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Is pride good or bad?
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nadroj1985
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If you mean pride as pride in yourself and thinking you are above someone else, I think it is the greatest of all "bad things."
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startinover
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I think a lot of people have too much pride in what they believe to be right; and they use it to bring others in the ground and away from God.
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From a Christian perspective, Romans 12:3 states:flicka said:
For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.
Is Paul is saying here that pride is a dangerous thing? Do you think "sober judgment" may be referring to that balance that flicka is talking about?
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I feel that pride is essential if a person wishes to life to the best of their ability. Without pride you do not have self respect for yourself and it is very difficult to get far in life with out self respect... Having said that than having too much pride is definatley a bad thing, it can cloud your judment.
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"Too much pride"...how can pride be measured? Does it effect those around you negatively? If yes, then back off on the esteem cocktails.
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Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.Pride goes before the fall.Am I proud to be God`s beloved son or daughter? Yes,I am.Greetings,Emmy.
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I believe pride, or the ego, is our deadliest enemy, the main obstruction to realizing the Self and merging with God. Once a person loses their ego, or the identification with the body, he realizes unity with the universe.
Why should we have pride? Do we do anything on our own? Hindus believe that everything is but a facet of the Supreme Consciousness, what Christians call God. After we are dead, where will our pride go...
Why should we have pride? Do we do anything on our own? Hindus believe that everything is but a facet of the Supreme Consciousness, what Christians call God. After we are dead, where will our pride go...
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I'm a huge fan of pride, it is no exaggeration to claim it is my favorite deadly sin, even more than lust and gluttony, and my friends will tell you how much I love those.
I would claim that everyone should have as much pride as possible. Without it no one would be able to muster the supreme arrogance that it takes to believe that you are doing the right thing. Soldiers need it to believe in what they are doing, or they won't be able to kill, vegetarians need it, or else they would just be eating meat. Pro-life and pro-choice believers need it or else they might start to question their beliefs. Christians need it to believe in Jehovah, and Satanists need it to not believe in him. If someone doesn't have a huge dose of pride, they'll never have the arrogance to believe that the values they live by are the right ones.
Without intending to sound to terribly anti-christian, saying that this viewpoint is wrong because it contradicts what was written in some moldy old tome some 2000 years ago is about the most arrogant thing one can say, and that demonstrates a healthy dose of pride. Claiming that my viewpoint is correct, despite the fact that it violates some of the basic principles of at least four major religions, is also pretty damn arrogant. Without pride and it's brother, arrogance, the human race would be to busy trying to decide on the 'right' thing to do and would never have gotten anything of importance done for the past five thousand years.
I would claim that everyone should have as much pride as possible. Without it no one would be able to muster the supreme arrogance that it takes to believe that you are doing the right thing. Soldiers need it to believe in what they are doing, or they won't be able to kill, vegetarians need it, or else they would just be eating meat. Pro-life and pro-choice believers need it or else they might start to question their beliefs. Christians need it to believe in Jehovah, and Satanists need it to not believe in him. If someone doesn't have a huge dose of pride, they'll never have the arrogance to believe that the values they live by are the right ones.
Without intending to sound to terribly anti-christian, saying that this viewpoint is wrong because it contradicts what was written in some moldy old tome some 2000 years ago is about the most arrogant thing one can say, and that demonstrates a healthy dose of pride. Claiming that my viewpoint is correct, despite the fact that it violates some of the basic principles of at least four major religions, is also pretty damn arrogant. Without pride and it's brother, arrogance, the human race would be to busy trying to decide on the 'right' thing to do and would never have gotten anything of importance done for the past five thousand years.
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sandinmyears said:
Depends.
If it's the kind of pride that usurps the glory and authority due God, then it's a bad thing.
This is the kind of pride we see condemned in the Bible.
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TheOriginalWhitehorse
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sandinmyears said:
Yes-good scripture. Charles Spurgeon also said this: Pride is the sin that made devils of angels. And it has a lot of manifestations, too. Is envy a manifestation of pride, or the cause of it?
But I think there's another kind, the kind that seeks to produce excellence. But that should be for the Lord, not for self, so I wonder if that can really be considered pride. What do you think?
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I would agree that if a person "seeks to produce excellence...for the Lord" that this is not pride. Not the type of pride that is spoken against in the Bible. It is simply serving the Lord. It's the attitude, I suppose, that is the question here.Whitehorse said:
If I sing in church to edify the others in my congregation, and I happen to be a good singer, this is not pride. If I have an attitude about my singing though and start to get "puffy" about it, then my focus is wrong. (BTW, This is something I have struggled with in the past and still struggle with from time to time).
What about just plain liking things about myself, my family or my friends?
- If I have a good voice and enjoy singing, (knowing that others enjoy my singing), how does a person handle this without being prideful?
- If my daughter's volleyball team wins the state finals, is it wrong for me to be "proud" of her?
Are humility and pride always in disagreement with each other?
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I think that we are speaking about two different types of pride here. Having pride in your work product or being proud of a child taking his or her first steps would be good things. Having pride in terms of arrogence would be a bad thing.
I wonder if this isn't a case of the limiting effect of the English language--sort of like the way that the Bible has many different words for what we simply call love.
I wonder if this isn't a case of the limiting effect of the English language--sort of like the way that the Bible has many different words for what we simply call love.
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I think pride is difficult to define as either wholly good or wholly bad. Pride, since it is one of the seven sins, can certainly be bad. But is pride in recognized the strength of your faith bad? A question of degree, really. A man who recognizes his faith to be strong holds himself errect and ready to serve God. I would say that is good. But being proud so much that you put your own faith on a measuring stick with others' faith and try to prove yours better, that would be bad.
The Lord Jesus was proud to be the chosen Son of God. Who would not be? What kind of saviour would He have been if He could not be proud of His own faith? But Jesus also was humble in that he did not say he was the most important part of God, of which there is not one part more "important" than the other, all three being necessary.
That all having been said, pride is another thing to be taken in moderation, for gluttony is yet another sin.
The Lord Jesus was proud to be the chosen Son of God. Who would not be? What kind of saviour would He have been if He could not be proud of His own faith? But Jesus also was humble in that he did not say he was the most important part of God, of which there is not one part more "important" than the other, all three being necessary.
That all having been said, pride is another thing to be taken in moderation, for gluttony is yet another sin.
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