Is masterbating considered a sin?

[David Pratt]

Yes it does.

Why aren't angels having sex?

Is part of the reason because He consider it unclean?


1 Corinthians Chapter 15

50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.


Paul explained it is better to stay a virgin and focus on God but if you cannot contain, then marry. The optimal goal is to focus on Him but getting married & having kids is a definelty a good thing.


Having sex with you wife voids certain understanable issues but if you're performing solo, even while thinking of you wife, might be viewed as a waste seed & a unclean transaction with no spiritual gain from it.

 

[Boidae]

Yes it does.

Why aren't angels having sex?

Is part of the reason because He consider it unclean?[\quote]


You're going to have to ask God those questions because why Angels don't have sex is not addressed in the Bible, nor can you extrapolate the reason from the Bible.

God does not consider sex unclean. You're reaching for straws in order to justify your position against masturbation.

Having sex with you wife voids certain understanable issues but if you're performing solo, even while thinking of you wife, might be viewed as a waste seed & a unclean transaction with no spiritual gain from it.[\quote]

This just seems like your opinion and not based on anything factual, specifically the part after having sex with your wife.

Masturbation is not mentioned in the Bible at all. The act itself isn't sinful, it's the thoughts that can accompany it that make it sinful. Thinking of only one's wife while masturbating keeps it out of the sin realm, because there is no adultery involved in one's mind with thoughts of his/her own spouse.

 

[Lillen]

I believe it is mentioned in leviticus as something causeing you to be unclean until evening. Moreover Revelation reads about 144 000 that hasn't defiled themselves with women.

Sex after marrige is more of a tradition like funerals. It isn't spoken of in the bible more then havinga discharge or a man emitting will cause him to be unclean until evening (if i read right).

Onan was mentioned in genesis to be emitting on the ground. This is the passage many churches use to prohabit masturbation.

New King James Version (NKJV)

7 But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord, and the Lord killed him. 8 And Judah said to Onan, “Go in to your brother’s wife and marry her, and raise up an heir to your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the heir would not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in to his brother’s wife, that he emitted on the ground, lest he should give an heir to his brother.

In other sources it says that "...he dropped his seed on the ground". What that means is ambigeous. So it is hard to tell.

Out of my own experiences, masturbation causes uncleaness, an uncleaness that is there until evening. It is something that make me feel unclean and is therefore not something I do. I try to avoid it!

 

[David Pratt]

To Boidae

[God does not consider sex unclean. You're reaching for straws in order to justify your position against masturbation.]


Leviticus Chapter 15

16. And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.

17. And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even.

18. The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.

 

[Boidae]

To Boidae

[God does not consider sex unclean. You're reaching for straws in order to justify your position against masturbation.]


Leviticus Chapter 15

16. And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.

17. And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even.

18. The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.

Then I stand corrected.

Still, OT laws such as these do not apply to Christians.

It still remains that masturbation itself is not sin, but the thoughts that can accompany it where it can be lead into sin.

 

[Lillen]

I don't use your translation, basically because I do not adress seed as symen. Seed always means grain of some sort (barley, wheat, etc, etc), or offspring in my vocaublary. I think you are using a bad translation.

 

[Lillen]

I'd say that all laws apply to born again christian. Remeber we have the law written in our hearts! Moreover Jesus didn't come to abolish the law, rather to fulfill. Some laws was actually sharpened by Jesus as he adressed it to be sin to even look at a married woman with lust.

Some laws seem ackward to us, but is there as a tutor. I remeber when I shaved the front of my head for a dead. At a fast look it doesn't seem to be a law that you should bother about. But after breaking that law, you will see that it was there for our own good. Shaving the front of your head for a dead causes forbidden greif, or a possessed grief making you target for forces of wickedness! It is adressed as forbidden mourning sign! A mourning sign that foreign powers use!

I remeber my freind boasting about having sex with his girlfreind while she was in her period. There is a reason why the law was given, and is there for our own good. I'd say it is gross, and moreover causes possessed love. He became possessed by his girlfreind. Many of these laws reveal what foreign powers do to emprisson people in slavery. Slavery bonds that are not allowed according to the law of moses, because it causes you to be slave under foreign authorities, the wicked host in the heavenlies.

