Is revelations scary??

[Highland Watchman]

No worries. I'm just a little touchy about such discussions. I've just seen too many really spiteful and degrading anti-pretrib posts on these forums. Some people just have too much fun causing divisions. Well I should expect it though, Jesus didn't come to save the nice people so we all pretty much came from a wretched mindset and it can really take time to break these strongholds and emerge into maturity, if at all.

As for the thread on Helicopters, no I have not looked, and I doubt I will. I can tell by his posts here, he is not really someone I want to try to have a discussion with in all reality. I could easily change the example I used to bio engineering, but that was not the point of my posts here.

Peace out

I can understand your touchiness. Being Pan-millennial myself, I have actually have been called anything from a blasphemer and a mocker of God's truth to a heretic, and this by Pre-tribbers and Post-tribbers and Amillennialists alike. I do not mean to cause division or to degrade anyone, and I apologize if I may have done this also. Rather, I want to represent the truth, however it is that the truth happens to play itself out...

I know some good friends of mine (myself included somewhat, though less so) who have also been called heretical because we hold to the viewpoint of mutual submission in relationships between men and women, and for egalitarian complementariness (meaning both are equal, both can serve in leadership and any position, provided they are the most capable for the task, which would include pastoral leadership, etc.)... Of course, I have also been kicked off of forums for encouraging a few girls to follow the dream that God has given them... And I've also been kicked off of other forums because of the entire tongues issue... I happen to believe that tongues is a valid gift, but that it is just that - one gift among many, given to some, and to be considered equal to any given gift, and to be used properly, for the building up of the church... I do not speak in tongues, yet I happen to think I do have the Holy Spirit.

So yeah, I do understand why you would feel hurt by having people bash the views that you would happen to hold on this subject, which is not really one that any of us know because we are not there yet...

Shallom.

 

[daverain]

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However...

When brothers (and sisters),

believe -and teach- FALSELY that

The Rapture will happen -before- The Second Coming of Christ...

I feel one should STILL try to 'reach them', as it were.



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[but'n'ben]

I don't find it scary-more a display of God's power which Christians should praise. The creatures covered in eyes thing may be quite surreal but again, I think it's a sign of what God can do. Whereas humans can now meddle with DNA and create some things we shouldn't make we can never rival God.

I think for a saved Christian, the Revalations isn't something to be frightened of. It's when we will finally be free of the chains of this world and we can be with Jesus-at last!!

I was at a funeral today and although it was sad I realised how bright the future is. God sent sunlight through the windows of the chapel and it lifted my spirits a lot. Life is tough and full of monsters but there is something better. The events mentioned in Revalations will be scary but ultimately the reward will be unbelievable. If Jesus is involved there is nothing to be afraid of.

 

[Angeldove97]

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However...

When brothers (and sisters),

believe -and teach- FALSELY that

The Rapture will happen -before- The Second Coming of Christ...

I feel one should STILL try to 'reach them', as it were.



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To each his own.... I know you're only trying to teach others what you believe but we each have the chance to take our Bible and read what it says... how we interpret it is our own choice. I provided the link because it sums up why I believe what I do and I thought it would provide a good lesson to others. I don't believe it's false...but its how I see it.

The only thing that SHOULD matter is not the order that the events in Revelations are going to happen... but the main lesson that Jesus Christ came to teach us. To love one another!!! So blessings and hugs to all on this blessed Easter. The Lord has brought us together to care for one another.... that's the only thing that should matter in our hearts.

 

[WarrenG]

I know it sounds scary, and I have often wondered if even I will be able to stand up to the tests of evil and my own faith. I have questioned whether I would be able to go to the guillotine for the name of Jesus and pray I would have strength to do so if that ever came to pass... It's very scary, youare 100% correct. Let's just pray God will provide us the strength we need for the present and the future......

