Is Observing the 7th day Sabbath a Requirement for Salvation?

[BobRyan]

bobryan,

1. Verse 8; the word Sabbath is talking about the Jewish sabbath.

You made that up -- and we both know it.

By contrast Christ said "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
And in Isaiah 56:1-8 we have gentiles specifically singled out and blessed for Bible-Sabbath keeping.
And of course for all eternity "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

2. The seventh day is the Jewish sabbath.

You made that up -- and we both know it.

bobryan,

1. I didn't make nothing up but you are misunderstanding what I said.

Well.. you made it up "in real life" and we both know that you have no "The Jewish Sabbath" as a statement from God in the Bible. You are "quoting you" for that term. We both know it.

By contrast Christ said "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
And in Isaiah 56:1-8 we have gentiles specifically singled out and blessed for Bible-Sabbath keeping.
And of course for all eternity "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23

3. Verse 11 the seventh day (creation) was the Day God rested.

True - and vs 11 of Exodus 20 is in the Sabbath Commandment God created "for mankind".

It is the one that Isaiah knew about.
"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23

4. Jesus said the sabbath was made for man.

True - he said that to Jews in Mark 2:27. And they knew exactly what the Sabbath commandment is.

Context matters.

The seventh day is never referenced as or stated as the sabbath

until you read the actual Bible.

Exodus 20:8-11 says it.

Jesus' hearers knew it in Mark 2:27 -- they were all Jews.

Acts 17:1-4 - they all knew it was the 7th day Sabbath. and you and I both know it.
Acts 18:4 - they all knew it was the 7th day Sabbath. and you and i both know it.
Acts 13:41-42 - they all knew it was the 7th day Sabbath. and you and i both know it.

6. I already gave you the reason the sabbath is not moral

And I already gave you James 2 showing that it is -- so also does Eph 6:2 make that case for all TEN of the TEN Commandments.

Even your own pro-Sunday scholars admit to this Bible detail!

It just doesn't "get" any easier than this!!

and gave you or east coast remnant or sabbathkeeper&wife the scriptures on the sabbath being violated and no one being punished

The Jews often accused Christ of Sabbath breaking - shall we join them in that accusation?

I say --no.

7. Isaiah 66:23 is in the future for Israel will be at the head of the nations

Isaiah 66:22-23 says it is specific to the New Earth - for all eternity - the same Sabbath known to Isaiah - for all mankind, for all eternity,

8. Colossians 2:16 shows the new moons, holy days and sabbath days being a shadow right now

Shadow Sabbaths are mentioned in Lev 23 the annual Sabbaths that were observed in animal sacrifices given as shadows pointing to the death of Christ.

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2. Genesis 2:2 always uses the word "seventh day".
This doesn't mean that it's not a sabbath but it was a sabbath for God resting from his work of creation not rest for man.

There is not "Sabbath not for man" in all of scripture - and we both know it.

you made that up.

By contrast we have the Bible fact that the Sabbath was "MADE for mankind".

We prefer the Bible to the alternative of "simply quoting you" for such statements. And I think we both know that as well.

3. Exodus 16:23,25, the sabbath was before the giving of the the Ten Commandments.
Verse 26 says the seventh day is the sabbath.

True - you find the same thing in Genesis 2:1-3 -- says that this is WHEN it was made a Holy Day - and confirmed in Exodus 20:11 again pointing to Genesis 2:1-3 saying "THEREFORE" the Lord Made it a Holy Day - because HE rested on it. Because it is the 7th day of creation week.

Irrefutable.

Inescapable.

Even your own pro-Sunday scholars admit to this.

It just does not get any easier than this!

The reason is found in Deuteronomy 5:15: And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt,

Exodus 16 -- 40 years earlier than Deut 5 does not say that the reason for the Sabbath commandment is given in Deut 5.

What is more - in Exodus 20:11 God Himself gives us the reason for the Sabbath commandment - in Exodus 20:11 -- 40 years before Deut 5.

and of course Exodus 20:1-2 tells us that the SAME thing as Deut 5 - as a preface to "Do not take God's name in vain" -- and we both know it.