I'd say the mentioned laws is there to show us how to be clean. Now in my experience I'd say that masturbation makes a person unclean. Uncleaness that can be visible during teens as acne. And it's stimulated by using foul words, ugly or dirty words!! Sometimes it is stimulated by not being aware or be beware of women, a trap that actually according to Proverbs can kill you. To most men it is not good to be lonely, and my prayers to them is that God will form a helper comparable with them. Sometimes masturbation can be a sign that you simply are lonely, this teenage desire to have all the woman, or be in favor with all the women! A feeling that most young man have, a feeling that goes away eventually, when you have been taught to know the woman and know that she was made for you rather then you for her! Nevertheless touching yourself makes you unclean in my experience!

I'd say in my experience I have a trubble sleeping if the bed isn't washed or renewed when it is unclean using the defintion of uncleaness from Leviticus you had.

 

[Boidae]

I'd say that all laws apply to born again christian. Remeber we have the law written in our hearts! Moreover Jesus didn't come to abolish the law, rather to fulfill. Some laws was actually sharpened by Jesus as he adressed it to be sin to even look at a married woman with lust.

You'd say that, but I do not.


Yes, he did sharpen some of them as addressed at the Sermon on the Mount, but the OT laws do not apply to born again Christians. We are not under the Law anymore.

Otherwise, there are many things that you are doing right now that are in opposition to those laws.

 

[Boidae]

Now, if you both will excuse me I would like to play some Star Wars The Old Republic Online before I head to work.

 

[revrobor]

"New King James Version (NKJV)

7 But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord, and the Lord killed him. 8 And Judah said to Onan, “Go in to your brother’s wife and marry her, and raise up an heir to your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the heir would not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in to his brother’s wife, that he emitted on the ground, lest he should give an heir to his brother."

Onan was killed for his disobedience. Those who attempt to use these verses to make masturbation a sin are mistaken. They have nothing to do with masturbation.

 

[Lillen]

I am aware of that notion, and I have noted it. Sometimes I agree. Othertimes I have sympathy for the used passage prohibition of masturbations. It is really a dubble sentence. A verse that can intpreted many diffrent ways. In an old copy of the swedish bible they used the phrase "But onan spilled his seed on the ground". And because I do not ever associate seed with symen I also have another view then the common. But in my experience it do make me unclean. It makes me feel unclean to touch and that is the reason why I don't do it! Moreover I have trubble sleeping in my bed if the bed is unclean and unwashed !

 

[Lillen]

You can use the notion that we don't live under the law. But that doesn't give us reason to transgress it. Remeber Jesus words "Love the Lord with all your heart, all your soul and all your strength" And "love your naibour as youself". This was Jesus summon of the law. Even though i agree the law cannot save us from transgressing it, it must be taken to notion that "For what the law couldn't do that it was weak through the flesh, God did, by sending his son in the likeness of a sinful flesh on account of sin - He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the spirit"

 

[David Pratt]

To Bodai

[Still, OT laws such as these do not apply to Christians.]


True but some Christians might be "confused" about love so the O.T. helps us to understand that not all "love" is legit.

Deuteronomy Chapter 27

20. Cursed [be] he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.

22. Cursed [be] he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.

23. Cursed [be] he that lieth with his mother in law. And all the people shall say, Amen.



[It still remains that masturbation itself is not sin, but the thoughts that can accompany it where it can be lead into sin.]


Can you imagine the Prince of Peace sending the Comforter to someone that is currently masturbating…whether he is visualizing a stranger or his wife? From my understanding of the Bible, “No way”.

Using the bathroom is mandatory. The process & result is uncleanness but it cannot be helped. Masturbating is a pure choice of uncleanness… & unnecessary uncleanness.

Nothing “fruitful” can come from this. I also doubt most husbands, especially after being married for years, will visualize their wives while they touch.