God bless you- a person being REAL! U know its very rarely i see someone openly admit whether they would be able to keep steadfast IF we are to be left during the tribulation. I have often wondered but i always come back to the fact that i love God and its quite simply either:

a) Renounce Christ, accept the mark, and be dam sure YOU'RE GOING TO HELL- Revelation clearly outlines eternal suffering in hell for anyone who knowingly accepts it

or

b) Be beheaded, shot, executed (however one will be killed) but be GUARANTEED ur off to heaven.


I believe the process of death does hurt (depending on how you die of course) but actual passing away i.e leaving ur body and going to heaven is but a milli second! Say if one was shot in the head, before you even hit the ground, ur already gone to heaven! Id rather that than claw onto life and spend eternity hell

 

[Amongst the Flock]

Its going to be scary for those who rejected Jesus and then realize where all the Christians are. That is when reality will set in and it is scary to think what they will be going through not to mention when the demons come out of the abyss and sting all that remain for 5 months. That is going to be horrible and this is why we need to get out their and witness.

good luck

 

[AliOgg]

I have read revelations a couple of times, It is both an intreging mystery, and yet at the same time, very scary. I really feel like it paints a scary image of heaven, creatures with 10 eyes and 3 heads for example. The part about the various seals. Does anyone feel this way??

scares me but so do lots of other bits

And God Bless All His Peoples

 

[Sketcher]

I read it when I was a kid, and always though it was pretty cool.

 

[michaeldimmickjr]

As a child I was terrified of The book of Revelation I think because I was raised as a Catholic. But as an adult, saved Christian, I find it excited! I mean, read it to the end - we win!!

Funny you should say that becuase some people think that Revelation 17 & 18 are talking about the Catholic church. Has anyone else ever heard anything about this?

Michael

 

[Telrunya]

God bless you- a person being REAL! U know its very rarely i see someone openly admit whether they would be able to keep steadfast IF we are to be left during the tribulation. I have often wondered but i always come back to the fact that i love God and its quite simply either:

a) Renounce Christ, accept the mark, and be dam sure YOU'RE GOING TO HELL- Revelation clearly outlines eternal suffering in hell for anyone who knowingly accepts it

or

b) Be beheaded, shot, executed (however one will be killed) but be GUARANTEED ur off to heaven.


I believe the process of death does hurt (depending on how you die of course) but actual passing away i.e leaving ur body and going to heaven is but a milli second! Say if one was shot in the head, before you even hit the ground, ur already gone to heaven! Id rather that than claw onto life and spend eternity hell

If it were that simple I would agree, but that isn't what we see of how the perscuted were treated in scripture. They were imprisoned, beat and toutured before being put to death. The thought of being rounded up, marched in somewhere and given this choice in a clean and dignified manner is very alluring. That kind of choice is easy to make. One second of pain is worth eternity. Jesus tells us in Matthew 24 where he is discussing the end times:

Matthew 24:12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,

This is a clear warning to us that if we are here during the tribulation of those days to remain steadfast in our faith even when we are surrounded by persecution. I believe the struggle will be far more than a simple one time choice. I believe that choice will be the culmination of alot of persecution and possibly even tourture. Prepare for the worst and pray for the best.

 

[AliOgg]

To each his own.... I know you're only trying to teach others what you believe but we each have the chance to take our Bible and read what it says... how we interpret it is our own choice. I provided the link because it sums up why I believe what I do and I thought it would provide a good lesson to others. I don't believe it's false...but its how I see it.

The only thing that SHOULD matter is not the order that the events in Revelations are going to happen... but the main lesson that Jesus Christ came to teach us. To love one another!!! So blessings and hugs to all on this blessed Easter. The Lord has brought us together to care for one another.... that's the only thing that should matter in our hearts.

Happy Birthday Angeldove97

And God Bless All His Peoples.

 

[ChristianMuse]

I find this warning in Rev 22:18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Seeing this warning I wonder how easy it is for people to interpret and bring forward all their ideas and comments. Emphasizing one part diminishing others. Some simply weaving a novel that is more fiction than prophecy. I accept John's words. I know there is a blessing to those who read it and to those who hear it. It is the story of our God's victory. But John writes that there are consequences for adding or taking away from this revelation. I would more fear altering the text and message than worry about the events that will "soon" transpire.