That does not delete the command "do not take God's name in vain" and we both know it.

4. The sabbath is not a moral law.

You just made that up. Even your own pro-Sunday scholars know enough to refute that man-made-speculation.

It is the only commandment that had a typical meaning and is natural that it cease in the new covenant

You just made that up - since we all know that the NEW Covenant is given in Jeremiah 31:31-33 and the LAW of God "written on the heart and mind" is the one that Jeremiah knew about - that includes the TEN Commandments.

And we all know it. In fact even your own pro-sunday scholars admit to this Bible fact.

It just does not get any easier than this.

you lose this argument to your own pro-sunday scholars. how much more to Bible-Sabbath accepting Christians here on this board.

This is incredibly obvious.

eastcoastremnant,

1. It wasn't about God needing rest but he was the one who rested.
Can you show me where Adam and Eve rested or observed the sabbath?

Marriage ceremony before the flood?
Genesis 2-25 God made woman for man and came from his rib to be bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh.
Adam and Eve were told to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it and have dominion over all creation etc. Genesis 1:28.People before the flood took wives. Ceremony? Who knows? A covenant would be more likely which would have a ceremony of some kind.

2. There is nothing said about man sanctifying the seventh day at creation.

3. Cain was under the law of conscience.
Cain was made because God respected Abel's sacrifice and not his.
God gave him a chance to make it right and Cain refused so Cain was not ignorant
when he killed Abel.

4. The sabbath was mentioned before Mt. Sinai (Exodus 16:23,25,26,29).

5. Israel is the Jewish nation. It's capitol is Tel Aviv today and will eventually become Jerusalem.
Your spiritual Jew theory is flawed and is a part of your replacement theory of the church taking its place in the KoH reign.

6. Genesis uses the word seventh day not the sabbath.
Rest meaning shabath is the sabbath and I never disagreed with.
The creation Seventh day or sabbath was because God rested not man. Nowhere does it say that man rested in creation because of the sabbath.
Exodus 16 shows that the seventh day of creation was the sabbath for man under the law. This is why it says in verse 29; so the people rested on the seventh day.
If the creation Seventh day was sabbath for men then the word sabbath would have been used in Exodus 16:29 under the law of Moses.
Exodus 20:8 the seventh day of creation was the sabbath in conjunction with man because in it they were not to do any work, nor thy son, daughter, etc.
At creation Adam and Eve had not started a family.

7. The seventh day as sabbath was typical of the future commandment in the Old covenant for the Jewish nation to rest and because it was a memorial from Egyptian bondage Deuteronomy 5:15.
The seventh day being a sabbath at creation was also typical of the future rest of salvation of Christ.
The resurrection was a fulfillment of types and shadows of the eighth day of new beginnings and the feast days were forever in connection with Israel and its governmental theocracy which will be the KoH reign in the millennial kingdom.
Hosea 6:2; says Israel would be revived after two days and would be raised up on the third day. This ties in with the eighth day and new beginnings and would make more sense for the sabbath to be on Sunday than Saturday. It remains to be seen but is possible.
Now Messianic Jews understand the church is not under the Jewish sabbath for it was a part of their culture not the Gentiles.
But you would rather listen to EllenWhite?
Listen to the truth of the scripture. Jerry kelso

That does not work at all - -and here is why

Interesting that you will admit to that --

Mark 2:27 speaks to the "making of both" and they are both made in the Genesis 1:-2:3 creation event that Exodus 20:11 explicitly points to as the "WHEN" of the Sabbath being made... being made holy... being sanctified... and that is THE Reason for it - as given in the actual TEN Commandments spoken by God - written by God.... and we BOTH know it.

So also do your own pro-Sunday scholars know it.

It just does not get any easier than this.

That is an example of an idea that needs to be considered

bobryan,

1. Verse 8; the word Sabbath is talking about the Jewish sabbath.

You made that up -- and we both know it.

