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Do you think that everyone who is a Christian understands all the things of God?Good. That doesn't answer my question though.
I think he was saying that it's through Christ that the sins we all commit can be forgiven, so if you have no Savior you will have to answer for your own failings. The implication is that you will be judged to be wanting...because of your unforgiven sin.
That really does conflict with Romans 4, 5 and 6, which says that we receive our justification ONLY in Christ. He is our Advocate, we receive His righteousness.God alone knows with certainty the extent to which I've followed His will and responded to His grace -I can only have an assurance, albeit a guarded one, based on my trust in Him together with my own observance of how I've changed, how I've lived my life, what I've done, as per the Parable of the Talents, with the gifts He's given. Righteousness/justification has a basis, or a definition, which is love. And without that, I am nothing. 1 Cor 13
And you know who has heard and who has not?Yes that's what I was saying, no Saviour, no salvation. Billions going to hell for not hearing.
One moment Christians say they know everything about how to get saved. You point out lack of logic, then they quickly change their position and say that it's not the way all people get saved, or that we simply don't know how people get saved. Flip flop.
Do you think that everyone who is a Christian understands all the things of God?
That is indeed possible.Yes that's what I was saying, no Saviour, no salvation. Billions going to hell for not hearing.
That's fine.I don't think so. I'm just asking simple questions.
We seem to be having a little difficulty penetrating your determination not to hear of anything that cuts against your preconceived ideas--even though you are asking us questions. We do know what the word of God says when it comes to how salvation is made possible. Yes we do. But you asked about situations concerning which the Bible does not give us the answer. There is no reason to think that very situation that could possibly arise with anyone anywhere at any time must be revealed by God in his word. That's not a flip flop or evasion. That's the answer.
Salvation is a gift. The only thing we need to do is believe that Jesus is our saviour. Only by doing so, we will receive eternal life
The more reason for us Christian to spread the word of God
That is indeed possible.
So have we settled things here? You disbelieve because you think God ought to operate in a certain way but does not. We believe that he has made salvation possible to those who trust in his Son, Jesus Christ. Is that an accurate summary?
That's fine.
Have you looked in the Bible first? Or are you just throwing these out there to see who bites and what they say?
The thing I have found is many people blame other people and their answers for things not being right. However, each one of us has God's Word, so no one is without excuse.
So, I hope you are barking up a tree because you want to find truth, ya know.
There are no 'evasions' in there. That's what I've said from the beginning, friend.Your answer is not an answer. Yes, evasion: now you are saying that if it's not in the Bible then we don't know.
That's right. I am also saying that there is no particular reason why I have to know.It's the single most important question of all. And you claim that it's the way to heaven. It's a matter of punishment or reward for eternity. And you are not sure about the way of salvation for billions and billions of people because the word of God is silent about it?
And that is what I wrote in my last post before this one. There's no call for you to fume or to denigrate anyone after they've agreed to answer your questions.I disagree.
A lot of people have it wrong. Justification is at one and the same time an event, and a process. Read the Parable of the Talents and also Matt 25:31-46. The bible has to be understood in its whole context. Man will always be obligated to be righteous. The problem is that this righteousness comes only from God, and is realized only has man achieves communion with Him. This is what Jesus came to accomplish: reconciliation with and then union between man and God, as was always meant to be the right order of things. Man is just only because God grants him justice, not because He ignores man's injustice. And God loves man so much that He doesn't want man to remain a sinner; He didn't create man to be a sinner after all. He wants way more from us-and more importantly for us-than we can even begin to imagine. Either way the bible is quite full of passages that tell us that man can turn back away from God, after coming to believe, at any step along the way.That really does conflict with Romans 4, 5 and 6, which says that we receive our justification ONLY in Christ. He is our Advocate, we receive His righteousness.
If you are in Christ, He HAS MADE YOU RIGHTEOUS IN HIM.
You can never get it or earn it on your own. It's not for sale. That's what God's Word says.
I would do a mini Bible study on justification. You have it way wrong.
I sure hope you are not calling Paul a mocker....
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And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Point being the outcome of knowledge should be love...
One can call out every mistake they think another has made in their doctrines...but its the one that trust Jesus who is truly justified...and they can have lots of faulty thinking...and enter the kingdom faster than one who doesn't and believes all the right things....
That's what I've said from the beginning, friend.
That's right. I am also saying that there is no particular reason why I have to know.
And that is what I wrote in my last post before this one. There's no need for you to fume or denigrate anyone.
I was being facetious.Jesus gave us the example of self reduction, self sacrifice, and self minimization, all these three are examples of 'dying to yourself', one that practices these finds His burden is light, and His yoke is easy, one who does not practice His example and is heavily invested in this life finds that His yoke is heavy, and His burden impossible. Forgiveness works hand in hand with Christ's example to produce sanctification in us, this is the power. Also there are those who have life dominating sins that they need to be delivered from, but Jesus can release them from that too, or if it is caused by a spirit it can be removed. So don't give up too soon.
I assume you've asked God about it and He has been silent in your experience? Or have you not asked God?Your answer is not an answer. Yes, evasion: now you are saying that if it's not in the Bible then we don't know. Why is it not in the Bible? It's the single most important question of all. And you claim that it's the way to heaven. It's a matter of punishment or reward for eternity. And you are not sure about the way of salvation for billions and billions of people because the word of God is silent about it?
What does God's Word say about the people who lived before Jesus Christ died for sin?Sorry, I'm confused. I prefer to keep things simple and clear.
Are you saying that:
1) people get saved through faith in Jesus Christ only as explained in the New Testament of the Bible.
2) That means, the people who lived in the past and live today in the world who have never heard about Jesus at all or the right message about Jesus are going to hell?
Let's take an example of a peasant Farhad in rural Iran, who during his life of 23 years before dying only heard that the prophet Isa (Jesus) is a man like all of us and Isa has preached Islam similar to Muhammad? Therefore, he never believed in the gospel as per Christianity. Is he going to hell because he was not saved? Hid did believe in Allah and tried to live a life of a good Muslim.
It's a genuine question.
Do you understand the difference between 'justification' and 'sanctification'? Very, very important.A lot of people have it wrong. Justification is at one and the same time an event, and a process. Read the Parable of the Talents and also Matt 25:31-46. The bible has to be understood in its whole context. Man will always be obligated to be righteous. The problem is that this righteousness comes only from God, and is realized only has man achieves communion with Him. This is what Jesus came to accomplish: reconciliation with and then union between man and God, as was always meant to be the right order of things. Man is just only because God grants him justice, not because He ignores man's injustice. And God loves man so much that He doesn't want man to remain a sinner; He didn't create man to be a sinner after all. He wants way more from us-and more importantly for us-than we can even begin to imagine. Either way the bible is quite full of passages that tell us that man can turn back away from God, after coming to believe, at any step along the way.
What does God's Word say about the people who lived before Jesus Christ died for sin?
And ... since we are not able to judge since only Jesus Christ knows the heart and spirit, none of us can judge your hypothetical, nor should we.
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