Is our sun still normal?

[Nabobalis]

No problem at all, thanks for conversing. It took Japan 3 months to admit one of the Fukishima reactors (3) was in meltdown. Still, they don't definitively say it is in meltdown. At least 3 of the 4 plants are in meltdown, or China Syndrome.

The US is downplaying the radioactive fallout over the country from the failed nuclear plant.
Harvard released the article on the Jovian mass 4 months ago; still nothing from the MSM (mainstream media.)

The radioactive fallout over the USA is minimal at best - most of the isotopes didn't have a long enough half life to cross the Pacific. Once again, read the paper, it tells you that the idea of a jovian mass is unlikely.

Truth is stranger than fiction. It is 100% likely we do not have an inventory of every sizable celestial body in our solar system. I can't link it, but search for "giant cloaked object" on YouTube. There are several bodies in our solar system, such as black dwarfs, that are near impossible to detect because they distort the electromagnetic fields that are used to detect them. .

Black dwarfs? That is a new one on me. Why is it called a black dwarf and how does it distort the EM fields and how is it normally detected?

These objects would have to be about 13 times the mass of Jupiter to be able to remotely call them a dwarf star. That is a very large object hiding so well, it should get a medal for it.

I am saying that it would be incredibly arrogant of us to assume the sun follows a set cycle, especially after only 12,000 years of study/supposed human existence. The sun is supposedly 10,000,000,000 years old, so a few thousand years to the sun is like a few days.

The solar cycle is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. What matters is events. Extrapolation of a pattern is just that. We may soon see a drastically different "solar cycle" for when a companion star is in our solar system. It is literally all relative.

The dwarf star is affecting out sun, though. There is no doubt.

Oh, there is much doubt.

 

[Nabobalis]

It's late here, help me out guys, am I really reading this or am I hallucinating?

Both

Basically what we have here is 2012 end of the world nonsense with a few words of "science" to make it sound like its real.

 

[Orogeny]

Epic poe is a poe.

 

[acropolis]

It's late here, help me out guys, am I really reading this or am I hallucinating?

He measured the change in radians so it's gotta be legit.

 

[juvenissun]

Well, just recently Harvard University has very apprehensively admitted that there is something wrong with the moon (published August 2011,) and that it is anomalous. Here is a snip of the abstract:

in particular, the general relativistic gravitomagnetic acceleration of the Moon due to the Earth’s angular momentum has the right order of magnitude,but the resulting Lense-Thirring secular effect for the eccentricity vanishes. A potentially viable Newtonian candidate would be a trans-Plutonian massive object (Planet X/Nemesis/Tyche) since it, actually, would affect e with a non-vanishing long-term variation. On the other hand, the values for the physical and orbital parameters of such a hypothetical body required to obtain at least the right order of magnitude for ? are completely unrealistic: suffices it to say that an Earth-sized planet would be at 30 au, while a jovian mass would be at 200 au.

Sorry for the noisy posts. Let's look at the problem again:

I do not understand what the "Lense-Thirring secular effect" is. And I am actually in deep fog on what the quote is talking about. Could you translate it with layman's term?

 

[Jazer]

This Wormwood is most likely a celestial object, the same that is causing our moon to act up.

The Earth and the moon have a wobble that is caused by the gravity of the other planets. That is why they have had to adjust the atomic clock three times in the last 10 years. The macro world is just not as precise as the micro world is.

 

[leftrightleftrightleft]

Oh my, no. The moon rises in the east, just as it has for years.

My bad. Fixed the typo...

 

[Nabobalis]

Sorry for the noisy posts. Let's look at the problem again:

I do not understand what the "Lense-Thirring secular effect" is. And I am actually in deep fog on what the quote is talking about. Could you translate it with layman's term?

In general relativity, Lense–Thirring precession or the Lense–Thirring effect (named after Josef Lense and Hans Thirring) is a relativistic correction to the precession of a gyroscope near a large rotating mass such as the Earth. It is a gravitomagnetic frame-dragging effect. According to a recent historical analysis by Pfister,[1] the effect should be renamed as Einstein-Thirring-Lense effect. It is a prediction of general relativity consisting of secular precessions of the longitude of the ascending node and the argument of pericenter of a test particle freely orbiting a central spinning mass endowed with angular momentum S.