By contrast Christ said "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
And in Isaiah 56:1-8 we have gentiles specifically singled out and blessed for Bible-Sabbath keeping.
And of course for all eternity "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

2. The seventh day is the Jewish sabbath.

You made that up -- and we both know it.

bobryan,

1. I didn't make nothing up but you are misunderstanding what I said.

Well.. you made it up "in real life" and we both know that you have no "The Jewish Sabbath" as a statement from God in the Bible. You are "quoting you" for that term. We both know it.

By contrast Christ said "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
And in Isaiah 56:1-8 we have gentiles specifically singled out and blessed for Bible-Sabbath keeping.
And of course for all eternity "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23

Now Messianic Jews understand the church is not under the Jewish sabbath for it was a part of their culture not the Gentiles.
But you would rather listen to EllenWhite?
Listen to the truth of the scripture. Jerry kelso

Your view that those Bible texts come from Ellen White or that non-Christian Jews are the authority on the Gospel - are ideas we don't agree with.

I think we both know that.

What is more - non-Christian Jews know about Isaiah 56:1-8 just when you seem to have hoped they would be totally unaware of it.

 

[Guide To The Bible]

Not the subject of this thread - as I said before. But if you want to start a thread on that topic - go ahead.

Hint: the Jews existed before 45 BC and the Romans admit to the Jews keeping Sabbath when they attacked Jerusalem. lots of historic facts for you - when you start that "other" thread where this would actually be on topic - and not a violation of the CF rules against derailing threads.

Sorry if you think it's off topic but it is relevant to anyone who wants to observe the Sabbath, whether they think it's a requirement for salvation or even if they don't, after all it says to remember the Sabbath but the correct Sabbath day has been virtually forgotten, without knowing when the Sabbath is, surely one cannot keep the Sabbath?

 

[Dave-W]

Well.. you made it up "in real life" and we both know that you have no "The Jewish Sabbath" as a statement from God in the Bible. You are "quoting you" for that term. We both know it.

Ex 31.16 So the sons of Israel [Jews] shall observe the Sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.’ 17 It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel [Jews] forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.

By contrast Christ said "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
And in Isaiah 56:1-8 we have gentiles specifically singled out and blessed for Bible-Sabbath keeping.
And of course for all eternity "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23

WHY??? To make the Jews jealous:

Rom 11.11 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their [Jews] transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous. 12 Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be!

 

[jerry kelso]

And HE is the one that said - His action "alone" makes it obligatory for mankind.

The Sabbath - when made - was MADE for mankind Mark 2:27 and the Sabbath is MADE a holy day in Genesis 2:1-3 as God reminds us in Exodus 20:11.

A Bible detail - so incredibly obvious -- even your own pro-Sunday scholars admit to the Sabbath Commandment in Eden.

It just does not get any easier than this.

Why nothing easier than this? you ask? because there ARE areas where you and your pro-sunday scholars would reject certain Bible details that are fully accepted by Bible Sabbath affirming Christians - but you have chosen to fall on your sword on an extreme non-Bible idea that even your own pro-Sunday scholars knows is straw/hay/stubble that will not hold up to sola scriptura review.

And HE is the one that said - His action "alone" makes it obligatory for mankind.

The Sabbath - when made - was MADE for mankind Mark 2:27 and the Sabbath is MADE a holy day in Genesis 2:1-3 as God reminds us in Exodus 20:11.

A Bible detail - so incredibly obvious -- even your own pro-Sunday scholars admit to the Sabbath Commandment in Eden.

It just does not get any easier than this.

Why nothing easier than this? you ask? because there ARE areas where you and your pro-sunday scholars would reject certain Bible details that are fully accepted by Bible Sabbath affirming Christians - but you have chosen to fall on your sword on an extreme non-Bible idea that even your own pro-Sunday scholars knows is straw/hay/stubble that will not hold up to sola scriptura review.

bobryan,

1. Mark 2:27 does not say for mankind and the Gentiles at that time did not celebrate the sabbath.
The only Gentiles celebrating sabbath would have been prosecutes into Judaism.

