Is mastrobation acceptable?

[arunma]

May I ask why you think donating sperm is a bad idea? (not trying to hijack the thread, but I'm just wondering). Especially since it gives people the chance to possibly have a child.

The problem with sperm donation is that doners have many children with whom they'll never meet or build any sort of meaningful relationship. I'm not sure I'd call this a sin, per se. But I don't think it's a good idea.

Buh??

If they're not actually committing it, what's the problem?

And what if the person's not married? It isn't adultery then.

Even though a lustful person isn't committing adultry, he's enjoying the sin in his mind. God judges our thought lives as well as our physical lives, which is why he considers this sin.

As for marriage, Christians consider any premarital sex to be the equivalent of adultry.

 

[WhatIsTruth]

So if you had things your way, you would not allow sperm donation because "people will have many children with whom they will not build a personal relationship with"...therefore denying people who are unable to have kids for some reason the ability to have a child that is at least partially theirs.

It sounds more "sinful" to deprive people of that opportunity.

As for people who have premarital sex commiting adultery, that's A. the stupidist thing I have ever heard as adultry requires either marriage or a serious commited relationship. I mean really...when I had sex for the first time I was in a relationship...I didn't commit adultery... What when me and my husband had premarital sex DURING OUR ENGAGEMENTwhere we commiting adultery to? Can you please explain how that is adultery because it makes my head hurt for the lack of reason.

 

[Arthra]

Most all religions are opposed to pornography and masturbation... The two are not necessarily related and are very general topics.

Pornography exploits people and deteriorates morality in society. There's an entire industry that enriches pornographers as you can readily see from the internet and other media... Children and young women or men should not be exploited.

Crimes are sometimes related to pornography.

Standards of morality in society should be maintained.

 

[sidhe]

My religion has no opinion on mastrobation. It similarly has no opinion on masturbation, but it does encourage one to follow one's own will and reach their own conclusion. My own conclusion is that it's fine...as long as you don't let it control you. Same with porn.

To quote some comedian, who's name I forget, "Masturbation is sex with someone you love."

Porn...that's an issue I could discuss for a long time, namely because I've talked to some people in the sex industry and most of them are more well-adjusted and happy than the average Joe Schmoe I've met on the street. Those that aren't more well-adjusted are equally as well-adjusted, and aren't happy because of common problems (relationship issues, money problems, etc.). Porn only degrades the people in it if you, the viewer, degrade the actors, participants, whatever. I respect anyone who has the confidence to do porn, so I certainly don't degrade the people in it. Thus, to me, porn isn't degrading.

 

[benmaarof]

There are Jews in the world, there are Buddhists
There are Hindus, and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed but
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic
And have been since before I were born
And the one thing they say about Catholics is
They'll take you as soon as you're warm

You don't have to be a six footer
You don't have to have a great brain
You don't have to have any clothes on
You're a Catholic the moment Dad came
Because

Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is great
If a sperm is wasted
God gets quite irate

Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is great
If a sperm is wasted
God gets quite irate

Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground
God shall make them pay
For each sperm that can't be found

Every sperm is wanted
Every sperm is good
Every sperm is needed
In your neighborhood

Hindu, Taoist, Mormon
Spill theirs just anywhere
But God loves those who treat their
sperm with more care

Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is great
If a sperm is wasted
God gets quite irate

Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is good
Every sperm is needed
In your neighborhood

Every sperm is useful
Every sperm is fine
God needs everybody's
Mine, and mine, and mine

Let the pagans spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill and plain
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain

Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is good
Every sperm is needed
In your neighborhood

Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is great
If a sperm is wasted
God gets quite irate

-Monty Python

 

[Arthra]

Seems we have some Thelemites here...the "do what ever you will" ethic doesn't seem to me to build civilizations or improve spelling.

 

[Cerridwen]

I agree about porn not being degrading-if anything, it can be empowering for some people, especially women, because they have the confidence to embrace their sexuality.