 

[AliOgg]

I find this warning in Rev 22:18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Seeing this warning I wonder how easy it is for people to interpret and bring forward all their ideas and comments. Emphasizing one part diminishing others. Some simply weaving a novel that is more fiction than prophecy. I accept John's words. I know there is a blessing to those who read it and to those who hear it. It is the story of our God's victory. But John writes that there are consequences for adding or taking away from this revelation. I would more fear altering the text and message than worry about the events that will "soon" transpire.

Yes, thats a really scary bit.

And God Bless All His Peoples.

 

[stryper36]

I see a bunch of pre-trib writers in here. Especially those of the "Left Behind" Series.
I don't see no tribulation, armageddon, in Revelation.
IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND REVELATION; YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE BIBLE FIRST.

Too many people follow after those "END-TIME" writers like they are god.
Laughing at you all the way to the bank and them they will laugh at you in Hell

 

[ChristianMuse]

I see a bunch of pre-trib writers in here. Especially those of the "Left Behind" Series.
I don't see no tribulation, armageddon, in Revelation.
IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND REVELATION; YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE BIBLE FIRST.

Too many people follow after those "END-TIME" writers like they are god.
Laughing at you all the way to the bank and them they will laugh at you in Hell

Isn't it amazing how some people think because you don't agree with them it is because they 1/ have read and understand the whole bible and 2/ the others have read someone's novel. I find many of the end time writers of fiction entertaining. These works of fiction play no part in my understanding of end time events. Yet I believe there will be a tribulation and there will be an armageddon. To quote someone you know very well... If you want to understand revelation; you have to understand the whole bible first. And I write this without the bolded shouting text of the original writer.

 

[stryper36]

If someone puts something in bold does not constitute someone shouting. That may be your opinion for what it is worth.

If I want to put something in BOLD; I will; but it don't mean I am shouting.

Prove to me that there will be a tribulation and armageddon. Show me the facts.

 

[ChristianMuse]

If someone puts something in bold does not constitute someone shouting. That may be your opinion for what it is worth.

If I want to put something in BOLD; I will; but it don't mean I am shouting.

Prove to me that there will be a tribulation and armageddon. Show me the facts.

first
The shouting is using all Uppercase letters. This you have done. This is generally accepted by everyone as shouting. That you had to bold your shouting for additional effect was what I was also pointing to in my comment. You certainly are free to bold your comments... but I learned from the net that using uppercase letters was shouting and was considered ill-mannered.

second
The scripture talks about a time of great tribulation.
Matthew 24:21...
Mathew 24.28...
Mark 13:24...
Rev 7:14...

The scripture talks about armies gathering in the valley of decision.
Joel 3:1-
This relates to Har-Magedon
Rev 16:12-16

You may disagree with the interpretations but the scriptures point to a great tribulation and Armegeddon.

Now prove to you that what I believe is factually going to happen? I see it by faith. All truths of the scripture are seen by faith not by site. If I could prove it to you it would no longer be by/of faith.

 

[OnEarth]

My friends we are all Christians here and should not argue with each other on where we go. I see angels greeting us with direction for the believers and truly believe that there will be either heaven or hell for you. The Lord sees our heart and will do with us as he wishes. Thats all we can truly say. Look inside yourself and God will show you light. God Bless

 

[thewordcoza]

Maybe we should be ratherr scared of our old selves, and look at each other as brothers in Christ through His eyes, doing everything we do in love, and as He would have:
Col 3:17 KJV And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Revelations should not be scary, it is a revelation of:
Rev 1:1 KJV The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Let's remember what it is all about:
Rev 2:4 KJV Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

 

[stryper36]

IF I WANT TO TYPE IN UPPERCASE LETTERS I WILL
BUT I AM NOT SHOUTING
THAT IS JUST A MATTER OF OPINION