2. Genesis 2:1-3: Thus the Heavens and the earth were finished and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it; because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
On the seventh day God rested from his work not man.
This means that the seventh day became a type of the future commandment contained in the Mosaic law.
The sabbath in the Jewish covenant was made forever for perpetual generations.
Israel is backslidden right now and out of covenant and this is why it is a shadow to come Colossians 2:16.
The word "perpetual" shows this.

3. Hebrews 4:1-11;
We had a promise of entering God's rest. Israel as a nation rejected rest in Christ because it wasn't mixed with faith.
Works of salvation were done from the foundation of the world.
This is why God said on the seventh day, that God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
This shows that God resting from his works of creation were typical and a shadow to the reality of the cross which was future from creation.

4. Observing the sabbath didn't get the Jews into the rest of the cross who rejected Christ.
Verse 7 says; Again he limited a certain day, saying in David, today after so long a time; as it is said, today if yes will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
verse 8; for if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Limited a certain day would be the Jewish sabbath and another day is the resurrection which is our day of rest.
Because God rested from his works we can enter our rest through salvation and cease from our works.
Verse 11; let us lab our therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

5. It was because God rested that he gave the Jews a sabbath to observe and the church a sabbath to be saved.
Because of the Jews backslidden state shows that perpetual generations is the generations they obey.
This is why the Jewish sabbath is a shadow to come right now in the church age.
Because Israel will be at head of the nations and their history and connection to a theocratical government their will be sabbaths and most likely will be on resurrection day. No matter what day everything will be a memorial.
Creation's sabbath for man was typical and not reality at creation. This is why you are wrong about your basis of the sabbath for man at creation being a reality happening then.
Can you show me a scripture that says Adam and Eve rested from their works?
Can you show a scripture that says because Adam and Eve rested from their works we can rest from our works by salvation?
The scripture says it was because God rested that the sabbath was given to the Jews and rest through salvation.
Your doctrine is not scriptural. Jerry kelso

 

[BobRyan]

Ex 31.16 So the sons of Israel [Jews] shall observe the Sabbath,

"ALL MANKIND" shall come before Me to worship - from Sabbath to Sabbath -- Isaiah 66:23

"The Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27

Isaiah 56:1-8 Gentiles specifically singled out and blessed for obeying God's Bible Sabbath.

Even your own pro-Sunday scholars admit to this Bible detail.

It just does not get any easier than this.

 

[BobRyan]

bobryan,
1. Mark 2:27 does not say for mankind

Yes it does.

Also 'mankind does not live by bread alone - but by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God" Matthew 4.

It just does not get any easier than this.

 

[BobRyan]

2. Genesis 2:1-3: Thus the Heavens and the earth were finished and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

True -

3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

On the seventh day God rested from his work not man.

You just made that up.

God says His Genesis 2:1-3 act - obligates man... see Exodus 20:11

By contrast Christ said "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
And in Isaiah 56:1-8 we have gentiles specifically singled out and blessed for Bible-Sabbath keeping.
And of course for all eternity "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

Exodus 20:8-11 says it the Sabbath was made for mankind in Genesis 2:1-3.

Jesus' hearers knew it in Mark 2:27 -- they were all Jews.

Acts 17:1-4 - they all knew it was the 7th day Sabbath. and you and I both know it.
Acts 18:4 - they all knew it was the 7th day Sabbath. and you and i both know it.
Acts 13:41-42 - they all knew it was the 7th day Sabbath. and you and i both know it.


Exodus 16 -- 40 years earlier than Deut 5 does not say that the reason for the Sabbath commandment is given in Deut 5.

What is more - in Exodus 20:11 God Himself gives us the reason for the Sabbath commandment - in Exodus 20:11 -- 40 years before Deut 5.

and of course Exodus 20:1-2 tells us that the SAME thing as Deut 5 - as a preface to "Do not take God's name in vain" -- and we both know it.

the NEW Covenant is given in Jeremiah 31:31-33 and the LAW of God "written on the heart and mind" is the one that Jeremiah knew about - that includes the TEN Commandments.