A note on Thelema-"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of The Law…Love is The Law, Love under Will", not "do whatever you will".

As for spelling, well, I've seen some of the most atrocious spelling & grammar on this board...& guess who the majority of it comes from? *hint: not the Thelemites.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

 

[Cassiopeia]

I am having a hard time taking this thread seriously as first it is masturbation not mastrobation.

and secondly a quip from the movie legally blonde comes to mind
"an sperm emissions from maturbatory actions would have to be deemed reckless abandonment."

 

[arunma]

So if you had things your way, you would not allow sperm donation because "people will have many children with whom they will not build a personal relationship with"...therefore denying people who are unable to have kids for some reason the ability to have a child that is at least partially theirs.

It sounds more "sinful" to deprive people of that opportunity.

As for people who have premarital sex commiting adultery, that's A. the stupidist thing I have ever heard as adultry requires either marriage or a serious commited relationship. I mean really...when I had sex for the first time I was in a relationship...I didn't commit adultery... What when me and my husband had premarital sex DURING OUR ENGAGEMENTwhere we commiting adultery to? Can you please explain how that is adultery because it makes my head hurt for the lack of reason.

I didn't say I am absolutely opposed to sperm donation. I just said that I wouldn't do this, and that I don't think it's a good idea.

Now as to premarital sex, you seem to be offended. Obviously, you must have had premarital sex. All I can do is tell you what Christianity says on the issue. If you think that it's the "stupidest thing [you] have ever heard," then I'm sorry that Christianity offends you. But this is the traditional Christian position on the issue, and we can't simply change our moral stance to fit your lifestyle.

To answer your question, yes I do think it is sinful for you to have had sex outside of marriage. But if you're not a Christian, then why does that bother you?

 

[jlujan69]

Was your "clarification" really necessary? Or are you just trying to incite another argument entirely about what kind of relationhsip is morally exceptable?

Well, the OP did ask about these issues "according our religion."

 

[Cerridwen]

LOL Casi!

Arunma, by definition,
adul•tery \€-"d€l-t(€-)rÈ\ n, pl -ter•ies : sexual unfaithfulness of a married person — adul•ter•er \-t€r-€r\ n — adul•ter•ess \-t(€-)r€s\ n — adul•ter•ous \-t(€-)r€s\ adj

(c)2000 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved.

By definition of the word, it is impossible for one to commit adultery when one is not married. Therefore, premarital sex is not adultery. How is WhatIsTruth & her fiance having monogamous sex prior to becoming married any different than it is for them to have monogamous sex after becoming married? They were in a commited relationship before & immediately following their marriage. I'm sorry, but a little piece of paper (i.e. a marriage license) doesn't make sex between two people who love each other any more special.

It annoys me that so many anti-masturbation Christians equate self pleasure to lust. Lust is not at all necessary for masturbation. For some people, fantasies intensify the experience, but they are not required by any means. Sexual desire is as innate in humans as hunger or thirst. Our bodies need the release from sexual tension. It has nothing to do with lust or morality. Granted there are certain conditions that should be taken into consideration, & exceptions to every rule, but chronic masturbation isn't typically a problem after adolescence.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

 

[jlujan69]

Some people donate sperm at sperm banks for money. Wouldn't that be unlustful masturbation? Should that be masturbation for money?

On that, I've heard that the potential donors are given (nearly) whatever means necessary --magazines, videos, et al--to elicit the proper response from them.

 

[arunma]

By definition of the word, it is impossible for one to commit adultery when one is not married.

Sorry, but the definition of adultry is irrelevant, because I only said that pre-marital sex is the equivalent of adultry. In other words: it is also a sin.

How is WhatIsTruth & her fiance having monogamous sex prior to becoming married any different than it is for them to have monogamous sex after becoming married? They were in a commited relationship before & immediately following their marriage.

