Is 'once saved always saved' a biblical teaching?

d taylor said:

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Born of water is a person's physical birth.
Born of Spirit is a person's spiritual birth, which happens when the person believes in Jesus for Eternal Life.

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And you will provide a verse that we are Born of WATER. is a persons PHYSICAL. BIRTH. ?? REALLY. ??

dan p

Dan Perez said:

And you will provide a verse that we are Born of WATER. is a persons PHYSICAL. BIRTH. ?? REALLY. ??

dan p

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Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
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That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Spiritual Jew said:

If all are born lost then why did Jesus say that none that were given Him (referring to the twelve disciples) were lost except one, the son of perdition? You are obviously taking John 17:12 out of context. Based on what you said here, Jesus should have said all of them were lost, not one, but He clearly wasn't talking in the context that you're talking about here.

While we are all born with a sinful nature that will eventually manifest itself when we begin to sin, we do not sin right from birth. If we were objects of His wrath even from birth, that would be complete nonsense. What has a baby done to deserve God's wrath? Absolutely nothing. You are defying all logic with your belief. If God's wrath is on us even from birth, then what do you make of this...

Matthew 19:13 Then little children were brought to Him that He might put His hands on them and pray, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”

What do you think, that Jesus was saying that the kingdom of heaven was made up of such as those little children of wrath? Of course He was not saying that, but the way you falsely interpret Ephesians 2:3 would lead to that conclusion.

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AND one GOOD REASON is because. John 17:12 and Matt 19:13 Are and NOT SPEAKING. to the Body of Christ. !!

dan p

Clare73 said:

Contraire. . .the Holy Spirit worked in Saul. . .but he remained a reprobate.

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Sure would like TO. KNOW WHICH. Saul you mean. !!

dan p

Dan Perez said:

Sure would like TO. KNOW WHICH. Saul you mean. !!

dan p

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The Saul of the OT.

d taylor said:

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Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
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That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

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And. the earth is round and read ISA 40:22 and. PSALM 147:4. and when. rockets go up. and take pictures the earth is ROUND !!

AND my wife has seen our children born , but never twice. ??

So how is anyone born on. the SPIRIT with a verse ??

And only. God can. in DO IN VERSE 36:26 and 27. DO. THAT !!

That was Israel and NOT GENTILES and read Gal 6:15. and you need help , will be glad to. explain. Gal 6:15. ??

dan p

OSAS is only found in Pauline epistles, so its part of the revelation of the mystery to the Body of Christ.

So a person believes in Jesus for Eternal Life and God gives that person The Life of God. So how is that undone by the person.
Even if they over time come to not believe, it still does not change the fact that at one point in their life they did believe.

But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.
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These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness; and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble.
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But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.

d taylor said:

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So a person believes in Jesus for Eternal Life and God gives that person The Life of God. So how is that undone by the person.
Even if they over time come to not believe, it still does not change the fact that at one point in their life they did believe.

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It was a counterfeit faith (Mt 7:22-23), they did not, in fact, receive the life of God.

Guojing said:

OSAS is only found in Pauline epistles, so its part of the revelation of the mystery to the Body of Christ.

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not there either, if you want try me for my interpreting skills

Dan Perez said:

AND one GOOD REASON is because. John 17:12 and Matt 19:13 Are and NOT SPEAKING. to the Body of Christ. !!

dan p

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Little children believe in Christ, which little children do you think do not.

All are body of Christ, if you think not, I may just push your opinion to zero, if I feel like it.

Don't forget Jesus gave a strong warning not to offend one of those little ones that believe in Him, one such little one may be able to prove the word of belief, even have no difficulty at all in doing so and leave the difficulty on the offender, and let a certain stone grind that one to powder, being a Rock of offence.

Abraham1st said:

not there either, if you want try me for my interpreting skills

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OSAS - Jn 6:39-40.

Clare73 said:

It was a counterfeit faith (Mt 7:22-23), they did not, in fact, receive the life of God.

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That is not a counterfeit faith, it is just a confused one, there is confusion from satan, but when things are clarified, satan flees and confusion is replaced by clarity.