And we all know it. In fact even your own pro-sunday scholars admit to this Bible fact.

It just does not get any easier than this.

you lose this argument to your own pro-sunday scholars. how much more to Bible-Sabbath accepting Christians here on this board.

This is incredibly obvious.

Genesis 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

By contrast Christ said "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27

Isaiah 56:1-8 we have gentiles specifically singled out and blessed for Bible-Sabbath keeping.

And of course for all eternity "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

 

[BobRyan]

Can you show me a scripture that says Adam and Eve rested from their works?
Can you show a scripture that says because Adam and Eve rested from their works we can rest from our works by salvation?

Can you show me a text that say Adam is God and because Adam told us to do something or because Adam sanctified something and made it holy - we are obligated?

Can you show me a text where Moses claims God lied in Exodus 20:11 when HE said the Genesis 2:1-3 act of God alone -makes it obligatory for all mankind?

Can you show me a text that says that Adam ate breakfast?

Can you show me a text that says that Adam washed his clothes? Or that Adam knew he was not supposed to take God's name in vain... or that God was keeping the 7 day week a secret from Adam???

How nice - that even your own pro-sunday scholars know enough to not go down the short-lived rabbit trail proposed by certain Bible-sabbath-denying groups.

It just does not get any easier than this.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

WHY??? To make the Jews jealous:

Well no text in all of the Bible says that Gentiles are to keep the Sabbath to make "Jews jealous" certainly not Romans 11 and not Isaiah 56:1-8 and not Isaiah 66:23 saying that in the NEW Earth all mankind comes before God to worship "From Sabbath to Sabbath"

 

[jerry kelso]

True -

3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.



You just made that up.

God says His Genesis 2:1-3 act - obligates man... see Exodus 20:11



Genesis 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

By contrast Christ said "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27

Isaiah 56:1-8 we have gentiles specifically singled out and blessed for Bible-Sabbath keeping.

And of course for all eternity "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

bobryan,

1. You didn't prove one thing that I said according to the scripture. All you did was disagree.

2. Fact 1: The word sabbath is never used in Genesis at all.

Fact 2: Exodus 20:8 Remember to keep the sabbath and the seventh day is the sabbath is speaking of the law given at Mt. Sinai for man to rest and their cattle etc. There was no such commandment given at creation.

Fact 3: the reason for the seventh day being Sabbath for man at Mt. Sinai is because God did his work in 6 days and rested on the seventh day at creation.

Fact 4: the Sabbath day made Holy is in direct reference to the commandment given at Mt. Sinai not at creation.

Fact 5. Mark 2:27; sabbath for man under the age of the Mosaic law directly in the context with the example of David and his men who were in need. For mankind it would be the future rest of salvation at the cross.
God is more interested in our heart than legalism.

Fact 6: Isaiah 66:23 is in the future kingdom.
I already explained about the program with Israel and God's theocracy on earth, perpetual generations and being backslidden and why the sabbath in connection with the Jews is a shadow in the church age and will be established in the coming kingdom.
You have no answer to debunk what the scripture says and means that I have given and explained to you. All you can do is give your pat answers that don't answer to the truth.
You spin and ignore and run away from the truth.
Have some integrity and believe the real truth. Jerry kelso

 

[BobRyan]

2. Genesis 2:1-3: Thus the Heavens and the earth were finished and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

True -

3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

On the seventh day God rested from his work not man.

You just made that up.

God says His Genesis 2:1-3 act - obligates man... see Exodus 20:11

By contrast Christ said "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
And in Isaiah 56:1-8 we have gentiles specifically singled out and blessed for Bible-Sabbath keeping.
And of course for all eternity "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

Exodus 20:8-11 says it the Sabbath was made for mankind in Genesis 2:1-3.

Jesus' hearers knew it in Mark 2:27 -- they were all Jews.