 

[Lillen]

No! these Laws should be obeyed.

 

[Lillen]

How would you adress lawlessness? All laws are there to be fully obeyed by christians. For we preach Jesus Christ death and ressurection on the third day in agreement with the scriptures "...That the righteous requirement of the Law should be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the spirit"

 

[David Pratt]

To Lillen

[Moreover Jesus didn't come to abolish the law, rather to fulfill.]

Matthew Chapter 5

17. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


[The death penalty & animal sacrifices are still banned.]



1. [Shaving the front of your head for a dead causes forbidden grief, or a possessed grief making you target for forces of wickedness!]

2. [I remember my friend boasting about having sex with his girlfriend while she was in her period.]

Talking about those two examples would derail my point. Perhaps you can start new threads on those examples. However, I did converse with a Baptist-Turned-Satanist last year. He explained that example 2 was/is primarily done to separate themselves with the Lord Jesus Christ & is a major component to initiate sex-magic. For the record, I did cut him off after I received the intel & he refused to change his abominable ways.



[Uncleanness that can be visible during teens as acne. And it's stimulated by using foul words, ugly or dirty words!! Sometimes it is stimulated by not being aware or be beware of women, a trap that actually according to Proverbs can kill you.]

Perhaps… for some people… but as rotten as world has become, 90% of the planet’s populous should be walking around like Quasimodo.


[To most men it is not good to be lonely, and my prayers to them is that God will form a helper comparable with them. ]

Amen to that. This is the very first advice the Lord our God gave to the sons of men.

Genesis Chapter 2

18. And the LORD God said, [it is] not good that man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

 

[Lillen]

I edited my former post before I saw you had adress it...

The messiah would abolish all the sacrifices, yes! But we don't make void of any law. We need to adress this in agreement with the rest of the scriptures. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of sacrificial laws by being an offering of himself. He is all the sacrificial law in one. So that when we need a trespass offering he fulfill that law by being the trespass offering himself. And when needing a guilt offering he is the guilt offering himself. The universial atonment for mans sins. He is the fulfillement of all sacrificial laws.

 

[ECBBLMSTR]

Matthew Chapter 2229. Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Will those who live in New Jerusalem be having sex based on the above scripture?

If not, then why not?

Luke's version of that statement gives us the reason:

Luk 20:34 And Jesus said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage,
Luk 20:35 but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage,
Luk 20:36 for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

There is no need for people who have resurrected bodies to reproduce, since they never die. This is why they don't marry, because they don't have children. They are the ones who inhabit the New Jerusalem and rule with Christ "over the nations". These nations will be an eventually endless number of people who enter the Millennium in their natural bodies; they never die and have sex into eternity, just like Adam and Eve would have if sin hadn't happened.

Sex was instituted by God before the fall of man and pronounced "very good". It isn't unclean. The rules of ceremonial (not moral) uncleanness regarding sperm and menstrual blood, not sex, was likely symbolic of the Sin nature being transferred by means of sex, "in sin did my mother conceive me."

 

[David Pratt]

To ECBBLMSTR

That was incredible of how you added to my point but also gave me wisdom in the process. Thanks.

 

[ECBBLMSTR]

53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
Paul explained it is better to stay a virgin and focus on God but if you cannot contain, then marry. The optimal goal is to focus on Him but getting married & having kids is a definelty a good thing.
Having sex with you wife voids certain understanable issues but if you're performing solo, even while thinking of you wife, might be viewed as a waste seed & a unclean transaction with no spiritual gain from it.

The text from 1 Corinthians about "corruption" and corruptible refers to the process of decay, mortality... not to moral corruption or uncleanness of the body. Neither the body, the senses or sex are unclean or corrupt.

Paul's exhortations to celibacy were based upon "the present distress" and "the time is short". He never suggested that celibacy was morally superior to marriage, only that it could make life more convenient in trying times, as well as give more time to devote to the Lord. He specifically commanded that we "Hold marriage in honor in every way" and that "forbidding to marry" is a "doctrine of demons".

There really is no such thing as a "wasting of seed", in my opinion.