The point of waiting until marriage is so that a husband and wife can communicate with each other on asexual terms. The marriage itself is merely a ceremony. While sex is an important part of marriage, God doesn't want marriage to focus exclusively on sex.

I'm sorry, but a little piece of paper (i.e. a marriage license) doesn't make sex between two people who love each other any more special.

I didn't say the paper did matter. In fact, a marriage license is secular; it is not an institution of God.

It annoys me that so many anti-masturbation Christians equate self pleasure to lust. Lust is not at all necessary for masturbation. For some people, fantasies intensify the experience, but they are not required by any means. Sexual desire is as innate in humans as hunger or thirst. Our bodies need the release from sexual tension. It has nothing to do with lust or morality. Granted there are certain conditions that should be taken into consideration, & exceptions to every rule, but chronic masturbation isn't typically a problem after adolescence.

Do you really believe that masturbation is possible without lust? In any case, I'm not telling you not to touch. I'm telling you what Christianity's position is on the issue.

 

[wvernon]

What if one is not thinking about any real person, but has invented an imaginary person to fantasize about? You can't commit 'adultery in the heart' with someone who doesn't exist, can you...?

Not that I know of but how long is it before you start to fantasize about real people...

 

[Cassiopeia]

I think the word here that people are looking for is that premarital sex is called "fornication". And last time I checked masturbating did not involve another person. um..wait...okay NEVERMIND

 

[tdcharles]

Sexual activity is meant only for husband and wife. Any sexual activity outside marriage is sinful, this includes masturbation. The issue is not necessarily about lust regarding masturbation, it's about misusing God's creation.

Let's say your parents gave you $100 for your birthday, they want you to spend it on living expenses. Would you spend that money on drugs in good conscience? Wouldn't your parents be angry if they found out that is what you spent it on? Only masturbation is more serious, the human body is one of the most prescious things God has given you, to abuse it is sinful.

 

[sidhe]

Seems we have some Thelemites here...the "do what ever you will" ethic doesn't seem to me to build civilizations or improve spelling.

First of all as already stated the ethic is "do what thou wilt be the whole of the law, love is the law". Not "do what ever you will." Try to get it right next time you want to insult people.

Secondly we've only been around for 50-100 years....give us some time.

Lastly, I was making a small joke about the spelling error of "mastrobation" in the OP. I thought it was funny. Humor is an important part of life, you know...try and remember that.

However...since "mastrobation" is apparently a very serious subject, let's get back on topic.

 

[little_lily613]

Masturbation and porn are forbidden in Judaism. The Torah tells that a man is specifically forbidden from masturbation because it is forbidden for him to "spill his seed". Women are also discouraged because it generally involves impure thoughts. Porn would not be allowed because, along with generating impure thoughts, it also breaks the laws of tznius (modesty). I will also point out that Judaism is not uptight about sex. We don't see it as something shameful or "icky". Sex is sacred and a very holy act. However, the act is to be a private one among a married man and woman only.

 

[WhatIsTruth]

Seems we have some Thelemites here...the "do what ever you will" ethic doesn't seem to me to build civilizations or improve spelling.

Well being I guess being Baha'i hasn't improved your ability to take a joke. (if you had actually read the OP and its title CAREFULLY the joke would be obvious)

Also I guess being Baha'i also has made you intolerant of other philosophies in general (except your own of course) especially Thelema. Maybe you should improve that. Since from what I've read of Baha'i aren't you supposed to be accepting?

And if you are going to attack that philosophy. Please try to get it right. It is "do what thou wilt be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will. There is no law but do what thou wilt"

Gee I don't see "do what ever you will" in there...hmmm

 

[WhatIsTruth]

Well, the OP did ask about these issues "according our religion."

Um..did you even read the question in the OP? The OP asked whether masturbation (or mastrobation) and porn where exceptable in our different religions.

Gee I don't see anything mentioned in there about homosexual vs. heterosexual.

You conservatives gotta plug that in whenever you can don't you?