Acts 17:1-4 - they all knew it was the 7th day Sabbath. and you and I both know it.
Acts 18:4 - they all knew it was the 7th day Sabbath. and you and i both know it.
Acts 13:41-42 - they all knew it was the 7th day Sabbath. and you and i both know it.


Exodus 16 -- 40 years earlier than Deut 5 does not say that the reason for the Sabbath commandment is given in Deut 5.

What is more - in Exodus 20:11 God Himself gives us the reason for the Sabbath commandment - in Exodus 20:11 -- 40 years before Deut 5.

and of course Exodus 20:1-2 tells us that the SAME thing as Deut 5 - as a preface to "Do not take God's name in vain" -- and we both know it.

the NEW Covenant is given in Jeremiah 31:31-33 and the LAW of God "written on the heart and mind" is the one that Jeremiah knew about - that includes the TEN Commandments.

And we all know it. In fact even your own pro-sunday scholars admit to this Bible fact.

It just does not get any easier than this.

you lose this argument to your own pro-sunday scholars. how much more to Bible-Sabbath accepting Christians here on this board.

This is incredibly obvious.

Genesis 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

By contrast Christ said "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27

Isaiah 56:1-8 we have gentiles specifically singled out and blessed for Bible-Sabbath keeping.

And of course for all eternity "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

bobryan,

1. You didn't prove one thing that I said according to the scripture. All you did was disagree.

You have free will - and you are of course welcome to turn a blind eye to all the evidence in favor of God's Bible Sabbath and the vacuous nature of your own "arguments from the void" of what the Bible does not say.

The is an SDA forum area - you present an argument against God's statement in Exodus 20:11 about Genesis 2 -- that even our own pro-Sunday scholars reject -- so then were WE supposed to side with your wild speculation at that point?

2. Fact 1: The word sabbath is never used in Genesis at all.

Fact 1 there is no reference at all in the book of Genesis to "do not take God's name in vain" - and we all know it.

Even your own pro-Sunday scholars admit "this proves nothing" against that commandment just as your "argument from the void" of what the text does not say - does not support your own claims against God's Bible Sabbath - to the direct contradiction of God's own statement on the Genesis 2 matter found in Exodus 20:11.

I am going with the Word of God - over your wild speculation "from the void" that even your own pro-Sunday scholars flatly reject.

Please be serious.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Shibolet]

Is Observing the Sabbath a Requirement for Salvation?

No, it is not. Salvation of what, of the consequences of having transgressed the Law? The Sabbath was giving to Israel as a sign between HaShem and Israel that they might know that HaShem is the Lord Who sanctify them.
(Ezekiel 20:12,20) Now, the Gentiles who choose to join God's Covenant with His People by keeping the Sabbath holy will have a better name than sons and daughters. (Isaiah 56:1-8)

 

[BobRyan]

No, it is not. Salvation of what, of the consequences of having transgressed the Law?

And the TEN commandments of Exodus 20 are most certainly part of the Law of God.

Thus "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23 not "just Jews".

Thus in Isaiah 56:1-8 it is GENTILES that are specifically blessed for Sabbath keeping.

Thus in Mark 7:6-13 Christ flat out condemns the efforts of some religionists in His day to tweek/bend/edit one of the TEN Commandments.

(Ezekiel 20:12,20) Now, the Gentiles who choose to join God's Covenant with His People by keeping the Sabbath holy will have a better name than sons and daughters. (Isaiah 56:1-8)

True - but there is no blessing at all on Gentiles for breaking God's Ten commandments... not even for breaking the Sabbath "as it is stated in the actual Bible" - Tanakh

 

[jerry kelso]

True -

3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.



You just made that up.

God says His Genesis 2:1-3 act - obligates man... see Exodus 20:11



Genesis 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

By contrast Christ said "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27

Isaiah 56:1-8 we have gentiles specifically singled out and blessed for Bible-Sabbath keeping.

And of course for all eternity "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23




You have free will - and you are of course welcome to turn a blind eye to all the evidence in favor of God's Bible Sabbath and the vacuous nature of your own "arguments from the void" of what the Bible does not say.