Lense–Thirring precession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[juvenissun]

Lense–Thirring precession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OK. Then it said:

"in particular, the general relativistic gravitomagnetic acceleration of the Moon due to the Earth’s angular momentum has the right order of magnitude,but the resulting Lense-Thirring secular effect for the eccentricity vanishes."

What is vanished and how do we see the effect of this "vanishing"? Both earth and moon are rotating, then what is vanishing?

 

[Nabobalis]

OK. Then it said:

"in particular, the general relativistic gravitomagnetic acceleration of the Moon due to the Earth’s angular momentum has the right order of magnitude,but the resulting Lense-Thirring secular effect for the eccentricity vanishes."

What is vanished and how do we see the effect of this "vanishing"? Both earth and moon are rotating, then what is vanishing?

To me it means that the Lense-Thirring effect disappears and doesn't affect the eccentricity anymore, but I've not studied relativity in much detail.

 

[juvenissun]

To me it means that the Lense-Thirring effect disappears and doesn't affect the eccentricity anymore, but I've not studied relativity in much detail.

Do you believe that the Lense-Thirring effect between the moon and the earth is vanishing?

 

[Nabobalis]

Do you believe that the Lense-Thirring effect between the moon and the earth is vanishing?

Not a clue, I have a undergraduate understanding of GR and it didn't include that effect. Assuming that the paper is correct, then yes but I would ask someone who studies this for a living.

 

[Naraoia]

It is crazy. How come I do not hear anything about these in news report?

Because it's hogwash

This is the problem with "asking the experts". When you aren't an expert in a field, anything with big words might sound like an educated opinion at first glance. I started out thinking neutralino might actually know what they're talking about... but things like this 10-degree axis shift tipped me off even before everyone ganged up on them.

From what I know, such a shift would require something like a fairly big impact*, and it would completely mess up climate all over the world. I can guarantee you that people would have noticed. (Though we may not be alive to contemplate it...)

*Speaking of which, I'll throw out this random question: can we empirically assess how much of a change in axial tilt any of the great impacts in earth history caused? Or is calculation/modelling the only way to guess? (Intuitively, I'd guess that most of these weren't large enough to tilt the earth so much that it could be detected millions of years after the fact. Amirite?)

You really need to read that paper again - it shows no such thing and there is no evidence of a dwarf star in this solar system.

Except for a middle-aged yellow dwarf called Sol

 

[juvenissun]

Because it's hogwash

This is the problem with "asking the experts". When you aren't an expert in a field, anything with big words might sound like an educated opinion at first glance. I started out thinking neutralino might actually know what they're talking about... but things like this 10-degree axis shift tipped me off even before everyone ganged up on them.

From what I know, such a shift would require something like a fairly big impact*, and it would completely mess up climate all over the world. I can guarantee you that people would have noticed. (Though we may not be alive to contemplate it...)

*Speaking of which, I'll throw out this random question: can we empirically assess how much of a change in axial tilt any of the great impacts in earth history caused? Or is calculation/modelling the only way to guess? (Intuitively, I'd guess that most of these weren't large enough to tilt the earth so much that it could be detected millions of years after the fact. Amirite?)

Except for a middle-aged yellow dwarf called Sol

My guess is that if the earth were "quietly" tilted 10 more degrees, we probably will feel it. May be the day/night time duration would be significantly different.

I am not afraid of being cheated by any so-called expert on anything. You do not take their answer as granted. You need to digest what they said according to your own system and ask questions. Fake expert of not would be very easy to tell in a few exchanges. You could even set up a trap to let the fake one to fall in.

 

[Naraoia]

I am not afraid of being cheated by any so-called expert on anything. You do not take their answer as granted. You need to digest what they said according to your own system and ask questions. Fake expert of not would be very easy to tell in a few exchanges. You could even set up a trap to let the fake one to fall in.

Ahh, but you can only trap someone if you know what you're talking about

 

[juvenissun]

Ahh, but you can only trap someone if you know what you're talking about

neutralino7 seems go away. I am sorry that he got trashy responses from some people. I wish he could come back to answer my question.

 

[Nabobalis]

neutralino7 seems go away. I am sorry that he got trashy responses from some people. I wish he could come back to answer my question.

Some of the things he wrote are blatantly false whether he knows it or not.