengthened by changing your mind?

However, if convincing evidence of the Christian God were presented to you,

Evidence that you are unable to produce...

it would cause great fear and trembling and you would have to admit your utter weakness in comparison to this God. You think a changed mind is a sign of strength not weakness, which might explain why your mind may never be changed no matter what evidence is presented.

My mind has changed on a wide variety of topics. On the subject of gods, it may not be changed, if all that is offered by religionists such as yourself is opinion.

I'll be honest, that's a scary thought for me because I hope you will be saved someday.

Knock Knock

• Davian
• Jan 1, 2015

 

[allhart]

My quote of scripture was meant to encourage you. If you follow Jesus' word you will be His disciple and you will know the truth and it will set you free. If we keep following Him no matter what, we'll do just fine

God bless!

true.... No one can rob me of my love for Yahweh except for myself... If that makes any sense lol!

 

[Chriliman]

true.... No one can rob me of my love for Yahweh except for myself... If that makes any sense lol!

Indeed!

 

[bhsmte]

Indeed!

I see you are able to quote now.

Can you now please fully address post #218

 

[katerinah1947]

John 8:31-32
"If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Hi,

Yours in an amazing post in science. Before I go on. To the staff, yes this is part of that approved private revelation. One day, early on in that calling of faith plus, that I fought and fought because it was so hard for me in the beginning days to handle Spiritual Events, on the second day, being a Scientist, I would in fact understand the entire known and unknown universe, it's content, and it's meaning.

I understood it, because it was shown to me, in relationship to Jesus Christ and just how Tender and Mild He is.

From that point on, I did not work so hard in many parts of science, because unbeknown to me, I was using science to try and find God.

Just like your passage said, this did not happen in the beginning of my search for God. It happened after many years being in The Word.

Was I a disciple of Jesus, and so fit that passage also. Decide from this please.

I am sitting across the table with another man, with a retired but still active old Spritual Catholic Priest. It is donuts and coffee time at our favorite hang out spot. That's all we used to do.

However, him being a Catholic and me just having proven The Bible is Real a few years prior, (Actually God having me, and showing me how to do that, with help.), the conversation went on, until I shocked the both of them, over a Bible item.

"Where did you read that? What?" I didn't read that. This is my own work, (yes, forgetting that no one can do anything without God). The silence stunned me. Both men went totally silent as I finished. I had no idea what just happened.

Time would pass, and I would find out what happened. One night, I am again with my retired priest friend and his other friends at an evening meal, in the old folks home where he lived now. The room was filled. I was asked to stay.

While in a conversation with him and with his friends, I noticed the retired priest was talking to a person at another table briefly. After I was done I asked him. "What was all that about?". She said that you did not know what you were talking about. I told her, if you say something, it is correct.

I was so stunned, I did not know what to say. How could he say that about me? That can't be true. If it is true though, then I was a disciple for awhile, fitting again, the above statement.

The last thing for being set free on science, was seeing the entire known and unknown universe and a connection to the depths of the Tenderness of Jesus, and His mildness, and oh by the way, He is more than that.

LOVE,

 

[Chriliman]

I'll answer my questions as if I'm you:

Do you think the current evidence available points to there being no Christian God?

I'm presuming bhsmte response will be: "Yes"

Or do you think there isn't enough evidence to make that conclusion?

I'm presuming bhsmte response will be: "No, there is enough evidence to make that conclusion."

Meaning evidence could arise that points to the Christian God as being true and if that evidence were to arise you would accept it if it was convincing?

I'm presuming bhsmte response will be: "No, I would not accept it."

I've presumed these responses based on what you've said below.

We have a pretty good description of the traits of this Christian God and what he has claimed to have done.

When I overlap the above with well evidenced reality, I can not reconcile the claims or the theology as being true. I acquired knowledge after 40 years of believing the theology and when we keep on learning about well evidenced reality, it can and will cause us to change our view points on things.

As I have said before, acknowledging new information that is well evidenced and changing one's mind, is a sign of strength, not weakness.

Feel free to change the responses if you don't agree.

 

[Chriliman]

Hi,

Yours in an amazing post in science. Before I go on. To the staff, yes this is part of that approved private revelation. One day, early on in that calling of faith plus, that I fought and fought because it was so hard for me in the beginning days to handle Spiritual Events, on the second day, being a Scientist, I would in fact understand the entire known and unknown universe, it's content, and it's meaning.

I understood it, because it was shown to me, in relationship to Jesus Christ and just how Tender and Mild He is.

From that point on, I did not work so hard in many parts of science, because unbeknown to me, I was using science to try and find God.

Just like your passage said, this did not happen in the beginning of my search for God. It happened after many years being in The Word.

Was I a disciple of Jesus, and so fit that passage also. Decide from this please.

I am sitting across the table with another man, with a retired but still active old Spritual Catholic Priest. It is donuts and coffee time at our favorite hang out spot. That's all we used to do.

However, him being a Catholic and me just having proven The Bible is Real a few years prior, (Actually God having me, and showing me how to do that, with help.), the conversation went on, until I shocked the both of them, over a Bible item.

"Where did you read that? What?" I didn't read that. This is my own work, (yes, forgetting that no one can do anything without God). The silence stunned me. Both men went totally silent as I finished. I had no idea what just happened.

Time would pass, and I would find out what happened. One night, I am again with my retired priest friend and his other friends at an evening meal, in the old folks home where he lived now. The room was filled. I was asked to stay.

While in a conversation with him and with his friends, I noticed the retired priest was talking to a person at another table briefly. After I was done I asked him. "What was all that about?". She said that you did not know what you were talking about. I told her, if you say something, it is correct.

I was so stunned, I did not know what to say. How could he say that about me? That can't be true. If it is true though, then I was a disciple for awhile, fitting again, the above statement.

The last thing for being set free on science, was seeing the entire known and unknown universe and a connection to the depths of the Tenderness of Jesus, and His mildness, and oh by the way, He is more than that.

LOVE,

Interesting. Thanks!

 

[bhsmte]

I'll answer my questions as if I'm you:



I'm presuming bhsmte response will be: "Yes"



I'm presuming bhsmte response will be: "No, there is enough evidence to make that conclusion."



I'm presuming bhsmte response will be: "No, I would not accept it."

I've presumed these responses based on what you've said below.



Feel free to change the responses if you don't agree.

What on earth is this?

Did you even read my post?

Post 218, which you said you couldn't address, because you were on your phone. Address now please.

For clarification, please address these points directly, thanks.

Tell me which question I did not answer with my post and I will address it.

When did I say, I am motivated to change my mind if other people's perceptions are I am strengthened by changing my mind?

Clearly, you didn't read what I posted. I will clarify; since I have already changed my mind once on this important question, I have demonstrated that i do not fear accepting new evidence, that will cause me to reevaluate my beliefs. How you perceive, this means I will never change my mind, is beyond me, since I have already demonstrated, that my mind can be changed.

It's a scary thought that some people accept new knowledge and evidence, that leads them to believe they were wrong about something?

 

[HitchSlap]

There is truth in my conclusion. I view science as a tool to help reach complete understanding of our reality, but this complete understanding can only be through God, who has complete understanding of reality and can give understanding as He pleases.

You don't take this view do you? Therefore, you view science as a tool to help understand reality, but not necessarily find complete understanding because you don't know if complete understanding is possible for humans to achieve.

This is my conclusion. Take it or leave it.

"Yeah, well, that's like your opinion, man."