The is an SDA forum area - you present an argument against God's statement in Exodus 20:11 about Genesis 2 -- that even our own pro-Sunday scholars reject -- so then were WE supposed to side with your wild speculation at that point?




Fact 1 there is no reference at all in the book of Genesis to "do not take God's name in vain" - and we all know it.

Even your own pro-Sunday scholars admit "this proves nothing" against that commandment just as your "argument from the void" of what the text does not say - does not support your own claims against God's Bible Sabbath - to the direct contradiction of God's own statement on the Genesis 2 matter found in Exodus 20:11.

I am going with the Word of God - over your wild speculation "from the void" that even your own pro-Sunday scholars flatly reject.

Please be serious.

in Christ,

Bob

bobryan,

1. I didn't make up about God resting from his work and not man because there is no scripture that says that.
Your obligation of Genesis 2:1-3 And Exodus 20:8 is what you are making up.
The seventh day being sabbath is because of God resting. Since man was not commanded to rest at creation the creation Seventh day as the sabbath is typical. This is what you refuse to believe and why you don't understand why God used the term Seventh day term in Genesis and Exodus to understand when the sabbath day was given to man. It plainly says in Exodus 16 that it was given to men. You are wrong.

2. Repeating the same scriptures doesn't support your position and why you can't rebut the real truth.

3. I don't know what Sunday scholars you are talking about or what you think they say or do say, but it doesn't matter because truth is truth.

4. Your position is wrong and why you stay blind and you are into respect of persons with your train of thought on the pro Sunday scholars and your denominational doctrine.

5. Your fact 1 is a weak argument.
To say the opposite of not taking the Lord's name in vain would be a contradiction.
To say the sabbath was because of giving rest to man is not said or implied anywhere in Genesis 2:1-3.
It is specific to God resting from his work. If it was given to man at creation it would have been said.
Your argument of silence is a straw man and a bunch of baloney.

6. The creation Seventh day which is sabbath was made for man concerning rest and is typical because of not being given to man at that time.
It was typical and a type for the Old Testament Jewish sabbath and the new covenant rest in Christ death and resurrection and will be for all mankind in the future KoH with Israel as the head of the nations.
Jewish sabbath was for Jews only for perpetual generations. They are backslidden today and that is why mankind does not observe the sabbath.
The Jewish sabbath seventh day only is not a commandment for the church for no man is supposed to esteem one day above others Roman's 14:5&6; Galatians 4:10 & Colossians 2:16. You are wrong again. Jerry kelso

 

[BobRyan]

bobryan,

1. I didn't make up about God resting from his work

Indeed you did not make that part of it up.

You made up the rest of it.

and not man because there is no scripture that says that.

Totally false and even your own pro-Sunday scholars admit to that.

And there is scripture saying that when the Sabbath was MADE it was made for MANKIND. Mark 2:27

What is more there is NO text in Genesis saying "do not take God's name in vain" -- and we both know it. So also do your own pro-Sunday scholars know it. And so also do they NOT use such fluff/hay/straw argument against the command not to take God's name in vain or against God's Creation week Sabbath.

We all can see this glaringly obvious Bible fact. Even your own pro-Sunday scholars see it.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"?

Please be serious.

 

[BobRyan]

Since man was not commanded to rest at creation the creation Seventh day as the sabbath is typical.

you just made that up.

2. Repeating the same scriptures doesn't support your position and why you can't rebut the real truth.

Your own pro-Sunday scholars agree with the scriptures I am quoting and totally refute your wild speculation each time you make that stuff up.

Notice - I am not saying "SDAs don't agree with you" I am saying your OWN pro-Sunday scholars admit your position does not hold Bible truth in it.

Even THEY know it is nonsense! Why not offer a position that at the very least - your own sunday-scholars will entertain as possibly being true????

 

[BobRyan]

You are not dealing with these texts - you merely ignore them to remind us of your own story inventing the idea that Adam was "not commanded" on things like "not taking God's name in vain" or "Keeping the Sabbath" since it is not written in Genesis.

