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Or maybe it just makes a stinky mess?Nocturnal emission was considerd to make a man unclean (Deut 23:10). One needs to read the context to try to determine why it was considered unclean. I think it was because the seed of a man was for one purpose only, ie sex with a wife. Many OT laws were symbolic of spiritual truths in the NT, especially the animal sacrifices.
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Nocturnal emission was considerd to make a man unclean (Deut 23:10). One needs to read the context to try to determine why it was considered unclean. I think it was because the seed of a man was for one purpose only, ie sex with a wife. Many OT laws were symbolic of spiritual truths in the NT, especially the animal sacrifices.
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And others of us don't share that opinion.Masturbation, while trying to serve and obey God is "dangerous" it can quickly become an idol in your life, sexuality and sensuality taking over your soul becoming your god, and drawing you away from the true God...
Just my opinion,
God Bless!
I don't see how it increases lust. It's a form of release that makes the lust go away (for a time). If you think that the act of releasing in and of itself is sinful, as the Catholic Church does, then I understand, but I don't see how masturbation adds to the problem if the desire is the issue.
Saying masturbation causes someone to lust more is like saying eating causes you to be more hungry.
You're sating a hunger when you eat and when you touch. Afterward, that hunger goes away for a while. If you don't eat for a while, you will start to feel irritable and probably have some pain in your stomach. For many people, not sating their sexual hunger for a while can cause physical discomfort and irritability. Sate the hunger, and that will go away until your body cycles and needs something again.
Yes, but again, I don't know that this is caused by allowing that release to happen on occasion. It's just a natural urge.And the mind will continue to want more of that release, not less (however, females may be different from males in that respect).
Are those mutually exclusive? It sounds like you're saying that it's wrong just because it's a bodily desire, which doesn't make any sense. Is a soothing bubble bath a sin?If the act of "releasing" is a decision made in servitude to the body's desires--rather than a decision made to serve God--then it is a sin.
Yes, but again, I don't know that this is caused by allowing that release to happen on occasion. It's just a natural urge.
Are those mutually exclusive? It sounds like you're saying that it's wrong just because it's a bodily desire, which doesn't make any sense. Is a soothing bubble bath a sin?
I wouldn't have asked the question if I thought that what you said answered it. The words "in servitude" don't really change anything. You're still just satisfying a bodily urge. I wouldn't call that idolatry. But if you mean to say that people should just take this statement as they will, then I understand.I'll repeat what I said:
I wouldn't have asked the question if I thought that what you said answered it. The words "in servitude" don't really change anything. You're still just satisfying a bodily urge. I wouldn't call that idolatry. But if you mean to say that people should just take this statement as they will, then I understand.
I realize that I'm not going to agree with you theologically. I'm only debating the logic.Well, you don't claim to be Christian, so I'm not really going to debate you about "sin," particularly with regard to sin for Christians.
Ok, that's what I was looking for. If it's not the act that is inherently wrong, then that makes more sense. If you're only saying that it can lead to serving one's body and not God, then I understand.But for a Christian, placing oneself in servitude to the flesh is sin. It's not a question of any particular act, because righteousness or unrighteousness is not inherent in particular acts. The entire issue is a matter of who or what influences your decisions.
I'll repeat what I said:
If the act of "releasing" is a decision made in servitude to the body's desires--rather than a decision made to serve God--then it is a sin.
Well, you don't claim to be Christian, so I'm not really going to debate you about "sin," particularly with regard to sin for Christians.
But for a Christian, placing oneself in servitude to the flesh is sin. It's not a question of any particular act, because righteousness or unrighteousness is not inherent in particular acts. The entire issue is a matter of who or what influences your decisions.
I advise you to stop making up sins.
So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?
"Unclean" in the OT has a spiritual application.
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But my real question is, is it a sin if you do it and not look at porn. Because I do touch but I don't don't look at other women.
Oh, of course, it has a teaching component for us all.
But the fact that something was ritually unclean does not make that thing a sin.
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