Strife and envy are evidence of EVERY EVIL WORK ( to be of satan.)



James 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Abraham1st said:

That is not a counterfeit faith, it is just a confused one, there is confusion from satan, but when things are clarified, satan flees and confusion is replaced by clarity.

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Only the faith of the Holy Spirit's sovereign (Jn 3:6-8) regeneration (Jn 3:3-5) is genuine saving faith.

Everything else is counterfeit faith.

Clare73 said:

OSAS - Jn 6:39-40.

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good clare, you took the bait.

Here are my interpretating abilities as i said to you. ( you must be gujong too)

The will of the Father is that everyone that sees, believes, but not all see and believe. ( John 6:36.)

Jesus did say all the Father gives comes to Him, and that He will not cast them out.

They may have everlasting life, if they believe, do you see more there, with some special eyesight that I don't seem to have clare...




John 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.




Continuing on from John 6 as clare quoted, we have Romans 10, of them not obeying the Gospel, and that faith comes by HEARING, and hearing by THE WORD OF GOD.



Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.



Here is the key parts, satan and friends give all LYING wonders.

Speaking and showing ALL DECEIT IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, that is those who PERISH. (THEY WONT PERISH IF THE HEAR THE WOD AND BELIEVE.)

God sends them strong delusion to BELIEVE IN THESE LIES.

They are DAMNED FOR NOT BELIEVING THE TRUTH, and that is HAVING PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. ( not faith and the PLEASURES OF SIN FOR A SEASON.)

But the beloved of the Lord do this, they SEEK SALVATION THROUGH SANCTIFICATION OF THE SIRIT AND BELIEF OF THE TRUTH, CALLED BY THE GOSPEL/ (FAITH COMES BY HEARING AND HEARITNG BY THE WORD OF GOD.)



John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

Clare73 said:

Only the faith of the Holy Spirit's sovereign (Jn 3:6-8) regeneration (Jn 3:3-5) is genuine saving faith.

Everything else is counterfeit faith.

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No such thing as counterfeit, but there is the confusion by the devil which is against the simplicity of Christ.


To receive that born again you have to loo further back, and see it is to be given power to BECOME THE SONS OF GOD.

If you want me to interpret, that is power to not deny but to do as required.

So your words are not aligned with the Gospel, the correct phrasing is a form of godliness, not counterfeit, you words are then maybe counterfeit, unless you can show something that speaks ass you do ?



John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

How long do I have to wait for those quick small answers, I am here and trying to show my interpreting skills, don't you want any more for now.

Abraham1st said:

good clare, you took the bait.

Here are my interpretating abilities as i said to you.

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Are you sure about that?

Abraham1st said:

( you must be gujong too)

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As much as you are. . .

Abraham1st said:

The will of the Father is that everyone that sees, believes

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But it is not his will that everyone see, only that those who do see will believe.

Abraham1st said:

but not all see and believe. ( John 6:36.)

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Because it is not his will that all will see, only that those who do see will believe.

Abraham1st said:

Jesus did say all the Father gives comes to Him, and that He will not cast them out.

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And that excludes those whom the Father did not give him and, therefore, who do not see.

Abraham1st said:

They may have everlasting life, if they believe, do you see more there, with some special eyesight that I don't seem to have clare...

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The only ones who have everlasting life are the ones who are able to see and then believe.

Abraham1st said:

John 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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No, but it depends on what we understand salvation to be. If we recognize that salvation is continuing to abide in Jesus, then we may forfeit our salvation if we choose to walk away. If, on the other hand, we merely take it to be an act of divine bookkeeping, then it would seem likely that it must be true because God has predicated salvation on a confession of faith and is faithful to His promises.

Clare73 said:

But it is not his will that everyone see, only that those who do see will believe.

Because it is not his will that all will see, only that those who do see will believe.

And that excludes those whom the Father did not give him and, therefore, who do not see.

The only ones who have everlasting life are the ones who are able to see and then believe.

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It is the will that all be saved.

It must NOT BE YOURS CLARE OR WHOEVER YOU ARE.


2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.