Already fully debunked by the fact that there is no distinction between clean and unclean animals "written" in the Genesis record yet Noah is told to take the clean animals in the ark by pairs of 7.

Incredibly obvious even to your own pro-Sunday scholars that Adam was not to take God's name in vain and was to obey the sanctified/made-holy Sabbath day in Genesis just as Exodus 20:11 "reminds us" -- even though the book of Genesis is not an account of every word spoken for 2000 years of history.

 

[BobRyan]

Fact 1 there is no reference at all in the book of Genesis to "do not take God's name in vain" - and we all know it.

Even your own pro-Sunday scholars admit "this proves nothing" against that commandment just as your "argument from the void" of what the text does not say - does not support your own claims against God's Bible Sabbath - to the direct contradiction of God's own statement on the Genesis 2 matter found in Exodus 20:11.

5. Your fact 1 is a weak argument.

Wonderful for you then - perhaps you can finally show us just how your argument 'from the void' of what Genesis 2 does not say, can survive fact 1.

To say the opposite of not taking the Lord's name in vain would be a contradiction.

To argue that the command to not take God's name in vain - did not exist because the command was not written in Genesis is the same failed argument only-more-factual,,, than the wild speculation that God is wrong in Exodus 20:11 about the Sabbath starting in Genesis 2 for mankind, and insisting He is wrong because all of Exodus 20:8-11 is not also repeated in Genesis 2.

Even though we all know that the unclean animal rule of Genesis 7 is not fully explained until Leviticus 11 -- yet it still existed in Genesis 7..

To say the sabbath was because of giving rest to man is not said or implied anywhere in Genesis 2:1-3.
It is specific to God resting from his work.

God never sanctifies or makes holy - merely to "obligate Himself" rather He points out in Exodus 20:11 that His Genesis 2 action - obligates mankind.

Christ admits it in Mark 2:27.

And your own pro-Sunday scholars admit to this same Bible fact.

Your argument does not survive this supposedly week point that God makes in Exodus 20:11 about Genesis 2. And the fact that "Do not take God's name in vain" is not mentioned at all in the entire book of Genesis, is a fact which proves "nothing against the command" being in full force in Genesis.

And we all know it.

It appears your argument has run aground on these simple Bible details ... no wonder your own pro-sunday scholars reject the wild speculation you are offering.

 

[Shibolet]

And the TEN commandments of Exodus 20 are most certainly part of the Law of God.

Thus "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23 not "just Jews".

Thus in Isaiah 56:1-8 it is GENTILES that are specifically blessed for Sabbath keeping.

Thus in Mark 7:6-13 Christ flat out condemns the efforts of some religionists in His day to tweek/bend/edit one of the TEN Commandments.

True - but there is no blessing at all on Gentiles for breaking God's Ten commandments... not even for breaking the Sabbath "as it is stated in the actual Bible" - Tanakh

Agreed that the Decalogue is part of God's Law but, to say that "all Mankind"
shall come before the Lord to worship Him is totally impossible. The reference must be to all those who belong to God's People, Israel, Judah and Gentiles who have chosen to join. (Isaiah 56:1-8)

Paul is the one who should have been condemned for releasing himself from the whole God's Law in the Decalogue and for teaching that the Law had its end with the death of Jesus. (Romans 7:6,7; 10:4) Not true that there is no blessing on Gentiles who have decided to join God's Covenant with His People. Read Isaiah 56:1-8.

 

[Dave-W]

Well no text in all of the Bible says that Gentiles are to keep the Sabbath to make "Jews jealous" certainly not Romans 11 and not Isaiah 56:1-8 and not Isaiah 66:23 saying that in the NEW Earth all mankind comes before God to worship "From Sabbath to Sabbath"

Rom 11.11 says why SALVATION came to Gentiles. If you are not saved, does it matter if you keep the Sabbath or not?

God exists outside of time and sees it all together. So anything from Isaiah on this subject can be looked at as a result of Rom 11.11.