Is microchipping the start of the Mark of the Beast?

[smurfy2day]

I certainly think it's a start.

 

What about you?

 

[wildernesse]

Why don't you think that retina and hand scanning measures are the start--and what are the Scriptures you are referring to when you talk about the Mark of the Beast? It helps if everyone knows exactly what you're talking about--in specifics.

--tibac

 

[Sky]

No, I don't think that microchipping is the mark of the beast, even though the motb will probably be a microchip

 

[smurfy2day]

Well, I believe that personal information (personal id # ie. 666) can all be stored on a computer chip, and that that will be used to insert into the right hand or forehead of a follower of the antichrist.

 

[ifriit]

Heh, microchipping someone's forehead?

The only reason putting a mark of any sort on the forehead, chip or other, would be for visual recognition. Microchips could just as easily and cheaply be planted in someone's thigh and use radio waves for communication. If the mark could indeed be on the forehead, it seems probable that the only information it could convey is that it's the mark of the beast. Worry about tats before chips, heh.

Of course, I think it's all rubbish, but I'd still prefer it if people didn't work themselves into a paranoid tizzy...

 

[Smilin]

You're kidding right?

Define exactly what you mean by 'microchipping'

As far as accessing personal information, the only requirement is knowing one's Social Security Number. Is your SSN the mark of the beast? <chuckling>

Shoot,
I don't even need that. For those persistant enough, you can find out virtually anything about anybody in the United States through the use of certain Internet sites. So...is the Internet the mark of the beast <chuckles>

Thanks for the humor.
Smilin

 

[smurfy2day]

Originally posted by Smilin
You're kidding right?

Define exactly what you mean by 'microchipping'

As far as accessing personal information, the only requirement is knowing one's Social Security Number. Is your SSN the mark of the beast? <CHUCKLING>

Shoot,
I don't even need that. For those persistant enough, you can find out virtually anything about anybody in the United States through the use of certain Internet sites. So...is the Internet the mark of the beast <CHUCKLES>

Thanks for the humor.
Smilin

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You know, I really don't find any of what I said to be humorous. I believe that within the next 5-10 years they are going to start chipping people the way they do dogs and cats.... they are already doing it for medical reasons, why not for id purposes? (ie. everyone will have a choice to accept it or not)

A SSN is the start of the MOTB just as microchipping, I believe, is. Do I think the Internet is the MOTB? No, but I CERTAINLY believe it will play an important part in end times prophecy. Think of not only the information available online, but of what you can buy/sell/trade, etc, and you have to have certain id to be able to do so.... hmmmm.....

 

[Soul_Searcher]

The microchips that can be inserted into people's hands (or other body parts) is just another intrusion and peeling away of the layers of our liberties. It is just the same as requiring information to be put on the magnetic strip on driver's licenses.

Some may refer to these things as the 'mark of the beast,' but be clear about what or who the beast is. Whether you read "Revelation" or "Daniel" or "Isaiah" or any of the apocolyptic prophecies you should notice the consistencies and see the parallels with today. You can add Islamic prophecy to these, or even "1984" by George Orwell. It's all about control of the masses, and the masses finally saying "enough!"

The 'New World Order' and the rest of the 'elite' groups (different names, same umbrella) that produce policy and control and direct events and leaders want to keep us divided and squabbling and killing each other. And we feed right into it all, giving up control in the name of 'security' and freedom.

If you take the beasts and serpents out of "Revelation" and just look at the patterns of events and relate them to what is happening in the world today, it is very very scary. As Pogo once said, "We have met the enemy, and he is us."

 

[coastie]

I don't know if you are aware of this but people are already being microchipped.

Just recently certain progressive medical care companies have made microchip insertion an option for alzheimers patients' guardians.

Nobody's chipping my grandpa like some dog.

Speaking of which, has my dog just taken the mark of the beast?... well I guess she hasn't since the chip is between her shoulder blades .

The insertion proccess is amazing, there is almost no blood at all, and the chip is so thin that it's practically invisible under the skin.

The practicality of the chip as the MotB seems to merit your concerns.

 

[strathyboy]

Personally, I'm having trouble seeing what exactly microchip identification has to do with my being Christian or not, or following Jesus or the antichrist, or anything like that. If the chip changed me from a Christian to a non-Christian, then I could see how you could view it as the mark of the beast. But if it simple economic convenience (ie. you don't even need your debit card, just be near the bank machine and your chip allows you to get money), how does this in any way make those who use it any less Christian?
Even if the chip allows it's users to be identified and/or tracked by it, how does this in any way make them Christian or not Christian?

 

[coastie]

Strathy---

I don't think that it's an issue of whether or not you are a christian... I only eluded to that and my dog as an attempt at humor. However, I see that it is a perfectly viable precursor to the MotB.

And the Bible is quite clear about the consequences of taking the mark.

I see your point of view, but be aware of what the bible says about those who take the mark. I am not going to risk it.

Zach

 

[Gerry]

I can see by the flow of this thread and the direction it is taking, the teachings of the Word of God are being overlooked entirely.

The Bible requires more than a casual glance here or there on a specific ocassion, where one looks up a verse to prove or disprove a point. That is why we are told to STUDY to show ourselves approved.

The mark of the beast is a serious thing and not to be taken or discussed lightly.

 

[Havoc]

"New World Order"

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[coastie]

I can see by the flow of this thread and the direction it is taking, the teachings of the Word of God are being overlooked entirely.

Is there more to this or is your ambiguity intentional?

The Bible requires more than a casual glance here or there on a specific ocassion, where one looks up a verse to prove or disprove a point. That is why we are told to STUDY to show ourselves approved.

What are trying to do, stop the conversation?

I really hope this hasn't been directed at me because it really isn't like you to step on my toes. I have given this much more than a casual glance.

Nobody is neccessarily arguing, we are discussing the possibility that the MotB can evolve from the deceptively mundane practice of inserted microcips.

 

[strathyboy]

Originally posted by coastie

I see your point of view, but be aware of what the bible says about those who take the mark. I am not going to risk it.

I always received the impression that the mark would be indicative of who you followed. If you followed so and so, then you have the mark, not the other way around. So a chip that has nothing to do with religion, or personality, or anything else about the person seems to be completely different from "the mark", especially when there is no big bad anti-Christ (to my knowledge) or evil corporation or evil nation that would in any way profit by having people identify themselves with this chip.
But these are the kind of difficulties we always see when we try to apply an ambiguous description or prophecy to events occurring now.

 

[coastie]

I can't disagree with that.

 

[g_1933]

I think this technology could certainly lead to what will be the mark of the beast. The actual mark will not be realised until the Tribulation so I most likely will never see it.

Strathyboy, these chips have nothing at all to do with whether or not anyone is a Christain. Only your relationship with Jesus determines that. So in answer to:

Even if the chip allows it's users to be identified and/or tracked by it, how does this in any way make them Christian or not Christian?

it does not.

 

[Smilin]

If implanting microchips were to be the mark of the beast...then who would be the anti-christ?

I don't follow the logic, reasoning, or biblical documentation